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I shot a doe yesterday evening with my rifle. I only found one drop of blood at the spot that I shot her, and I was not able to find her, or any more blood. I walked around the woods (next to the field that I was hunting) for about an hour and a half before calling it. I know for a fact that there were two doe watching me as I climbed out of the stand (there could have been more that I did not see).

So, my question is this:

How long do you think I should leave it alone before hunting that field again?

If it matters, there is a line of sawtoothe oaks down the edge of the field, as well as it likely being disked and planted within the next few days.
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Deer aren't that picky. I once shot two coyotes on a morning hunt, and later that morning, shot an 8 point buck as he stepped over one of the coyote carcasses.
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Deer aren't that picky. I once shot two coyotes on a morning hunt, and later that morning, shot an 8 point buck as he stepped over one of the coyote carcasses.
I am not concerned about the dead deer (somewhere around, I assume), it is the fact that I walked around, to include over numerous scrapes, the area for an hour and a half.
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I doubt anything you did yesterday would have much impact on hunting today, as you describe the area.

You should be much more concerned about losing the deer.

You're either not shooting well or using a gun and ammo combo that needs some thought. From your previous posts I'd guess you used a 223 - not a good choice for big game, IMHO (illegal in Colorado for good reason).

I'd suggest you spend more time looking for your wounded game in future. An hour and a half sounds like a long time, but it's hard to thoroughly cover much ground in that time.
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I am not concerned about the dead deer (somewhere around, I assume), it is the fact that I walked around, to include over numerous scrapes, the area for an hour and a half.
A wounded deer will most often head for heavy cover. Wait 15-30 minutes, then follow their trail, or the most likely direction, if you observed which way it went. They will lay down and you will have another chance to jump-shoot your quarry. If they are hurt badly enough, and you don't find them, they will die holed up.

I have had to track only a few in this manner in over fifty years of hunting deer. It is not a pleasant feeling to lose one, and I don't even like taking a second shot... it means that I screwed up!

"Not concerned about the dead deer"? I would suggest that you get your act together on this point. Also reassess your rifle and the load you use... and your abilities.

What a waste of delicious meat.
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I once hit a deer with an arrow right before dark that was crossing from my left to my right. I was sitting in a ground blind. There was a dusting of snow on the ground and after a short wait, I searched and found no evidence that I had made contact. In my memories eye, the deer had turned back to my left and climbed up the hill to my left and rear. I went back to camp, got my buddies and we looked for an hour using Coleman lanterns. We found nothing. The next morning we eventually found blood and on the white snow it looked like gallons. The deer had actually exited directly to my left and had not climbed the hill as I had remembered. The deer ran through some saplings and knocked the arrow out and it was covered with blood and tallow.

We continued following the track and followed it to a fallen tree where the deer had crawled in and bedded. The deer must have licked at the wound all night as there was only one drop of pink blood where the deer had exited the tree the next morning. We followed the track about 2 miles seeing no more blood and eventually the deer headed into a marsh and we could not follow.

I was satisfied that the deer had survived and continued to hunt the rest of that day.

So all that said, I would say that you could hunt that area again the next day. That deer may not return but there are most likely others that will. Modern deer are used to man scent unless you are hunting somewhere where no one ever goes. Between homeowners, hikers and hunters, most deer in my area are used to our smell.

Wounded deer will many times head for water so if there are any streams or ponds near your hunting spot, I would check them and you might get lucky. If it's over 40 where you are hunting then the meat even if found would probably be no good after a few hours. If it is 40 or colder, then I would not hesitate to harvest a fallen deer the next day.

You didn't say if you were shooting a scope or iron sights but you might want to take the rifle to the range and make sure that she is hitting where you think she is. Nobody likes losing a deer as sometimes you only get one or two opportunities a season.
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If there is something to eat there, the deer will be back shortly.
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I doubt anything you did yesterday would have much impact on hunting today, as you describe the area.

You should be much more concerned about losing the deer.

You're either not shooting well or using a gun and ammo combo that needs some thought. From your previous posts I'd guess you used a 223 - not a good choice for big game, IMHO (illegal in Colorado for good reason).

I'd suggest you spend more time looking for your wounded game in future. An hour and a half sounds like a long time, but it's hard to thoroughly cover much ground in that time.
I actually put my scope back on my .270 and was using that rifle. I shot her at approximately 20 yards, dead straight on, right in her chest. I have dropped deer with that shot before. As far as "only" searching for an hour and a half, some of us do not have three or four hours to walk around the woods at night. I have a family at home (over an hour away from where I hunt). I am more concerned about getting home to them before too late than I am finding a deer, especially when all I have to go on is a general direction (she was behind trees once she took off) that it ran and one drop of blood at the spot where I shot her.

I realize to some this sounds like I do not care about finding a deer, but that is not the case. I walked all of the area that I could cover (it does not take long to walk and look with a flashlight) and did not see any blood or the deer. I could have randomly walked in the direction that the deer went (what I could see of when it ran), but that could/would have likely taken who knows how long before I came upon it.

I did not intend for this discussion to turn into an ethics parade, I was simply asking how long it may take for deer to get back to being comfortable in and around that field since I walked all over the area last night...
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I once hit a deer with an arrow right before dark that was crossing from my left to my right. I was sitting in a ground blind. There was a dusting of snow on the ground and after a short wait, I searched and found no evidence that I had made contact. In my memories eye, the deer had turned back to my left and climbed up the hill to my left and rear. I went back to camp, got my buddies and we looked for an hour using Coleman lanterns. We found nothing. The next morning we eventually found blood and on the white snow it looked like gallons. The deer had actually exited directly to my left and had not climbed the hill as I had remembered. The deer ran through some saplings and knocked the arrow out and it was covered with blood and tallow.

We continued following the track and followed it to a fallen tree where the deer had crawled in and bedded. The deer must have licked at the wound all night as there was only one drop of pink blood where the deer had exited the tree the next morning. We followed the track about 2 miles seeing no more blood and eventually the deer headed into a marsh and we could not follow.

I was satisfied that the deer had survived and continued to hunt the rest of that day.

So all that said, I would say that you could hunt that area again the next day. That deer may not return but there are most likely others that will. Modern deer are used to man scent unless you are hunting somewhere where no one ever goes. Between homeowners, hikers and hunters, most deer in my area are used to our smell.

Wounded deer will many times head for water so if there are any streams or ponds near your hunting spot, I would check them and you might get lucky. If it's over 40 where you are hunting then the meat even if found would probably be no good after a few hours. If it is 40 or colder, then I would not hesitate to harvest a fallen deer the next day.

You didn't say if you were shooting a scope or iron sights but you might want to take the rifle to the range and make sure that she is hitting where you think she is. Nobody likes losing a deer as sometimes you only get one or two opportunities a season.
It was in the upper 70s, possibly 80 by the time the deer were moving. I was using a .270 with a scope. Scope was dead on as I sighted it in around lunchtime yesterday.
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I think you performed your duty to try to find the deer, get back out there and good luck.

I was bow hunting and misjudged the range on a deer and bounce the arrow off of the back. A couple of days later a fellow hunting in the same area shot it. It was funny, we were both at the check station and he mentioned that his deer had a small cut across it's back. I spoke up and told him of my near miss.
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I hunted deer with hounds for years. We'd drive a piece of woods today, and come back tomorrow and jump deer in the same place we'd found them yesterday.

They're sort of like big rabbits.
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I actually put my scope back on my .270 and was using that rifle. I shot her at approximately 20 yards, dead straight on, right in her chest. I have dropped deer with that shot before. As far as "only" searching for an hour and a half, some of us do not have three or four hours to walk around the woods at night. I have a family at home (over an hour away from where I hunt). I am more concerned about getting home to them before too late than I am finding a deer, especially when all I have to go on is a general direction (she was behind trees once she took off) that it ran and one drop of blood at the spot where I shot her.
I would suggest to you that you do not have the time to properly "hunt" and therefore you might possibly want to consider another field of endeavor. It's true that you owe certain things to your family. However, you owe certain things to the game animal and if those two opposing responsibilities are not congruent, it's time to make a decision.

Personally, it's hard for me to envision any kind of hit in a vital area at a range of twenty yards with a .270 that will not produce any blood at all unless some sort of head/neck shot was attempted. At this point in time I will refrain from comment relative to my feelings about head shots.

All of this not withstanding, it's decision time IMHO.

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I have had deer drop. From a hit with a 7 mm, 25-06 at long range that dropped on the spot and others that have run at only a 40 yd shot with the same round and a 30-06, 45-70 who ran quite a distance. You never know what will happen.
I Just search as long as I can for my game haven't lost one in the past 40+ years.
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Who knows what goes thru a deers mind, not too much I suspect unless it's an older/wiser animal. They don't get old by being stupid in more populated areas. If you are going to walk around an area to be hunted, I tried to touch as little as possible with my hands and use a rubber soled boot after walking thru the chicken coop or other found scat to try and cover human scent. At 20 yards a bullet can easily pencil thru leaving a small hole that can be clogged with fat. (what I think MAY have happened) If interested in an armchair opinion, you could have waited a bit for a better shot angle, & longer before going after it. I see no problem hunting the same area again, just don't expect to see a wise old buck or doe, but you never know.
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I have hunted deer in most of the states east if the Mississippi ,stalk handgun is my favorite but I have stand hunted ,hunted deer being driven by dogs haven't bow hunted them ( yet) and I can tell you I have seen deer lose well trained dogs in broad daylight ,I have watched with binoculars as hunters walked right by a large buck laying in a picked! Bean field ( I mean within 25 feet ) not finding a deer wounded at night by flashlight is easy to happen .My guess is 1 that 270 round didn't have time to expand and as stated above just went in and out with little blood ,this would depend on the actual bullet construction ,whether any bone was hit and size of deer,2 and a way more probable possibility is and don't get mad but you may not have hit square dead on after all .At 20 yards through a scoped rifle set up for say 100 to 300 yard dead hold it's hard to Kentucky windage a close shot now hear me out .At that range with a 270 Winchester there would have been traumatic damage internally from hydrostatic energy as that bullet moving at 2900 fps went thru that chest cavity I mean traumatic ( even with a through and through ) but also the possibility of not hitting bone with a dead center chest hit is very unlikely .i have seen just as many really close in shots missed with a scoped rifle as I have farther off shots missed with an open sight rifle .My guess is you grazed that deer and she will not make that mistake again but you should be good to hunt that spot the next day if it's a good spot.I shot " at" a deer in eastern NC a few years ago with a slug gun and I would have sworn he fell and rolled over .After a couple of hours of searching my uncle said ok take me to where you actually pulled the trigger so I did ,he stars looking and walking to where the deer was and looks up and sees this big ole spot torn out of a pine tree about 12 feet up and starts roaring and pointing to where that slug hit that tree .I said but I swear I thought he rolled over into that ditch my uncle said he did ( in laughter at your recoil sensitive behind Mr I'm a big handgun hunter) yea it was a long night at the hunters camp for me as he told that story a dozen times .So I'll not be too harsh with my statements as any cop will tell you eyewitness testimony is very unreliable because I missed that deer by at least a foot at maybe 30 yards which would have been an easy kill with my 629-1 open sight revolver but a scoped slug gun .Well there ya have it why I can never go back to North Carolina again to hunt lol.True story.
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Sorry sweet but I just gotta ask. If you shot the tree 12' up, how could you have missed the deer "by about a foot"?
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WOW, you guys are tough. Guy comes here and admits he missed which as a deer hunter is difficult enough and you pounce because he didn't sleep in the woods that night.

It's a late day shot and night is falling. You search for an hour and a half using a flashlight and can not find any additional sign of where the deer went. You can cover a lot of ground in 90 minutes. Personally, if I had looked for that amount of time and could not find (in the dark) any more evidence that the deer was mortally wounded, I would have given up too. Chances are that it was only a nick and the drop of blood was from a scratch.

Had the deer been shot in the center of the chest at 20 yards with a .270, there would have been much more blood or the body would have been close by.

Let's give the guy a break. I'm sure he feels bad enough. I know I did when I lost mine.
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Searching for a deer in the dark is the pits. Hard enough in heavy cover in the daylight. We eventually learned to quit hunting at noon of the last day if we had a "long" drive home.
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I would suggest to you that you do not have the time to properly "hunt" and therefore you might possibly want to consider another field of endeavor. It's true that you owe certain things to your family. However, you owe certain things to the game animal and if those two opposing responsibilities are not congruent, it's time to make a decision.


All of this not withstanding, it's decision time IMHO.

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The funny thing is, the deer did a back flip and landed on her back when I shot her. When she got up, she fell one more time before running off, so I know I hit her. What we think happened is that there was no exit, so it would take the time for the chest cavity to fill up before the deer would die. And, in case anybody is wondering, a deer can run a long time on adrenaline before expiring.

I will say this, it is good to know that there are plenty of experts running around the internet, who are also capable of telling people whether they are right or wrong, especially without ever meeting them... Man, psychologists really are a rip-off, they actually charge you money...
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SCAR333.....Go back & hunt you haven't tainted the woods.......Tuesday evening I put corn on 3 stands(drove my truck to each location. Got out & dumped the corn) at my stand at 345pm.....Drove back to my parking place and walked back to my stand.....By 6pm I had deer on each pile I had placed.....Good Luck to you!

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I am a hunter.
You said your deer did a flip when hit.
A .270 caliber is a fine round.
I believe you just "nicked" this deer with only a very superficial wound.
This deer is alive today, healing up and somewhat spooked.
Wouldn't surprise me that this deer is out feeding at night,and will heal up just fine.
Deer do have life and death memories.
She will be very careful, get bred by a buck and have birth in February/March.
You have learned a lot this season and this will help you become a much better hunter,
I am long in the "tooth" here, and yes I have lost more than 1 deer.
Mother Nature will take care of this doe carcass if I am wrong about your shot placement.
Get out and hunt again now and put this current occasion to your field education.
And,,,,,Thanks for posting this.
It took "intestinal fortitude" to do this. ,,,,,mc,,,,,
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I just hope with all the post here you read you learn from this. I was not there so I will not judge you.
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"i am not concerned about the dead deer"

it would be better if you kept such comments to yourself as hunting has enough enemies out there that attempt to capitalize on such flippant "hunting" comments.

s.carolina has nice winters. perhaps golf is yours "sport".

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Roger That!!

If it isn't, maybe it should be!

Like I said, it's decision time.

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How long do you think I should leave it alone before hunting that field again?
I have a few nice hunting rifles but I don't hunt
Please explain why people go into the fields or woods looking for deer
Just post on Internet you don't hunt and deer will come to your front lawn
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Maybe hunting deer under the conditions depicted in that photo would best suit the OP.

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You guys keep chapping the OP for his post.....ANYONE who has spent years/lifetime hunting will sooner of later loose a game animal.....We don't like it and try recovery to our limits......You need to leave this guy alone.....Its easy to be a keyboard commando....
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You guys keep chapping the OP for his post.....ANYONE who has spent years/lifetime hunting will sooner of later loose a game animal.
Absolutely!

However, the issue isn't the fact that the animal was lost but the nonchalant attitude with "I have better things to do" type of statements. I myself lost an 8 pointer about 8 years ago. I spent 5+ hours looking for it alone through an old clearcut aspen jungle and a semi-frozen cedar swamp. I was 60+ years old at the time, by myself and suffering from CHF. My wife was having a fit about the fact that I was out in the woods alone at the time. I felt so badly after I couldn't recover the buck that I serious contemplated hanging it up. My health forced it on me 3 seasons later. So......., it's not like I haven't been there /done that.

I was taught that if you can't spend the time to find wounded game, you shouldn't be hunting. Sort of like your Dad telling you that if you can't afford to lose, you shouldn't be in the game.

Just a different take on the situation I guess.

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