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Old 05-06-2017, 02:54 PM
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Do they still have these in school anymore?

In 7th and 8th grade middle school we had wood shop and metal shop. We did everything... and used tools from lathes to cutting torches. Learned a ton of stuff that a kid would likely never learn otherwise. In high school we had auto shop. Tore down and put back together a car engine for the first time when I was 14. It was very empowering and built a lot of confidence. These things taught kids MUCH more than just working with your hands.

I still have my first wood shop project. Summer school at the middle school after finishing 6th grade. Not much to it but I still remember each step... cutting, gluing, lathe, drilling, sanding, finishing...

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Old 05-06-2017, 03:46 PM
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My son has taken auto mechanics for the last couple years and has learned a lot. He's probably not going to pursue it as a job, but it's sure good knowledge to have and crosses over into a LOT of fields.
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My youngest son took automotive shop in high school, he realy liked it. Of course as I'm a lifetime gear head he grew up fooling with cars.

After high school he went to the local community college and got a degree in machining. Had a job waiting for him before he graduated school.( Circa 1998) He took machining and CNC programing. Worked hard got a few raises and about 8 years ago he was promoted to foreman. He has 10 people working under him and is in charge of a few million dollars worth of fancy equipment and makes a very decent salary.

Something to be said for high school shop courses!
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Old 05-06-2017, 04:28 PM
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Wood Shop.. Metal Shop.. Auto Shop.. Do they still have these in school anymore?
NO.
They've been replaced with-
1- Tree Hugging & paperless choices 101
2- Metal Recyling Principles & Can Gathering
3- Uber Fundamentals

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I'm in the H.S. class of 1974. My Jr & Sr years I slacked off and took metal shop, only I really learned things! My class mates got very good at welding roll cages on stolen VW's for mud running and turning hash (probably pot) pipes on the metal lathes! I studied acid etching, lost wax casting, and a few other processes that didn't interest anybody else. I learned about steel strengths and hardness as well as case hardening and annealing.

I've never had a job requiring these things, but this knowledge made me better at all the jobs I have had!

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We have several dedicated tech/trade high schools here.

Their graduation and success rate is much higher than the Public School System bully farms.

Edit to add: I took woodshop in the 8th grade as it was required. I never really fell in love with it but, who would have thought that many years later, it would come in handy as I got into building/rebuilding/restoring guitars.
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Old 05-06-2017, 04:58 PM
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Let's see....I had metal shop, print shop, auto shop, electric shop, tool & die making shop, electronics shop and wood shop. In wood shop I refinished the stock on my Remington single shot 22. Brought the rifle to school on the school bus and took it home the same way..no big deal. The Navy saw my grades in electronic shop and sent me to the Avionics school in Memphis.

Sadly my grandson hardly knows what end of the screwdriver to hold, and has no clue how an internal combustion engine works. I do call on him when my computer gives me trouble.
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The school district I attended has either cut these classes way back or eliminated them. I think it has to do with insurance.
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I just checked the website of the high school I went to before moving overseas. They still have Auto Shop, but now it is called "Auto Tech". They have added Robotics and Engineering but no longer have Wood Shop or Metal Shop which is too bad. I have a 5 step spiral tiered rod iron plant stand my brother made in metal shop at that same high school.

Edit: Lee is right, they took away wood and metal shop but now have a program that pairs students with "social justice" community organizations and call it the "Social Justice Pathway" program. I wonder if the school bused them to any of the recent protests.

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Yeah, when I was in Jr. high and Sr. high we had woodshop, metalshop and printshop with photography. Made a lot of neat stuff!
Once in Sr. High you made your choice that either you were going to college or you were headed for trade school aka Vo-Tech.
I went to Vo-Tech and started with a career in HVAC, even though I branched out and ended else where!

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Our school system has failed our children for quite awhile by not giving them marketable skills at even the most basic levels.
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Old 05-06-2017, 07:39 PM
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I spent a couple of years trying to get a local school system to see there errors in their ways. It was like trying to teach a pig to sing opera. Someday, maybe I'll post the tale. It was sad.
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From '59-'62 I attended, and graduated from John Marshall HS, Cleveland, OH. Somehow I was able to take their shop classes and pursue a pre-college program.

Wood, Plastic, and Metal were the three classes, well-taught by no nonsense pros. Still have the walnut letter opener, plastic mortar on a carriage, wall shelf, and ceramic tile trivet in a metal holder I made. Learned lathe techniques, brazing, welding, how to glue wood and plastic materials.
Still remember one afternoon the teacher left the room for 3 minutes and almost caught me in a heated argument with my friend over a Ford versus Chevy thing. (his dad worked for Ford and could do no wrong)

Took all the math, chemistry, biology and physics courses they offered too. Went on to teach math for 40 years.

Will schools ever return these types of shop classes to the curriculum? Too much liability and cost for the typical 4 year school. Heck, I couldn't even use construction compasses in geometry class the last couple of years because of the "danger" and risk involved with the sharp points. "Weapons of mass construction".
I still carried my pocket knife everyday to sharpen pencils.

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With the push to becoming a 'service economy' the training is geared toward fast food, bellhopping, etc. A high tech job is cable installation.
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From '59-'62 I attended, and graduated from John Marshall HS, Cleveland, OH. Somehow I was able to take their shop classes and pursue a pre-college program.

Wood, Plastic, and Metal were the three classes, well-taught by no nonsense pros. Still have the walnut letter opener, plastic mortar on a carriage, wall shelf, and ceramic tile trivet in a metal holder I made. Learned lathe techniques, brazing, welding, how to glue wood and plastic materials.
Still remember one afternoon the teacher left the room for 3 minutes and almost caught me in a heated argument with my friend over a Ford versus Chevy thing. (his dad worked for Ford and could do no wrong)

Took all the math, chemistry, biology and physics courses they offered too. Went on to teach math for 40 years.

Will schools ever return these types of shop classes to the curriculum? Too much liability and cost for the typical 4 year school. Heck, I couldn't even use construction compasses in geometry class the last couple of years because of the "danger" and risk involved with the sharp points. "Weapons of mass construction".
I still carried my pocket knife everyday to sharpen pencils.

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That is how the Pontiac (Michigan) school system was. Taking their electronics classes for 3 years gave me a major in science to go with the major I had in English plus minors in Math, Languages (Spanish and German) and History. They offered to let me graduate in January, as I had more than enough credits. Instead I went on co-op and got a job in an electric motor rebuilding shop. My diversified education made passing the General Motors Apprenticeship test easy and got me a career in skilled trades. Kids from schools today have difficulty passing that test. The test is divided into areas requiring reading comprehension, math skills and spacial relations abilities. You could pick out college prep kids by their scores on the reading comp and math scores and the VOC-ED kids by their scores on the spatial relations section. One example that sticks out in my mind was a young girl who graduated at the top of her class from the Detroit School system. She failed the test. She aced the reading comp and math sections, but did miserably in the spatial relations sections. In case you hadn't guessed by now, I worked for a few years administering the apprentice program at our plant. It was rewarding but at times frustrating.
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Shop classes were the only thing that kept me interested in school. Learned to weld, woodwork etc. My Jr and Sr years we actually built a house. Was a three hour class, had morning and afternoon classes. Started with the foundation dug at the beginning of the year and ended up with a finished house at the end of the year. Did pretty much everything except excavating and the heavy concrete work. At the end of the year the school would take bids on the house and use that to fund the next years project. Learned more practical skills in that class that I still use. The school quit the program about 35 years ago.
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