Now I have a question,does it make any different if you are carrying a weapon,if you are the person who get shot first and be killed because of the element of surprise? You can be the first to get killed and be armed. I always carry,but just because i'm armed doesn't mean I want be the one killed.

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Does it make any difference?

Of course it does. If you get killed, you're dead, and you won't be coming back. Doesn't matter if you were armed or not.

Or maybe I don't understand your question, I don't know.

Huh?

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There is an old saying out there that say's, you can do everything right and still get killed.

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Stay safe people!

I'm not sure what you are trying to ask.

The only topic I can think of that fits your post (kind of) is if you are asking the difference between carrying concealed or open carrying.

Please clarify your post.

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So many S&W's, so few funds!!

Do what?? hardcase60

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You want me to do what?

It seems to me that open carry will get you killed faster than concealed carry. If they know you are armed, you become target #1.

Maybe O P means just cause your carrying dosnt me you might get killed too. Highly possible if your situation awarness is off and bad guys gets the jump. Not sure O P wise ?

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People, for years, have been saying the first rule of a gunfight is to have a gun....NOT TRUE. Clint Smith says, the first rule of a gunfight is...Don't get Shot!!!.
Everything else pales in comparison. He also says..Even if they kill you, Kill
em back!! He means Never stop fighting. Never.
In Tennessee this past week end a good man with a gun stopped a bad man with a gun.
He did 2 things right, he didn't get shot and he had access to a gun.
I like ya'll am confused about the op's post. Maybe I addressed it and Maybe Not!

My point is just because you are carrying,doesn't mean you want be the one killed.I read where lots of people think just because they are armed,they are safe from getting killed.That's my point!

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No, no, please, no!

Can open, worms everywhere!

One thing I will remember from a post years ago about defending yourself: You can do everything right and still get killed.

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Why duck?? It's a 9mm!

Double "Huh?" with and additional "What?"

I'm more worried about half the idiots I share the road with

Will it work on bears?

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Do or do not. There is no try.

Otay then! Works for me!

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So many S&W's, so few funds!!

Your posts make zero sense. But I shall read on in hope they eventually do.

Be safe.

This qualifies as Tuna Logic, and is as clear as mud in a slough.

I may be wrong , but isn't the point of carrying that you are trying not to be harmed? You have to be willing to use the darned weapon! It is not a magic talisman that wards off evil of it's own volition.

We know what you're driving at, but perhaps you'd like to parse your declarations more succinctly?

"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be..."

I too had difficulty understanding what the OP was trying to say. It might help to recall that many police studies of officers killed or wounded in the line of duty lost their encounter because of poor mindset, judgment and tactics. Often, they are shot before they could draw their weapon. Having a gun does not guaranty success.

Some of us are smarter than others.I salute you!

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30 + years as a Firefighter/Medic taught me a lot of things......first and foremost...when your time is up, it's up. Won't matter what you did or didn't do.

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I think I understand what the O/P is asking. No having a gun on your person or in your hand does not mean you can't or won't be injured or killed. Only common sense, training, and luck will determine the outcome of any fight.
I hope this answers the question.

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Okay. I get it now. Just wasn't clear on it before.

In that case I demand to be advised of my expiration date. hardcase60

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You want me to do what?

I just read this somewhere-----

"All of the tips and advise is all well and good, I have even picked up on one or so........ I have only one to add.
You must be willing.... to engage..... use all the force you have.... do not relent until it is finished. Then reload."

Author unknown

No sane person believes if one carries a firearm one is immune to injury or death. This premus is ridiculous.

It sounds like something Jeff Cooper would have said, and it's good advice.

I would only add one thing- using disparity of force if possible.

My philosophy for years has been:

Plan A- Walk away. If they won't allow it, go to Plan B.

Plan B- Win.

I think the OP is pointing out by asking a question that an armed person can be caught by surprise and be killed before he can defend himself.

Well the next person that happens to will not be the first. Someone above stated the best rule of gunfighting. Don’t get shot. To avoid in a scanario as described by the OP the first rule is don’t get surprised. To avoid being surprised fine tune situational awareness skills and and be compulsive about employing those skills all the time, even when you are in your home. No guarantee of success but better odds of it.

In the real world NOTHING is a sure thing. Let's say you got your gun aimed first but the perp physically attacks you and effectively blocks you from using your gun. That's just one thing that can go wrong.

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That situation must be handled by learning close quarter gunfighting methods. I use the Center Axis Relock (CAR) system. In the situation you describe I would use my left hand and arm to fend off the attack while drawing my pistol and placing it tight to mu chest and aimed at the perp.

Unlike most training stances CAR keeps your gun closer to your body and protected. So it would be arm thrust, draw, bang, bang. Call 911 ask for EMT and LEO.

Clint was right as far as he went. Rule One is "Avoid gunfights. If you can't avoid one, win it."

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Oh well, what the hell.

How about this?

Now I have a question: Does it make any difference if you are carrying a weapon if you are the person who gets shot first? If you are killed because you are surprised, clearly, being armed did not help you.

Think about it: You can be armed yet the first to be killed. I always carry, but simply because I'm armed doesn't mean I won’t be killed by a bad guy before I even notice he is there.

Situational awareness at all times is important!

I don't think "Element of surprise" plays into this. I think that if you had to label it it would be more appropriate to call it "Magic thinking."

There are a bunch of people out there who think all they have to do is have a gun and they're somehow magically shielded.

Unfortunately this is a Worldview issue and I have no idea how to overcome it.

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I vote for richardw's responses in post 28 and 30 as the best advice
for OP's inquiry. I would have said the same things, but not as well.

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In Omnia Paratus

Just because you are packing a gun it does not mean that someone cannot sneak up behind you and stab you in the back, then exclaim... Teach you to bring a gun to a knife fight!

Owning a musical instrument does not make one a musician....

Anymore than owning/carrying a firearm makes one truly armed.

It's all in the preparation...........Pre Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

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If you could see into the future, only then could you guarantee success.

Armed or not mindset, situation awareness, and preparation will put you in a better position to prevail. Luck has nothing to do with it.

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Life Is A Gift. Defend it!

And I keep guns at the ready in the house. I could either not have a chance to use them or lose the gun to an aggressive, feisty perp and get shot with it myself. Again, having a gun doesn't make you immune to losing a bad situation when the perps catch you off guard.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

I always wear my seat belt, but that doesn't mean I want to get in an accident or die in a care wreck. Doesn't mean I won't get killed in a wreck either.

What exactly do you mean by "My point is just because you are carrying,doesn't mean you want be the one killed."

That makes no sense, of course you don't want to be the one killed.

Or did/do you mean -- doesn't mean you WANT TO be the one killed. --- ..?????

Years of similar experience plus Infantry and Aviation in the Army taught me that it very often does matter what you did or didn't do. This goes for the patient as well as the first responder.
There are times that the clock runs out and that's it. Time is up. End of the road. But I have experienced many situations where some intervention simply reset the clock.
Maybe i misunderstood what you were saying. If so, my apologies!

Just what I was going to say. Recently there was a slow down on the freeway a few miles from here. A distracted big rig driver rear-ended a car and killed the occupants, despite the fact that they were doing everything right.

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A little mantra I learned, through experience,
when I was 17 and has served me well for
65 years:
It is better to give than to receive,
so do unto others before they do unto you.

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In Omnia Paratus

Nope, you didn't misunderstand. That pendulum swings both ways. I've seen patients that I wouldn't believe I'd get them to ER do fine (I like to think I made a difference), whereas other patients crash for seemingly no reason and don't make it despite all efforts.

Those really bad patients that make it, it wasn't their time, those that don't, it was.

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Another way of looking at it is the clock didn't reset, it just wasn't their time

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Ken Hackathorn uses 2 stories in his classes that are really worth remembering.
1. Somebody could walk into the lecture hall at Gunsite on Wednesday during the program and start shooting when he opened the door and would get several hits before he got return fire. Nothing can stop a determined shooter with the element of surprise immediately.
2. The three cornered "Triad of Safety" is...Be Aware...Have a Plan...Have a Weapon. He points out that the ONE thing in the triad you can do without is...The Weapon.
Keep your wits about you, and don't stumble through life expecting some one else to keep you safe.

I think he ^^^^^^^^ said it best.^^^^^^^^^

I think his point was that just having a gun on your person doesn't guarantee your safety. Couldn't agree more. Actually, all we can do is prepare and be aware of our surroundings. Wearing a seat belt doesn't guarantee we won't be hurt or killed in a traffic accident either. Now carrying a rabbits foot is an entirely different story!

It depends what kind of gun you have. What kind of gun do you recommend for bears??

for "want", read "won't"