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Old 10-23-2016, 04:07 PM
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Wife's been keeping tabs watching this owl for a couple years or more over the Net. Watching offspring hatch and all that. It really tore her up that someone shot and killed it with a pellet gun. I'm guessing probably a kid...

Dead owl rates pretty low on my list of things to get emotionally tore up over, but geeeesh... if ya got a kid wandering around with a pellet gun maybe remind him that not everything is a target.

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We had a little rabbit living under our back deck for a long time. One day My wife heard a screaming and looked to see a hawk carrying the little fellow away. I was given a direct order to see that hawk never did that act again. Afterwards the hawk returned again, just once!
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The hawk was being a hawk. It's what they do. I wouldn't have shot the hawk over it unless I was counting on that bunny for dinner someday.

I once saw a lady's yappy little purse dog running in circles at the park after growling and trying to bite little kids and yapping at just about everyone else. It stopped and sat down panting, because being a pain in the *** is hard work, and a big red tailed hawk swooped in and snatched it up. The lady cried, too. I just raised my Dos Equis and saluted the hawk.

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Killing Something that your Not Going to Eat or isn't a Danger or Nuisance
(or there is a General Useful Reason for Taking the Animal)
is just the Product of a Sick Mind
i.e. killing just for the killings sake

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My wife and I shoot at the Fort Bliss Rod & Gun Club every week that it is possible to do so with our schedule. For the last three years, we have closely observed a pair of hawks that are permanent residents. They always use the same nest year after year. They usually hatch two or three chicks each year but only one generally survives. The juvenile never stays with the parents once it learns to both fly and hunt. Every trip to the range the wife and I make a big deal out of locating the hawks, only occasionally outside of nesting season do we see both together at the same time.
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I could be wrong but I thought Birds of Prey are protected?
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Every Psyche Test i have ever taken Asks
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Heck guy... there are literally 10's of millions if not 100's of millions of people who sport hunt/trophy hunt or run a trap line each year... Many go just for the trophy/furs and there is nothing wrong with that... but just as many eat the meat, share it with family & friends or give it away. Although I have in the past, I do not like to eat the meat of omnivores or carnivores... there is a significant risk of disease & parasites from eating their meat... unless it is cooked extremely well done.

Although do to health reasons I cannot hunt or trap now... I refuse to condemn or criticize those that do... and the mentally ill folks of PETA/SPCA who wrote that question also condemn those who kill moles.. own pets, wear furs/leather & eat meat.
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By the way, it is a federal felony to intentionally injure/harm or kill a bird of prey owls, eagles, hawks, falcons... I've never heard of them waiving prosecution of anyone who does... if it happened after the law was enacted. Native Americans are allowed to do so & possess feathers & I believe other parts such as eagle wing bone whistles for religious purposes.. but anyone else is SOL if they do...my lady is Cherokee, she can, our daughter can & grand daughter can.. I cannot.
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...my wife would have been shaken too...she's an internet bird watcher...and Owls are a favorite...some Owls hatched in the eves of a building near where my wife works...we checked on them every evening last spring...our cat Sox is an internet bird watcher too...he watches the bird feeder cam at Cornell University every morning...my wife brings it up for him...he thinks he's looking out the window...the Owl nest from last spring below...

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there are several peregrine falcon nests that you can watch every year here in Missouri on Utube ... one in downtown KC & another on a power plant that I think is in the St. Louis area. Watching them or those owls is so engrossing.. they are majestic animals.
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In the late '60's, Dad and I were hunting with a fellow who was a bit inexperienced.

We were working along the edge of a cottonwood strip when a great horned owl flew out.

The fellow shot it.

After yelling at the fellow, Dad and I left the field and the fellow.

I later learned he had hitchhiked home: took him a very long time since we were hunting out of state.

Last time we hunted with the fellow.
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Absolutely no reason to plink an owl. No trophy or food there. If it was a kid, he needs a lesson.
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OK I forgot Trapping or Hunting for Fur etc
I should have Said if there is a USE for the Animal
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Although do to health reasons I cannot hunt or trap now... I refuse to condemn or criticize those that do... and the mentally ill folks of PETA/SPCA who wrote that question also condemn those who kill moles.. own pets, wear furs/leather & eat meat.
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By the way, it is a federal felony to intentionally injure/harm or kill a bird of prey owls, eagles, hawks, falcons... I've never heard of them waiving prosecution of anyone who does... if it happened after the law was enacted. Native Americans are allowed to do so & possess feathers & I believe other parts such as eagle wing bone whistles for religious purposes.. but anyone else is SOL if they do...my lady is Cherokee, she can, our daughter can & grand daughter can.. I cannot.
Owls fall under Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Every state I know of protects raptors.

A recent case in California involved intentionally shooting a condor. Guy got off on the ESA violation by claiming he thought it was a vulture (ESA says "intentionally)==oops! WRONG thing to say! They got him under Migratory Bird Treaty Act==still lost his gun and right to hunt (California is a "treaty state" state so his loss of hunting rights was for about 25 states).

Eagle parts must be turned in to Federal law enforcement (state will usually forward it); it goes to the Eagle Repository at Cheyenne Mountain. From there it is distributed (with a permit) to Native Americans, Museums, etc. from a waiting list.

I have a collector's permit enabling me to handle and transport injured or dead eagles because of my job as a senior Federal biologist. To interject a little humor: I had to drive to Lacey (3-4 hour drive) for a meeting. I left the night before and was told to drop a dead and frozen eagle off with Law Enforcement BEFORE 5 PM! I got delayed and was running late. Washington is one of the few states I have worked in that regularly issues tickets to Federals on duty. Of course, I got stopped for speeding.

Officer: "I stopped you for speeding. Was there a reason?"

Biologist: " You wouldn't believe me if I told you!"

Officer: " If you can tell me one I have never heard before, I'll let you go!"

Biologist: "I have a frozen bald eagle in the backseat that I need to get to LE in Lacey before it thaws and they close at 5 PM! You can look in the ice chest in the back seat if you like."

Officer (after looking): "Have a nice day!"

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Hope whoever killed the owl is caught and prosecuted......senseless act!!

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Have a hawk who frequents the back yard and woods...Mother in law once tried to chase him off a squirrel.....told her the same thing ...Hawks have a right to eat too..
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We live on a couple of acres in Oklahoma City and have a small pond next to our house. Turkeys and ducks visit it and my wife started feeding them and a green head and a female mallard started coming up to our back porch to get fed every evening. My wife named the mallards Fred and Ethyl and if we didn't come out to feed them, they would turn their heads sideways and start looking in our patio door. Occasionally I would drive home from work and I would see them swimming in the pond and I would yell and they would turn around and start swimming my direction and waddle up to the back porch. One day I walk out the front door and Ethyl was sitting in the flowerbed on top of 5 eggs, so the next month or so we had everyone go in and out through the side door to not disturb her. We were so excited to see some ducklings and I looked out the study window one day and there was big black snake coiled up in the nest that had eaten all the eggs! Fred and Ethyl wouldn't get close to us after that, maybe because they thought we stole her eggs. I've done a lot of duck hunting over the years but I'm not sure if I'll go this year, we got pretty attached to those ducks.
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As a life long hunter I have a hard time remembering all the species I have shot and killed. On occasion I have been mistaken and killed the wrong species of duck or dove during hunts. I get upset with myself when that happens. Owls and hawks are not game birds and are legally protected in Texas. There is a hefty fine for killing these animals, as there should be. As an ethical hunter it angers me when I hear of people killing things just for the sake of killing. Not only is it against the law, it creates the image that all hunters are like that. For those that kill owls and hawks for no reason... May 1,001 Norway rats infest your home as your reward.
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We have lots of critters around here. I feed the finches in the summer and we get a slug of baby birds every year. Of course that attracts the hawks. I saw a few finches meet their demise this summer.

We also have Barred owls. Now there's a killing machine if I've ever seen one. I saw one rake my Springer Spaniel one morning right before dawn. Got to have those however as they keep the rabbit population down. We have more of those than we need.
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The other day I passed a road kill. Heading back later I stopped to look closer. It was some variety of owl. Mostly brown with a little black marbleing. Really beautiful bird. I don't know why but it really mad me feel bad. Just getting old and soft I guess.
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I'm a retiree with a big deck on the back of the house. The backyard is unimproved wood land which brings us lots of critters. Many song birds and doves. We also are close to a large reservoir and many bald eagles. The eagles get bored with fish and come looking for fresh meat. I've never seen one score because it's very difficult in heavy woods. There is a very large owl in the woods that really likes squirrel. Recently, a hawk has taken several runs at the doves but no hits. The hawk sits on a perch on the deck after a miss and I swear he seems extremely POed.

I love the whole show and would never think of interfering.

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I love all raptors, but especially owls. They're brilliantly adapted for hunting and killing, with all sorts of marvelous "engineering changes".

Once many years ago I was leaving a field where I had been hunting. The sun had just set, deep dusk was setting in, and I was wearing camouflage except for a black knit watch cap.

Out of nowhere a big barn owl (my favorite kind) hurtled toward me with talons deployed, apparently mistaking the bobbing watch cap for an animal. At the last second he pulled back on the stick and passed no more than a foot and a half over my head. I felt the wind of his passing, but his wing beats were absolutely silent. It was eerie and thrilling.
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....when I was a kid I shot AT a bird with a bb gun. At that distance I never figured I'd hit it at that distance but I forgot how good I was with the thing. When the bird fell out of the tree, I almost died. I ran and picked it up. It looked like it was in shock and all I could do was to put it down and hope that it recovered. I've hunted a little and all of the animals just laughed at me. They probably knew that I didn't REALLY want to hurt them. I don't hunt anymore, but I can say 'proudly' that I never killed anything. I like to use that argument against gun haters. I told them I've had guns for 40 years and never killed anything so the thing about guns causing violence doesn't pan out.

Don't get me wrong, hunting is good, hunting is great. It's just not for me. I believe I could make an exception with harmful pests like wild hogs and hybrid coyotes that are aggressive.

I was kinda sorry to see that someone shot 'Pedals' the walking bear. Yeah, bears are dangerous, but he seemed to really just mind his own business and people saw him all the time for years. I think he was more interested in finding something to eat rather than attack anybody.
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I can understand her sorrow over what can only be seen by many (her & I included) as a needless death, a purposeless taking of a life with no plan to benefit from it.
I enjoy deer hunting because I also love a nice venison tenderloin on the grill, but I take no pleasure in killing just for the "fun" of the kill, and I look on those that do as... wrong.
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as hunters, or just walking in the woods, we see wild life sightings/ happenings, that usually happen when one has no time to record. fla., my friend and I on the st. johns river fishing after work, fishing was bad, just having a few beers, we kept seeing an osprey. he bought back 2 different times a fish, in a tree above our heads, and dropped them in the river. he was doing a lot better than us. was deer hunting in Pa., a squirrel was in a tree, he got tense, a hawk came out of nowhere, the hawk put his wing/ shoulder against the tree and spiraled down the tree forcing the squirrel to the ground, the hawk didn't score. Pa., scouting a pig farm early fall on a hill. saw a buck 100 yds. away, haunched down, LSS, he walked up to w/ in 15 ft. of me, could see the dew on his face, a 8 point, he turned around a stared at me again, then just walked off. south Carolina deer hunting, sun at my back on edge of a corn field, watched a large spider spin it's web, no deer sighted, was a good sight to relate. some of my best naps have been in the woods, during white outs, or the sun on my face, but i'm sure there there are more guys to share their relaxing moments in the wild.

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FYI. learned the hauch shooting position from a sgt. in korea. when the deer finished looking at me, I remember thinking what the hell was I setting myself up to get rolled over. he walked away w/ out flaging me.
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"Out of nowhere a big barn owl (my favorite kind) hurtled toward me with talons deployed, apparently mistaking the bobbing watch cap for an animal. At the last second he pulled back on the stick and passed no more than a foot and a half over my head. I felt the wind of his passing, but his wing beats were absolutely silent. It was eerie and thrilling."

Owl feathers are adapted that way=so as to be silent. Daytime owls are less so. Also, why many owls have feathered legs.
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