Its done every day and by some you wouldn't think ..

I know of at least 2 times in the last 5 years or so when LEO friends were prescribed strong pain pills because of an injury and continued to work the streets ..

Indeed, the hypocrisy.

I don’t use weed or drink alcohol either, so let’s get that on the table.
And I counsel against the stuff when the topic comes up.

However;
Is there any argument about the carnage left in the wake of alcohol use?
I didn’t think so.

Alcohol is a drug, legal for recreational use.
From everything I’ve read, it is FAR more dangerous than weed.

The United States hasn’t been able to effectively outlaw alcohol use (and I don’t think that it should be outlawed).
Likewise, we haven’t been able to effectively outlaw weed, either. Any high school kid can probably get a bag almost as fast as you can pick up a 6-pack on the way home from work.

Personally, I think the gov’t should mind its own business.
If someone commits a crime under the influence, deal with it harshly.

It’s a complicated issue, but as a society we should be striving for consistency in our laws and erring to the side of individual freedom.

So you can't get a gun if you're smoking pot for chemo relief or whatever else, but if you're taking Valium, barbituates, Oxycodone, or Opiates...no problem. Garbage! You can buy a car no matter what your record looks like. DWIs, DUIs, Vehicular Manslaughter, doesn't matter. You may not have a license, but you can buy a car. What a bad joke.

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My son-in-law was a street cop in a college town. Many Saturday nights were busy with loud out of control alcohol fueled parties. When the calls came in, several cars responded. No loud out of control party call ever came in from pot parties. Only one car responded to a marijuana call. With alcohol parties things often got physical. With pot parties they were just chilling and wanted to know if he had any chips. I hate hypocrisy. Why our government approves alcohol , a drug that makes many people aggressive and is a major contributor of violent crimes, and is a leading cause of birth defects and deaths, then bans a drug that makes you mellow and had been shown to have very little detrimental effects, makes me question our leadership in this country on this matter. SIG220.45's experiences bear this out.

Guess everyone are going to have to deal with it. Just answer the question honestly. Is is unfair though.

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Because everybody knows that someone who smokes marijuana
is a very dangerous individual....

What the ??????

Our Gov't at work. SMDH !!!


Chuck

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They call it dope for a reason. You can rattle off all the supposed benefits and anecdotal evidence you want, I've seen it's effects for years and have no use for it and will never support its legalization. Sorry, dude.

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And I have seen the effects of alcohol, which are worse, IMHO. Are you campaigning for booze to be outlawed as well? Oh wait, they already tried that didn't they. It worked as well for alcohol as it was for pot. There's a reason why pot isn't legal and it's got more to do with tax revenue than anything else.

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Weren't those guys and girls in CHICAGO that tortured that disabled kid smoking spliffs?
Or was that "fake news"?

So let's face it, there's been just enough bad press to keep the fires burning regarding the laws on an existing restricted substance.
Whattaya gonna do....? require legislators to take urinalysis?

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Squabbling over whether to be allowed to have a drink/smoke and own a gun?

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes...

You're so busy squabbling for the scraps from Longshank's table that you missed your God-given right to something better-- Shall Not Be Infringed!

And then there's expresso. That stuff is down right dangerous.

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The worst thing I ever saw about pot was heads doing the zombie march into McDonald's. Now there's a public menace.

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I agree - the reason I asked is I have a friend whose father is a MM card holder and she has described his use and actions very similarly to your friend.

I'll point out that not all marijuana products make you high. And that in some cases marijuana may be a better remedy than opiods for pain relief:

Cannabis topicals offer alternative to opioids for pain treatmen - KPTV - FOX 12

My sister suffered from degenerative arthritis. Bone basically totally going to pieces. For a long time she was on oxicotin then Fentinal patches. Almost impossible to deal with, crabby, quarrelsome and completely eligible to own a gun. Then she got a medical Marijuana card. Way better in my opinion, way easier to get along with and far more lucid, but, illegal for her to have a gun.

I have seen far more problems with drunks than stoners. A couple LEOs I know worry about the drunks way more than the pot heads.

I know some people who smoke a little weed, I know some who have a drink now and then. Neither type bother me much as far as them having guns. On the other hand I do know some drunks than shouldn't have so much as a BB gun. You can have multiple DUIs and still have a gun???? Smoke a bowl at home on Saturday night and your out of there.

Alcohol is a drug, it impairs you mentally, effects are detrimental to multiple body parts and can cause brain damage. In my opinion if one is illegal so should the other be. I hardly every have a drink, have not been drunk for many years. May have even smoked some pot years ago (never inhaled). Spent years subject to both regular and random drug tests and watching the boozers often come to work with brain dead hangovers. Even if your in your own home and your guns are in your safe your still seriously impaired and in control of firearms and I bet most LEOs have seen some bad results from a drunk who decided to get his gun.

Ps, there are Drs, lawyers, accountants, LEOs, Judges, CEOs, and many others who partake from time to time. They just are not stupid about it. There are also drunks in all professions, more of them are stupid about it. I have seen all of the above get DUIs. If somebody is stupid enough to drive drunk, they are too stupid to have a gun. Far more apt to kill somebody with a car. Happens all day long everyday. Far more deaths than all the pot heads with guns kill.

Just where should the line be and how much control over it do you want the government to have?

...so anyone who's killed less people than Adolph Hitler, gets to walk free?

"Well your honor, I only killed two people...what Hitler did was worse, IMHO."

Re-read the statement...come down first if necessary.

...and those are the ones the medical marijuana cheerleaders refuse to use.

Kinda like the bums on street corners who ask for money for food, and refuse offers to buy them a meal.

Brother in Law is a doc. Asked him about med marijuana. He said there is "anecdotal" evidence it helps some things. Problem is there are not good studies positive or negative because at the fed level it was illegal. There will likely be studies now that several states have made it legal and I suspect they will find more bad than good but that is my opinion.

I find it interesting that the feds find it convenient to allow states to enact laws and no enforce federal law against M expect in the case of gun ownership.

Personally, I do not have a problem with this but I can see how it is a land mine of problems.

I did. Like many, you're afraid of what you don't understand.

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I do not recall seeing anyone smoking pot who was as bad in terms of violent crazy behavior as a drinker. Got it. I am much more afraid of opiods, real and synthetic, too. However, today's pot is nothing like that of the 70s, and I have had a few people describe experiences (mostly based on their own "research") consistent with the greater potency and resulting effects. I'm too sensitive to the effects of pain pills and the like to take most of them; I would be similarly hesitant about today's pot. I also don't need to think slower and eat more - still have a bit of a food blister and a pretty well controlled type 2 diagnosis.

What we have now is a situation where for right or wrong, pot is a Schedule I drug and cannot be prescribed. I believe that also limits the research that can be done on it. Considering the trouble we have politically with those who hate us, this is not a hill on which we should be prepared to die. We have enough problems with stupid stuff from people who are not prohibited parties.

ETA: A friend of mine was involved in a controversial OIS some years ago. Some of the actions of the decedent were utterly stupid and made no sense until the tox screen = he was BAKED. There is no good research on this of which he and I are aware, but there are some very strong indications in examining what OIS data we can that a lot of the people shot by cops are impaired by some substance or other, or a combination. Pot shows up enough to be a concern. I'm not going to claim there is causation, but there is a reasonable basis for concern that people who are on the margin of bad decision making cross it when smoking weed.

I have enough weaknesses, and I think the one related to redheads whose morals are similar to mine is al the trouble I need.

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If 1 out of a 100 pot smokers have a legitimate medical malady that can't be reasonably addressed other than by sucking on a burning joint I'd be surprised. That said... I don't care if adults want to suck on burning things of any kind... pot, crack, tobacco... whatever. They need not dream up an excuse for me, not my business what they like to suck on.

The endless rationalizing by our society that drinking or inhaling chemicals is better or worse than one or the other seems like a useless exercise. A person living in a free country ought to focus on freedom rather than dreaming up chemical puffing laws. Same with guns.

My LGS told me she just got the new forms but she hadn't really checked out the changes.
I would rather not be around a person that is buzzed on booze or pot but I would rather be around the latter if it happened. Booze IMO will make a person have less mental capabilities than pot smoker.
I just wonder whether a person with a medical pot card is allowed to get a drivers license? A person is more likely to be killed by a car than a gun that's for darn sure.

Yes, and as I recall, to the extent that WSP has been able to get data from blood testing, the rate of drug impaired DUIs in Washington has gone up a lot since the passage of the initiative. (I have almost no contact with DUI prosecution now; the last one I tried was decades ago, so my recollection may be way off.)

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[QUOTE=PatriotX;139409946]I did. Like many, you're afraid of what you don't understand.[/QUOTE

I understand it better than you, most likely.

What's your awareness of research showing the positive correlation between onset of schizophrenia, and marijuana use?
Lots of studies from Australia & Japan, indicating pot use can 'fill the bucket' for a genetically prone individual, tipping him into active schizophrenia--which might not have occured without using pot.

How cannabis can trigger schizophrenia | Daily Mail Online

Are you aware that pot is addictive ("dependency creating") for some individuals?

Have you ever provided professional substance abuse counseling to someone with cannabinoid dependence (that's
the clinical term for 'marijuana addiction')?

Google

I agree. I just want them in a different insurance pool than me . . .

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The new form won't bother me as I don't smoke weed anyways, so for me it's a non-issue.

In my profession in the oil drilling industry, you are subject to random drug testing by urinalysis or hair follicle testing anyways and most every company in the industry has a strict no-tolerance policy on non-prescribed drugs being in your system on the wellsite. And that includes both weed and alcohol. Unfortunately for the pot smokers, THC stays in your system for weeks minimum, so they can't smoke weed even on their time off, so it's either quit or play Russian roulette with your job. This holds true whether you live or are working in a state that allows medical or recreational use of pot. Since I need a job to afford to live comfortably, the weed went out of the picture when testing began 30 years or so ago.

To sum up my viewpoint, if you want to buy and own your guns, don't smoke weed, at least until the laws are changed and pot is taken of the schedule 1 list. If it's something you really want, then play the system to where you don't have conflict.

In Michigan if you are found to be under the influence of THC, or prescribed pain meds or other medications the altar your brain activity while driving you can/ will be arrested and charged with a DUI. Having a prescription make legal to possess and use not to drive. I don't want to ask the question about carrying a firearm.

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