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Pot calling the kettle black, BIG TIME!
Old Brian is in line for the Dan Rather trophy for journalistic integrity.
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No fan of network news or Williams, but what he did was nothing more than resume embellishment, just that he stupidly did it on camera in a venue that's unforgiving. Not quite the same as the mass character assassination being discussed.
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No fan of network news or Williams, but what he did was nothing more than resume embellishment, just that he stupidly did it on camera in a venue that's unforgiving. Not quite the same as the mass character assassination being discussed.
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resume embellishment (AKA lying) Its one thing what a private person says, but when you have a HUGE audience!
Bottom line it goes to trust! Do you still trust him?
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resume embellishment (AKA lying) Its one thing what a private person says, but when you have a HUGE audience!
Bottom line it goes to trust! Do you still trust him?
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In the context of the OP, I differentiate based on the intent of liar. Williams sought to embellish his reputation. The fake news being discussed use's lies to make victims of others. It's different to me. I lied to my senile mother yesterday when I told her a $15 scarf only cost $2, so that she would let me buy it for her. I hate liars, but there are degrees and no absolutes.
Do I "trust" Williams? Why would I trust any stranger? His ilk reports, then I decide what to make of it.
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resume embellishment (AKA lying) Its one thing what a private person says, but when you have a HUGE audience!
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Do you trust any of them ?
Self embellishment, hidden or not so hidden agendas, character assassinations, half truths, ignoring the other side, if it bleeds it leads, rushing to report before any facts available, anything but reporting accurately, Hollywood dirt is important, etc.
Then the weather drama!?! We have the latest radar, track up to your street, etc.
Then there are the weather girls, playing with rburg's blood pressure! 😜
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I find that news outlets from outside the country are usually more reliable as they don't have an agenda.
You know somethings wrong with our MSM when they create their own fact checking department to check themselves.
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Reading and listening to various news sources is the best strategy. The points where most of their facts tend to intersect probably are safest to accept as reality.
Using Google to find someone who reports what you WANT to believe because it happens to fit your preferred view of things is not a viable alternative.
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Because of his lies Williams went from MVP at the World Series to Little League bat boy on that network no one watches. If a host on MSNBC tells a lie and they have no viewers to hear them, do they really make a sound?
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Do you trust any of them ?
Self embellishment, hidden or not so hidden agendas, character assassinations, half truths, ignoring the other side, if it bleeds it leads, rushing to report before any facts available, anything but reporting accurately, Hollywood dirt is important, etc.
Then the weather drama!?! We have the latest radar, track up to your street, etc.
Then there are the weather girls, playing with rburg's blood pressure! 😜
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Leave the weather girls out of this, any "embellishment" notwithstanding.
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It is hard to take any information source for face value as everyone has an agenda they would like you to accept. I do my best to sort out the facts and then make my decision but I have agendas of my own! You just can't trust anyone these days!
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Because of his lies Williams went from MVP at the World Series to Little League bat boy on that network no one watches. If a host on MSNBC tells a lie and they have no viewers to hear them, do they really make a sound?
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I'm not sure why anyone would take serious much of any of the so called mainstream media. If they are not out right lying, they are distorting or telling just the part of the story that suits their agenda.
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This whole "fake news" thing is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to delegitimize those who have been successful at exposing the purposeful agenda-driven deception at operations of NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC and CNN.
It's not going to work. The revelations have stunned even the most cynical.
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When every major news outlet "happens" to use exactly the same phrase to insult or denigrate either an individual or a group of persons, you can be assured that the news outlets have been issued orders from some influential faction. If those same media outlets are exposed as having been supplying inside information (such as debate questions) to one side or another, it isn't hard to know who's involved in subterfuge and "fake news".
Sourcing information through individual investigators is reasonable if that source offers references, particularly quoted, verifiable (such as video) examples.
Any individual who lies about exposure to enemy fire loses all credibility, and those who are foolish enough to do so when video proof to the contrary shows not only a lack of honesty, but a failure in judgement that disqualifies that individual from any position of trust, whether newsreader or politician.
Any news source funded heavily by a government is suspect, as well as one funded by organisations dedicated to regulations advanced by non elected foreign powers. (Even if they are tax deductible charity organizations)
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Bottom line is network news reporting is all about the numbers. Ratings=dollars! And it's not just advertising dollars that are dangling out there either! A lot of big bucks backing agenda's. For my money, honest, reliable news reporting died when they buried Walter Kronkite and Paul Harvey.
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No fan of network news or Williams, but what he did was nothing more than resume embellishment, just that he stupidly did it on camera in a venue that's unforgiving. Not quite the same as the mass character assassination being discussed.
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I'm seeing more and more people refer to news stories they consider to be slanted or biased as "fake news". That's not accurate, and it misses the point.
As an NRA member; a motorcyclist; a firefighter...I am used to reading news stories that I consider to be unfair or biased, or which don't present both sides fairly. Those stories, however, are not "fake". They are reporting on real events, but not in a way I would consider balanced.
Over the past year, there have been so-called "news stories" circulated, especially via social media, that are total, complete fabrications, lies made up out of whole cloth. The people who invent these stories are simply trying to stir the pot, and attract people to their various websites. The claimed events in these "news stories" never happened, period. THAT, friends, is "fake news".
Some of the victims of these fake news stories have been public figures that we all revile. Others have been innocent working stiffs, people whose lives have been turned upside-down by liars. Regardless, we "Second Amendment people" should be especially offended by fake news, for we could easily become the targets of some nitwit with an agenda and a website.
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This whole "fake news" thing is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to delegitimize those who have been successful at exposing the purposeful agenda-driven deception at operations of NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC and CNN.
It's not going to work. The revelations have stunned even the most cynical.
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You left out a network or two. Propagandists who spin stories to benefit or hurt people are on both sides of the aisle...
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In the context of the OP, I differentiate based on the intent of liar. Williams sought to embellish his reputation. The fake news being discussed use's lies to make victims of others...
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One week ago, a man walked into a pizza shop in Washington, DC, with a rifle, looking for "evidence" to support wild stories he'd been reading on his favorite "fake news" website. He scared the daylights out of everybody there, and actually fired shots inside the building. Mercifully, no one was injured.
When one of the pre-eminent newspapers in the country did a straight news story about the incident (who, what, when, where, why) the loons who gobble up fake news denounced the news story as -- you guessed it -- "fake news".
Friends, this is not something to be laughed off or taken lightly. We live in a big country, and there are kooks out there who can easily be motivated to action by lies repeated often enough. Fake news can be dangerous. We need to be vigilant, and smart, and savvy. We sell ourselves short when we believe a fairy tale just because it appeals to our point of view.
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Bottom line is network news reporting is all about the numbers. Ratings=dollars! And it's not just advertising dollars that are dangling out there either! A lot of big bucks backing agenda's. For my money, honest, reliable news reporting died when they buried Walter Kronkite and Paul Harvey.
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A free press is one of the most important pillars of a functioning democracy. There is a reason why the Founding Fathers put it in the First Amendment.
Viewing each media outlet critically and counter-checking facts and possible slants in reporting is an important skill for an educated citizen.
But whole-sale attacks on "the media", as they have become fashionable among too many people, are a threat to the country. People self-isolate themselves from all normal sources of information, and get their "news", together with their worldview, from alternative sources that are infintely worse than the major national news media.
When, as I have experienced, a "patriotic American" is quoting an internet source at me to prove that the "liberal media" are lying, and that internet source turns out to be RT, Russia Today, Putin's extremely slick English-language propaganda mouth-piece, that's a real problem.
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One week ago, a man walked into a pizza shop in Washington, DC, with a rifle, looking for "evidence" to support wild stories he'd been reading on his favorite "fake news" website. He scared the daylights out of everybody there, and actually fired shots inside the building. Mercifully, no one was injured.
When one of the pre-eminent newspapers in the country did a straight news story about the incident (who, what, when, where, why) the loons who gobble up fake news denounced the news story as -- you guessed it -- "fake news".
Friends, this is not something to be laughed off or taken lightly. We live in a big country, and there are kooks out there who can easily be motivated to action by lies repeated often enough. Fake news can be dangerous. We need to be vigilant, and smart, and savvy. We sell ourselves short when we believe a fairy tale just because it appeals to our point of view.
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Hands up, don't shoot! Is that the fake news you're talking about? Or is that ok because it came from "credible sources" like Network media?
Don't forget who has the loudest microphone, and the lowest credibility. They earned the mistrust of viewers.
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I think it was originally said by Samuel Clements and just repeated by Denzel Washington...
" If you don't read the paper, you're uninformed. Ifyou do read
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We hardly need worry about Russians under the bed. Unless McCarthyism is o.k. this time around.
Our U.S. Newsmen and women wouldn't lie.
Internet bloggers like Cordrea and the late Vanbeough (sp) exposed "Fast and Furious".
Sharyl Akisson was forced from CBS and she's on her own now.(remember Benghazi?)
The U.S. major media continues to ignore the carnage in our neighbor to the south and the specifics of illegal immigration (numbers and rules of engagement for border patrol units), but continues to warn us about "fake news", in their efforts to recover ratings and advertising revenue by calling anyone that scoops them a "Conspiracy Theorist"
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
And being a patriot isn't an insult to many of us.
No need to respond to the other points. I get you.
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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil
This whole "fake news" thing is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to delegitimize those who have been successful at exposing the purposeful agenda-driven deception at operations of NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC and CNN.
It's not going to work. The revelations have stunned even the most cynical.
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It was a viable political strategy when the Clintons and the left used it against their opponents. Clinton smeared Bob Dole-Bob Dole, for God's sake!- and afterward, when Dole spoke to him and made his objections, Clinton just shrugged and said you had to do what you needed to do to win. Now when their opponent played by the same rules(not that I approve), its a terrible thing for the country. Bill S
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12-12-2016, 04:04 AM
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A free press is one of the most important pillars of a functioning democracy. There is a reason why the Founding Fathers put it in the First Amendment.
Viewing each media outlet critically and counter-checking facts and possible slants in reporting is an important skill for an educated citizen.
But whole-sale attacks on "the media", as they have become fashionable among too many people, are a threat to the country. People self-isolate themselves from all normal sources of information, and get their "news", together with their worldview, from alternative sources that are infintely worse than the major national news media.
When, as I have experienced, a "patriotic American" is quoting an internet source at me to prove that the "liberal media" are lying, and that internet source turns out to be RT, Russia Today, Putin's extremely slick English-language propaganda mouth-piece, that's a real problem.
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Well-stated! I am always sadly amused when I hear someone gripe about the lack of credibility of the "mainstream media", then parrot something from some internet conspiracy theorist as Gospel truth. That's exactly what lead to that bizarre incident in Washington last week.
The folks who really amaze me are those who claim never to watch this-or-that network, or read this-or-that newspaper, because said news outlet is "biased". If you never watch a particular television network or read a particular newspaper, how do you know it's biased? And how can you counter something you disagree with?
I subscribe online to one of the those newspapers that we all love to hate. Why? Because their reporting is top-notch and informative. And while their left-wing editorials make me grit my teeth, they have a large staff of columnists that write for them, including a surprising number of conservatives who write very well. You really can find balanced points of view there.
The Bill of Rights is not a cafeteria menu; the Second Amendment would not exist without the First, and vice-versa. (How ironic that some of the biggest critics of the press these days are folks who can argue passionately about the value of the Second Amendment.) No, I don't always like what I read in the press or see on television, but I would much rather live in a country that respects freedom of the press than in one where reporters are intimidated, or fearful, or able to publish only what the government allows them to publish.
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12-12-2016, 04:15 AM
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You mean like:
Hands up, don't shoot! Is that the fake news you're talking about? Or is that ok because it came from "credible sources" like Network media?
Don't forget who has the loudest microphone, and the lowest credibility. They earned the mistrust of viewers.
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No sir, "hands up don't shoot" was not "fake news". If you recall, it was a lie told by witnesses to an incident. They were adamant about what they allegedly saw, and the press simply reported what they said they saw. When the truth came out, the press reported that as well. I don't know what else the media could have done with that story. Surely you don't suggest they should have declined to report what so many witnesses were saying???
(You do bring to mind an interesting point: The real damage done by that lie was because it was spread via social media websites and the Internet, not because of reporting by the mainstream press.)
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During the run up to the recent presidential election I found it entertaining
to watch a news story, about a particular event, on both NBC and FOX.
The same story but with bias to the far left and right. Any similarity
purely coincidental. Like they say "we report, you decide".
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12-12-2016, 07:36 AM
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Too much political temptation here....
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