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Old 06-21-2017, 07:32 PM
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For one I didn't know abt this page until I was doing research so mind your business if you have no proper advice for me then don't comment
That's not how the world works, let alone the internet. In any case, I've been on several different firearms-related forums, and let me tell you this place doesn't have any bad people, not for long anyway.

It's the best-policed forum I've ever seen, and most definitely the one with the highest ratio of true experts. Most of the regular enthusiasts around here, like me, have many years of experience with all kinds of things that go "bang". So take it to heart when we tell you that, with very few exceptions (namely altered or abused specimens), guns don't go off by themselves. You might want to consider why the gun didn't go off just sitting in the vehicle, getting bumped around, but only went off when it was being handled.

I believe you when you say that hubby had gripped the frame only and didn't have his finger on the trigger, but what many people fail to take into account is that anything else besides the owner's finger that touches the trigger will also cause it to fire. This has been a known factor with striker-fired guns without a manual safety for decades now. They are less forgiving of careless handling than any other type.

So hear me now and believe me later and think about it some other time: You have a much better chance of winning the Mega-Power-Godzillions Lottery, with a once-in-a-lifetime single ticket purchase, than the chance that anything other than a depression of the trigger (by whatever) caused the SD to discharge.
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I got a phone call from the detevtive as they have looked over the fire arm and have concluded that the trigger was never pulled so some of you assuming he intentionally shot him self please stop with the negativity like I said he knows better than to have his finger anywhere near the trigger when not at a range getying ready to fire he has taken a numerous amount of safety classes I did not post this to be ridculed I posted to ask if thos has happened before
Gentlepersons: recommend taking this one at face value. The OP asked if anyone heard of a similar incident. If you've seen the above, please pass the info along. If true, the weapon malfunctioned in some way, and that'll be reported to S&W, CPSC, and a bevy of regulatory agencies. If not true, don't pursue.

Megan: best wishes for your husband's recovery. Please be aware that your defensive responses (e.g., "please stop with the negativity") will get just that. Most folks here have decades of firearm handling experience, and what you describe flies in the face of that experience. Not judging; just sayin'. Lots of us are from Missouri.

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One of my shooting buddies is a radiologist. He shared this with me many years ago. Cocked and locked Series 80 Colt went off when it hit the inside of an an MRI machine. The magnetic field snatched it from the officer's grasp from several feet away. Luckily did not injure anyone when it went off. The fired case was still in the chamber, proof that the safety was engaged and locking the slide.

The linked report does a commendable job of explaining the mechanics of the accident.

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Spontaneous Discharge of a Firearm in an MR Imaging Environment

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Allen is known for thin, fabric holsters. The trigger could very well have been pulled without removing the firearm. Best of luck to your husband. If he continues to carry a handgun after this, please have him purchase and use a quality holster. As bad as it sounds, you all were very lucky this time.


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Megan406p:

Do not return the gun to Smith&Wesson.

Do not return the holster to Allen Gear.

Do not talk to either manufacturer.

Hang on to both until you've had the chance to have both evaluated independently.

No rush on that, but you don't want evidence disappearing into the black hole of the potentially culpable parties.

Based on the additional info you have provided, there may be a claim against the holster manufacturer

After you have recovered a bit from this very scary event and your husband is home and recovering, you may decide to consult with a good product liability attorney.

The very thin, flexible holster isn't a design I would recommend.

I hope you and your husband recover rapidly.

PS: you aren't a 'troll'. You're just looking for help. I apologize for some of the responses you've received.


Now this is why "speculation" accomplishes nothing!

Alien gear makes a LOT of holsters, is in IWB or OWB.?? So which one is it??
As far as being thin fabric?? They are hybrid KYDEX holsters with leather or Neoprene backing with steel core ??

They are in no way flimsy.

Regardless the exact type of holster is UNKNOWN.

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Some of y'all may want to take a long overdue look at the Welcome Page.
Something along the lines of "best source of all things S&W"
Hats off to the OP looking for solid info while taking care of other business.
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They had a forensic lab and it was their top priority to find out considering he could of been charged I don't care what you have to say my original post was to see if it had happened to anyone else the negativity is not needed if you can be respectful don't reply simple as that and the detective told me at first when it happened that he believed it went off by it's its self and he just called me today to confirm so get facts straight first please and thank you
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They had a forensic lab and it was their top priority to find out considering he could of been charged I don't care what you have to say my original post was to see if it had happened to anyone else the negativity is not needed if you can be respectful don't reply simple as that and the detective told me at first when it happened that he believed it went off by it's its self and he just called me today to confirm so get facts straight first please and thank you
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And as soon as I get the fire arm back I will be sending it to s&w for them to look at I have contacted them but like I said before I came on here to see if someone has had something similar happen to them not to be judged
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And as soon as I get the fire arm back I will be sending it to s&w for them to look at I have contacted them but like I said before I came on here to see if someone has had something similar happen to them not to be judged


Re read RPGs post.Hes a lawyer.
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They had a forensic lab and it was their top priority to find out considering he could of been charged I don't care what you have to say my original post was to see if it had happened to anyone else the negativity is not needed if you can be respectful don't reply simple as that and the detective told me at first when it happened that he believed it went off by it's its self and he just called me today to confirm so get facts straight first please and thank you
Finger or foreign object not on the trigger? Forensic lab? Charges? This has to be a troll.

The SD is striker fired no? What are the mechanics of the SD9VE?

Loving the experts determining the trigger was not pulled with authority but cannot identify the failure whatsoever.

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And I will add that the trigger was some how loosened which would not take as much pressure and I will also add he has never taken the trigger off of the weapon.....that is what I was told so that is why I will be sending it in to the manufacturer now stop with the negativity
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And for those wondering what the holster looks like I have no clue how to post a picture on here or I would
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Now this is why "speculation" accomplishes nothing!

Alien gear makes a LOT of holsters, is in IWB or OWB.?? So which one is it??
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They are in no way flimsy.

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Didn't she say it was an Allen fabric holster and not an Alien Gear?

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They had a forensic lab and it was their top priority to find out considering he could of been charged I don't care what you have to say my original post was to see if it had happened to anyone else the negativity is not needed if you can be respectful don't reply simple as that and the detective told me at first when it happened that he believed it went off by it's its self and he just called me today to confirm so get facts straight first please and thank you
Still wish you could provide the agency, report number, detective's name to a moderator. No offense intended, but until the incident is verified as you claim, it still is a claim.
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Didn't she say it was an Allen fabric holster and not an Alien Gear?

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Cheap under 10 bucks one size fits all type .. with a long buckle strap that will easily get in the way .. grandson had one just like it for his BB Gun Pistol ..
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have concluded that the trigger was never pulled
How would anyone determine that?

I can understand verifying by experiment if the gun can be made to fire without pulling the trigger, but determining afterwards if that happened...
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Cheap under 10 bucks one size fits all type .. with a long buckle strap that will easily get in the way .. grandson had one just like it for his BB Gun Pistol ..
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Megan, simply taking you at your word: I, too, recommend you reread RPG's post and follow his advice. You need a lawyer in your corner whose sole interest is protecting your husband and family.

As a curiosity point, you explain that the trigger was loose. Did your husband buy the gun secondhand? If so, perhaps a previous owner modified the action or trigger in some fashion.
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I'm pretty sure that anybody that shows up with a gun wound is automatically reported. Kinda like doctors seeing dog bit victims
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I know it's a Allen holster not For sure of anything else as the cops still have it until next week
Not ALIEN GEAR, so I don't see the need to add them to the discussion?
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I could be wrong here, but on the SD line of pistols, don't they require the trigger to be pulled for the striker to generate enough energy to strike the primer? The strikers are not 100% or even 90% loaded, isn't it like 60% loaded and the action of pulling the trigger finishes loading the striker? So even if something broke internally, there wouldn't be enough energy stored in the striker springs to actually complete the firing cycle.

So there is no way the firearm discharged without the trigger being pulled in some way, right? Or am I wrong.

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If we eliminate that he did not pull the trigger unintentionally that leaves the holster and the gun going off.

Out of the two I'd say that the holster has the greatest probability of being at fault for what we've heard here.

I don't discount that the gun may have gone off without being 'asked', but that would mean that the gun is defective and just handling it would cause the spring to let go and release the hammer/strker.

There are tons of guns out there. I believe that our main quality manufacturers have safety well covered in their mechanism, but if something is broken????

I know a gun that discharged when a very experienced and conscientious gun owner manipulated the slide. That wasn't supposed to happen either. But sometimes it does

The scariest I've heard so far is that Remington, a highly respected brand, has produced about a million of their model 700, that has been shown to fire simply by operating bolt, as if to unload the magazine. The reason this is scary is that it wasn't a defect, the gun was produced like that, some say with the manufacturers knowledge of the problems.

Again, please give us as much detailed info as you can because without the facts, we can only guess and that doesn't build up my confidence.
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Sorry...but IMO there is no way that some "detective" can determine whether or not the trigger was pulled. Unless the gun has not been touched or manipulated in any way since your husband shot himself with it, I don't think even the manufacturer could make that determination. X-ray comes to mind.
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And I will add that the trigger was some how loosened which would not take as much pressure and I will also add he has never taken the trigger off of the weapon.....that is what I was told so that is why I will be sending it in to the manufacturer now stop with the negativity
Post # 61.Trigger some how loosened ?.Thats comeing in at #61. Is this comeing from Husband thats shot ? ,from dective that has firearm? Or O P ?.
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They had a forensic lab and it was their top priority to find out considering he could of been charged I don't care what you have to say my original post was to see if it had happened to anyone else the negativity is not needed if you can be respectful don't reply simple as that and the detective told me at first when it happened that he believed it went off by it's its self and he just called me today to confirm so get facts straight first please and thank you
Megan, it's considered bad form to ask folks to take the time to reply to you then turn and around and tell them to mind their own business and that you don't care what they have to say.

No one here knows what happened. If a man discharges a firearm inside a vehicle with his wife and children present and has no clue what happened that would be very troubling. I would suggest the gun and holster be inspected by someone qualified as well as a review of safe gun handling to help avoid family car discharge #2.

If the root cause(s) is ever determined it would be kind of you to return and let us know. It might help someone else avoid a similar incident and potential tragedy. Until then, we've pretty much covered things here.

Good luck.
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