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Old 10-22-2016, 10:47 PM
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Swedish hand forged axes. Refurbished vintage US axe heads. Axes in general.

Hatchets specifically.

I recently bought a place with a fireplace. Haven't had a fireplace since I was a kid. Haven't used an axe or a hatchet since I was a kid either, though did use an axe a lot in the winter in northern Virginia, as a kid, as one of my chores was keeping enough firewood on hand. (Still got a complete set of toes, too, thank goodness! )

I'll buy the firewood, as the new place is in a city, but I want a hatchet to make kindling. (I thought about batoning with a cane knife, but the hatchet seems more fun.)

I like nice, well made, hand tools. So I am thinking of dropping some bucks on a nice hatchet rather than just picking up something at the local hatdware store.

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I have two of these, one at deer camp that I've had for decades, and another at home that I've only had a few years. I like 'em as they are well made and balanced. Seem to hold an edge too.

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Mine are from Buck and by Gerber, actually made in Finland by Fiskars. I like the way the fiberglass (?) handles surround the heads, so they can't fly off and injure someone.


If I had the money, I'd try a Gransfors Bruks or similar Swedish hand-forged brand. If it was specifically for splitting firewood, I'd get more than a small hunter's carcass and survival hatchet.


I understand that the only difference between Fiskars and Gerber in what appear to be virtually identical models are just the name on them and handle colors. Fiskars is more marketed to consumer stores like those for homeowners and gardeners. Gerber costs a bit more, because the target market is hunters and campers, apt to spend a little more than others.


I expect that Guy-Harold will be along with good ideas and photos. He seems to be the main axe authority here, as well as a moderator.

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I have two of these, one at deer camp that I've had for decades, and another at home that I've only had a few years. I like 'em as they are well made and balanced. Seem to hold an edge too.

^^^^ This is my recommendation as well. I've used an Estwing for years around the camp fire.
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[QUOTE=Faulkner;139302931]I have two of these, one at deer camp that I've had for decades, and another at home that I've only had a few years. I like 'em as they are well made and balanced. Seem to hold an edge too.

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Having heated my house for 22 years with nothing but firewood, and the fact my front porch sits at an elevation of 9050', I have wrapped my hand around a fair number of axes and hatchets. I have several of these small hatches tucked away. I like them a lot as well as this brand of Hudson Bay hand axes. These are great for limbing and falling small trees but I do not care for them for kindling manufacture for 2 reasons. The weight is to slight and any knot or course grain stops the penetration. Next a good falling axe does not make a good kindling makers. The "cheek" of the bit is too narrow and it often sticks rather than splits. I use a riggers hatchet that was my father-in-laws and his father before him. It has a broad cheek that forces apart the wood and it has a 1 1/2# head for extra weight. My daughter use one of my Estwings like above and has fair luck with it. When I swing a hatchet I want kindling at every swing.
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I have a couple of the Easting hatchets in sizes up to a full length axe. the are well made and hold an edge!

But over the years, the hatchet and pole axe (or topping axe) I kept hidden from the teenaged boys were my Plumb brand!!! I bought a hatchet new in the mid 70's (just out of school) and the pole axe head I found at a yard sale and fit a new 24" handle to it.

A hatchet is 2 pounds, a single bit axe is 4 pounds and the pole axe is around 2 1/2 or 2 3/4 pounds.

A good kindling splitter is a 4 pound hand maul with a 18" handle. I also made one from a 6 pound maul, with a defective (crunched) handle, but I personally preferred the 4 pounder.

I heated solely with firewood for 36 years, but the condo doesn't even have a real fireplace. The nicest thing about a woodstove is; there is always a very warm and nice spot, no matter how cool the rest of the house is. The worst thing is the house was dusty from ash powder from late October through mid April.

My oldest son has a series of horizontal lines branded across his back and legs. These are from being the biggest and pushing all 3 of the other kids out of his way and taking the premium spot, then the other kids would push each other and somebody would "accidentally" fall into him. The brands are from then bumping into an almost red hot steel stove. When I bring this up at family gatherings, the only people that feel sorry for him are people that didn't grow up with him! I have a few permanent scars myself, from loading a very hot stove and touching the edge. You don't do that more than once a year!

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I finally retired my Boy Scout Plumb hatchet that is more than 50 years old as it needs a new handle. I bought a Fiskars at Lowes and found that the steel was soft, and had nicks and gouges in it after the first use. Never had that with the Plumb. I've bought and Estwing like above, but have not used it yet.
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Here's the basics. The more the weight is in the head rather than the handle the more effective a hatchet is. I've seen hatchet handles left out so much they got dry rot but never seen one that broke while being used. Unlike axes that are swung with two hands it is super easy to hit where you want with a hatchet so over swinging and striking the fire wood with the handle just does not happen. Steel and solid fiber glass handles distribute the weight more into the handle so they make you work harder for no offsetting benefit. Hatchets made buy cutting or stamping a piece of flat metal to form both the handle and head are so badly balance that I would not accept one as a gift.

Forged steel is stronger than cast steel so blades can be forged thinner than they can be cast. That was important for a falling axe or a hatchet that you are actually going to chop through something with. However, those jobs were taken over by the chainsaw a long time ago. Thick cast headed hatchets can be just fine for splitting. If you want it to hold a more knife like sharp edge a forged head is still better.

Out of my hatchet collection my favorites have a 2 1/4 pound head on a 17 inch wood handle. They were $25 in local stores but might be $35 now. One is a forged head House Axe and the other a cast head Sears Rig Builder. Rig Builder heads are supposed to be 1 3/4 pounds but had to be thickened when cast. I tried heavier hatchets but eventually left them aside and just grabbed the old 36" axe. My expensive fancy ones just proved spending too much on a hatchet does not only waste money, it gets you an inferior tool.

By the way, the Estwing hatchet Faulkner posted a picture of has been very common in stores for at least 50 years. I bought mine from a hardware store's going out of business sale on 1st Ave downtown Seattle for $7 in 1974. Rather than being clear coated they were painted a light blueish gray back then. A sky scrapper stands in that location now.
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K-22 Fan may have just seen an Estwing with a painted handle, but some of those blue-gray handles are rubber, which takes up much of the shock in chopping. Tru-Temper has used some rubber ones and I think Estwing has.


My experience with my Gerber hatchet was different than that described above for a Fiskars. I haven't had any burrs on the edge from chopping wood. But some production lots may be softer, or some woods may just cause more damage to the axe head. Maybe someone hit knots in the wood or old nails, etc. if they chipped or nicked a hatchet head. How the edge is honed also matters, the edge bevels.

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Have the same Estwing axe and have had it so long I forget where I bought it. Use a file to get a decent edge and a coarse stone to refine the edge. Use a cane knife on brush and small tree limbs, and with that thin steel and a decent edge will work almost like an axe. Quite a few years back someone was selling Chinese machetes. $5 each so got two. Neither could be sharpened with a file which suprised me. Had a cheap stone with one side coarse and the other fine. Each weighs about 3 pounds and let me tell you that these $5 machetes will take an edge with a stone that will shave the hair on your arm. Neither one has the same dimensions as the other so probably hand made or just banged out and handles slapped on. I hate dull tools especially axes or small ones. We had a red oak tree come down when hurricane Andrew came through here. Got most of it cut with an old homelite chainsaw. Main trunk was so tough an axe wouldn't even cut it and just dulled a freshly sharpened chain. Dragged it out away from where it fell and used to save my old motor oil and pour it on the oak. Took over two years before it was all burned away, tough stuff. Frank
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I'm sorry that I did not describe my old small Estwing more clearly. It has a leather washer handle just like the one pictured. The steel you see in Faulkner's picture is clear coated to keep it silver while on display in the store. In use the paint wears off the sides of the blade quickly, the steel losses its shine, then turns brown. Except for the butt cap, all the otherwise exposed steel on my old Estwing was pained blueish gray when new.

My newer larger Estwings all have blue hand grips and their exposed steel was originally clear coated. The Estwing Camp Axe I bought in the early 1980s has a blue nylon hand grip covering part of its tubular steel handle extension. The steel tube is painted blue on all the Camp Axes I've seen. The tube extends Estwing's larger hatchet into a Camp Axe. The rest of the exposed metal is bare and probably was clear coated when new. Estwing swictced from nylon to a softer rubbery material but stuck with blue for a color. More recently Estwing has used metallic blue paint instead of clear coat on some of their hatchets with rubber hand grips.

While steel handled hammers and hatchets are not my favorites Estwing does use good steel. They hold and edge well.
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I don't know if your heart is set on a hatchet but I saw a product called the kindling cutter the other day. I saw a video and I liked the way it worked, all you need is a hammer or even another piece of wood. It seemed very safe, especially since I haven't had to chop wood since I was a kid either. With my eyes being not as good as they were etc if I was making kindling I would try it, but no wood stoves in my future though. Hopefully this may help.
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Have not used this particular one - don't need no more axes - but I have had excellent experience with both Swedish steel and Swedish surplus.

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I bought me one of these at a surplus store, then cut of the pike.
Used it for splitting wood, heavy.. sturdy.. sharp.. and most of all
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K22 , made some interesting observations from what sounds like experience. I as well have a small collection of axes and hatchets. He stated that he never saw a hatchet used for kindling with a broken handle. He has never seen me chop. I have depth prospection problem. I haft several axes and hatchets a year for friends, but I do not know how they got broken. Other here praise the Estwing for their keen edge holding ability and I have found the opposite to be true with my 4 or 5. I find the steel soft but easy to sharpen. I also dislike the short handle for kindling. You just cant get any real swing with such a short handle. But if you are going to have a fire once a week anything will do. When you have a fire burning continually for 4 months it is another thing all together. For 22 years I cut all my own wood, about 4 cords a year. I still fall the occasional tree with a New Jersey pattern falling axe made by Bluegrass. When I was younger I used an old Sagar chemical axe to do my falling but it got too heavy for continual work. When I was escorting elk hunters I used a 2 1/2# Winchester axe with a 20" handle to do the quartering. Then I switched to the little Estwing's because they were lighter to carry. They will quarter an elk but it is slower, or maybe it is me getting slower. I have replaced it with an old Norlund Hudson Bay hatchet I bough at a yard sale. Neat little thing but has a short handle as well and all it has been used for is head lopping of 3 antelope. Sure a lot more work than my old Winchester.
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Look at wetterlings and Gransfor Bruks. Or Council Tool Council is still made in the USA.
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I've been using an old Plumb that's been handed down in the family. I started using it 43 years ago. I have 2 of these, one with a hardened head and the other with a softer head. The softer one I can hit with a file a few times and it's as sharp as a razor the other I have to use a stone to sharpen it.

I used them for everything from butchering small to large game to kindling, falling small trees, roofing, plumbing. There's a bunch of things a simple thing like a hatchet can do.

I've also got one of those Estwing's like Faulkner posted. This is the one my dad gave me when I was a little guy. I think he got it in Maine. I still have it and it works great. It's much lighter than my Plumbs. Every tool has it's place. The most important things is finding the tool and the place for it. Only experience can do that.

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If you visit yard sales / estate sales you will often find axe heads for give-away prices. Usually these are from the old days when they were actually made right. Then just buy a hardwood handle of the length you prefer.


I have three or four I got from yard sales. Plus a couple of old hatchets to boot.
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Was there a legal requirement to cut off the pike end?
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I have several old axes left from my father and grandfather but I mostly use my Estwing camp ax, and I use it a lot. They still make them here in the U.S.
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I have an old shingle hatchet. It has a larger blade face and some considerable heft.

Additionally, I collect hand mauls whenever we get into a back road area. Part of our trip is me going to the local hardware store to see if I can find one. They are excellent additions to a camping package like the one that lives in my truck. I also have an oven rack that I use to make my fire ring into a cooking surface.
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I bought a Gerber hatchet probably 15 years ago and use it all the time camping and hunting. I have yet to sharpen it, and I would recommend one to anyone who asked about a good hatchet.
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I finally retired my Boy Scout Plumb hatchet that is more than 50 years old as it needs a new handle. I bought a Fiskars at Lowes and found that the steel was soft, and had nicks and gouges in it after the first use. Never had that with the Plumb. I've bought and Estwing like above, but have not used it yet.

Still got my Plumb hatchet from the Boy Scouts, as well. I recall the day I bought it, in the late 1950s.

While a resident of Kentucky in the late 1970s, I was able to acquire Daniel Boone's axe, which I still own. It is in excellent condition, as the head has been replaced twice and the handle three times.
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I'm also a Viking so i got my party hatchet to.

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My older brother has the True Temper BSA axe our dad bought us 50 years ago. The rubber grip is still good and my brother keeps it in his truck. I liked the steel handle so when I saw an Estwing while looking for something else I picked one up to replace the fiberglass handled one I found in the road years back.


I looked at a few before I found the one with machining I liked, especially where the handle meets the shoulder and head and around the flat of the butt.


Finally got around to sharpening it today, first time ever with a brand new axe. Looked at it for a while, corrected the bevel at the toe but only went back 3/8 of an inch until I figure out how to get that nice crescent while keeping it concave. Plus I wanted a beer. Seems OK, can't shave with it but it cuts paper. I'll try it tomorrow when I shorten some areca palm trunks after I drop them with a chain saw.
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I understand Lizzie Borden had a pretty effective hatchet that she isn't using anymore. I don't know the brand.
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Was it the coconut hatchet?

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I found a Fiskar it doesn't impress me. My estwing hatchets aren't going anywhere. They are awesome.
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I counted eight vintage hatchets in various forms in my shop just now. There are some fine ones there.

But for kindling, you can't beat a hand maul.
I never knew I needed one till I saw this one at a yard sale years ago for a ridiculously low price. 12" handle.
Now that I have it, the pretty hatchets stay oiled up hanging on display.
It ain't pretty, but it FALLS through a block.
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Whatever you end up with, please be careful with it.

When I was in the Boy Scouts, a friend almost cut his hand off because he was improperly using a hatchet. The ironic part was some other Scouts were learning the proper way right next to him.

Keep it sharp. If his had been sharp it wouldn't have glanced off and hit his wrist.
Keep it in good working order. Don't let the handle get loose.
Treat it like a cutting tool. It's not a hammer, pry bar or kitchen knife. It's a hatchet.
If you want to throw it, get a throwing hatchet.
Keep it in a nice cover.
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I to only buy Estwing hammers and hatchets. I have my grandpa
Estwing hammer, he used it everyday in his work until his death
in 1953. My dad used it too, but not everyday, he gave it to me
and I use it every day. I have several of the Estwing tools with
the stacked leather handles. I have a California framer, lathe
hatchets, Mason's hatchets with the Blue cushion handles.
I got a piece of steel in my leg from hitting a Chinese axe with
a 3lb hammer, splitting stove wood. Axe sprawled off a sliver of
steel that flew like a bullet. I will not use any tools from any
country in the east. Down here in the hills it is common to see
good old brands of axes and hatches in yard sales. Most of the
time they need rehandled and cleaned up. There are a lot of
Post Axes, that were used in the coal mines. All them were good
American brands. They are excellent for splitting, they have a
heavy head and a 1/2 handle of normal axe.
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and gave her parents forty whacks? ("Lizzie Borden took an axe..."


This board is messed up a lot and the Quote function isn't working for me today.


Who knows about axeman Paul Bunyan? I bet most young people now never heard of those tales.
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Estwing calls their hand maul the Fire Side Friend. I have it and a wood handled one with a cast head shaped like a full size maul head. The latter was very inexpensive because its handle needed to tightened. This is a case of to each their own but I do not use them. That much weight deserves another 5" of handle.

Three to five(!) pound axe heads on 17" handles are sold by a local store that markets to loggers. Before the big logging companies quit using chain saws for falling trees they sold a lot of them to fallers who primarily used them as heavy hammers to pound in wedges.

Modern tree harvesting machines saw the tree off the stump, limb it, cut it to length and set it on the trailer. Paul Bunyan never dreamed it could be done so fast.

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The correct version is:
"Lizzie Borden took an axe, And gave her mother forty whacks,
When she saw what she had done, She gave her father forty-one."

I have always remembered it a bit different, from childhood, it was one of my Mom's favorites.
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My current favorite is a nice, new Stihl hatchet. The latest restoration was a Riverside Tool Co. hatchet that was manufactured around 1900.
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and gave her parents forty whacks? ("Lizzie Borden took an axe..."


This board is messed up a lot and the Quote function isn't working for me today.


Who knows about axeman Paul Bunyan? I bet most young people now never heard of those tales.
The version I remember was:
"Lizzie Borden took an axe,
And gave her father forty whacks.
When she saw what she had done,
She gave her mother forty one."

There was some indication her father was molesting her and her mother was complicit with him.
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I want one like Rick Grimes is using.
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I need to buy a hatchet, I've always gotten the basic jobs. But now I want a GOOD hatchet.
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I'm thinking a hatchet is a bit light for kindling. I prefer my Wetterlings limbing axe that has about a 2 pound head. It's also a good camp axe.
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Is that your 'barbeque hatchet' that you wear at your Lutefisk outings?

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My kindling hatchet is so old I have no idea where it came from. But I use it rarely since now I just buy cedar shakes in a pack from Home Depot. Lasts most of the season for $9.
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I had an Estwing hatchet maybe 50 years ago, when I was a little kid, loved it then, and I lost it somewhere in the woods. Never had another one. After reading all the comments here, and seeing pictures of Estwing hatchets, unchanged after all these years, I thought I needed to finally replace the one I lost, and so I picked one up at Home Depot today for $35. I feel like I have my old friend back Nicely made tool, made right here in the US!
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Will those with Estwing hatchets let us know if they "turn brown" after the clear coat wears off? One poster says that his did. I don't know if he kept it oiled.
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To answer Texas Star, I am not sure if rust is brown. I have an Estwing Hudson Bay axe that sleeps in my cross bed tool box on my mountain truck. Those boxes are not watertight. My axe has been rusted several times and it required a wire wheel on a grinder to shine it up again. It has stains on the bit and handle.
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I have an old Collins and don't even remember when I got it. A file won't touch it. Still has the original handle and canvas belt sheath. I don't think I've had to sharpen it more than four or five times in fifty plus years.
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I am a fan of the wetterlings little buddy hatchet.

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