apprehend the driver....impound their vehicle, impose a fine of $10,000 and a year of community service......

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i dont need to visit U tube.... i see it live every day.....

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and the news media is ALWAYS perfectly accurate.....

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Wrong - in most states, the left lane is classified as a PASSING lane and traffic is to keep right EXCEPT to pass. Driving too slow in the left lane can get one cited for impeding the flow of traffic - it did my ex FIL. Doing 55 in the left lane of a 70 mph road cost him $150 (years ago) since the cop watched him refuse to pull over and folks were having to pass him on the right.

Don't be that person;

And it is not required that a person drive the speed limit all the way to a stop. Then slam on the brakes, wait to go and burn rubber getting up speed again. I watch people do this in amazement, and then laugh when I end up right behind them from light to light driving the speed limit using safe driving habits.

I've always wondered, do they take the car type and condition into account when calculating that?

The problem with Shouldazagged's sister isn't the speed she's driving, it's the fact that she's driving in the left lane.

Here's another thought about that subject: Regardless of the posted speed limit, people who drive very much above or below the speed of the traffic around them are at a much greater risk of having an accident.

The Safety Impacts of Differential Speed Limits on Rural Interstate Highways - FHWA-HRT-04-156

In a word...no. It is the actions of drivers, not the types of vehicles they drive, that determines speed limits (at least from an engineering perspective).

When traffic engineers set speed limits, they use the 85th percentile of driven speeds as a guide. This ensures that the behavior of most motorists will be held legal, and that only a small percentage of the motoring public will be potential violators.

Frequently Asked Questions - National Motorists Association

Not in Nevada, Georgia, Florida, New Jersey, California. Utah, Texas, Montana, Arizona or the majority any of the other states I have driven through.

At least you call them the US name "Traffic Circle", not the Brit name, "Roundabout" like our highway dept. does.

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Remember to never stop at a stop sign if you are being followed by a bicyclist.........in W. Pa. they will pass your stopped vehicle on the right and just roll through the sign ......... it's their right you know!!!!

Oh ya ....... then they move into the middle of the lane and continue 2 abreast at 15 mph!!!

Here's another thought about that subject: Regardless of the posted speed limit, people who drive very much above or below the speed of the traffic around them are at a much greater risk of having an accident.[/QUOTE]

More like causing an accident for others IMO. I have seen speed limit signs with both minimum and maximum speeds posted. I see my share of Q-TIPS (white hairs barely visible over the steering wheel) driving slow in the passing lane with a directional on for miles. Them being ticketed, not so much. We are all gonna get to that age, hopefully. I'd rather see the aggressive/tailgaiters ticketed.

Here in my part of PA the morons do rolling stops through right turn on reds the same as they do for stop signs.

Here in Washington, not enough people were getting killed, so they have started putting "roundabouts" or "Traffic Circles". Of course, like stop signs, big rigs don't even have to slow down.

Lol yep! I'll admit I do that but only when I can see the traffic as I'm pulling up to the intersection. If I can see there's no cars or cars very far away I'll roll through. Otherwise I stop and look

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Oh hey you should see NJ! Nothing but roundabouts and jug handles. Unfortunately they aren't consistent with where and what side the jug handles will be nor do they put up signs telling you! The jug handles can be before the light or after the light or on the other side!!!

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Yep and the morons of PennDot are going to put “Roudabouts” on 222 North to Allentown instead of fixing the real problem of updating the road.!

People making right turns on Red need to be conscious of their own vehicles position and on the lookout for traffic from all directions (just like any other driver at any time.)
Distracted/elderly drivers taking right turns on red from the center/left lanes almost collided with me twice in one summer when I had my motorcycle. In fact, it was one of the main reasons I sold the bike. Life is too short to argue traffic regs from a wheelchair.

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I've considered buying a beater 1 ton pickup and having my neighbor who is a welder build me some bumpers made from 5" iron pipe. Maybe put an air horn on it to give the people a thrill before I plow thru them.

I got the idea from that movie the Road Warrior.

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I'll do a creep through the intersection of both when positive the way is clear. My last citation was for a moving right on red 20 years ago. I saw the yellow but was paying more attention to the cyclist turning circles on the corner sidewalk. When in doubt I maintain course and speed and was nabbed by a very attractive member of HPD's motor patrol.
Some municipalities in the area are OK with the rolling stops as long as they are performed in a "safe and prudent manner". Open to interpretation I'll continue to drive as I do until I find different.

More like causing an accident for others IMO. I have seen speed limit signs with both minimum and maximum speeds posted. I see my share of Q-TIPS (white hairs barely visible over the steering wheel) driving slow in the passing lane with a directional on for miles. Them being ticketed, not so much. We are all gonna get to that age, hopefully. I'd rather see the aggressive/tailgaiters ticketed.[/QUOTE]

Here in Arizona we call the condition you describe above being "Buicked". At this time of year when you see an apparently driverless Buick with out of state plates on a two lane road in front of you it's necessary to prepare for a very slow drive.
Jim

When I lived in CO back in the 80s, one guy I knew did just that - a piece of 6" Sch. 80 cut long-wise then welded to have a large curved bumper, (looked almost like a guardrail). Every now and then he was real tempted to "put someone into the wall" (to borrow a NASCAR phrase) because they wouldn't pull over to let folks pass.

It's October and here in Florida, the snowbirds have started to arrive en masse. The slow ones I can pass; it's the ones on a major road that suddenly decide to go from the far right lane across three main lanes of moving traffic and hit the brakes trying to get into the left turn lane......A few years ago, near Christmas time, an elderly woman did that and killed a young kid on a motorcycle........didn't even realize she broadsided him.

I'll raise you the lady my girlfriend watched make a U-turn from the rightmost of a dual left left turn lane.

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What's wrong with "roundabout"? Why use two words when there is one that works?

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Yes, all NHP troopers have the concepts of "discretion" and "mercy" surgically removed at the academy.

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We used to go from Reno to Winnemucca a lot; nothing less than 90 (except for Lovelock) otherwise someone in their Prius would be honking at you to get out of their way...........That said, 395 between Reno and Carson was one big speed trap before the new highway......

LOL. My tow rig, RAM 2500 little lift and 35s always has right of way. Only a few brave souls pull in front of it, and those that do get it up the road fast. My poor daily driver yaris never intimidates anyone haha.

"Widespread use of the modern 'roundabout' began when the UK's Transport Research Laboratory engineers re-engineered circular intersections during the 1960s."

"The first modern 'roundabout' in the United States was constructed in Summerlin, Nevada in 1990."

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Interesting! In New Jersey they're called WT# or sometimes Holly Sh.... Look out

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I find I drive a lot through the Hamptons in New York. I've come to the conclusion that right of way at intersections and the practice of pulling out of driveways isn't based on any motor vehicle code. The driver pulling out in front of you has usually made a quick estimate of comparative net worth and determined you should be stopping for him.

I for one certainly hope he is........but in today's world you just never know do you???

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Exactly - my first experience with them was when I was interacting with Foster Wheeler in Livingston NJ and had to go through one after another after another. They are REAL popular here in The Villages, THE retirement center of Florida.....add golf carts into the mix and it gets really fun!

I recently moved back to MO. A pleasant surprise was that they have enacted "Yielding left turn on a blinking yellow arrow." There were intersection where you could sit for several cycles of lights before getting a green arrow. Now your chances of getting through the intersection in a timely manner are improved.

Thee original intent of the roundabout was to speed up traffic flow by eliminating stop signs and stop signals.....however, if you have ever been in and around Boston, you will know that that result was mis-thoughout. In Boston, you can get killed just trying to get into the roundabout.................Now in NC the department of highways has discovered them and they are going nuts with them......I guess they are running low on traffic signals here, or running out of wire???????

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A roundabout is a one-time expense. traffic lights cost more, require electricity and changing burned out bulbs.

Always wanted to do like W.C. Fields in "If I Had a Million"!

"Road Hog!"

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I'm not so sure the 1990 date is correct for the first "modern" traffic circle. When I was young the only roundabout I ever drove through was in Brownwood, TX. I'm talking mid to late 70s here, and it wasn't new at that time. I hated that darned thing mostly because it was odd and unusual; at least it was in my experience at the time.

The thing was removed years ago (some time in the 90s if memory serves) in favor of a "normal" intersection with lights. There may be others in Texas, but I've not encountered them.

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I know the car driver was wrong but I wonder why the bus was not in the right hand lane to pick up passengers? I saw this happen in Baltimore city years ago. A state transit bus blew past a stopped school bus with lights flashing and picking up students. Called to report him to the MTA and was told you don't have to stop for school buses in Baltimore city as they have a population over a certain number (don't remember what it was quite a while ago) so cities over a certain population you don't need to stop for flashing school bus lights. Now this was over 40 years ago before I got smart enough to move out of that liberal state.


In Maryland most of the time all drivers are at fault, son was driving on a 25 mph road made a left turn, police coming from other direction on a blind curve was doing over 60 without lights flashing and ran over the front end of our vehicle totaling it. Boy got a ticket and our insurance had to pay for our car. By the way the officer told the investigating officer he was speeding and boy still got a ticket.

In Maryland the car making the right turn has the right of way. Friend was making a left turn on green arrow, Person making a right turn on red hit him. My friend making the left turn on green arrow got a ticket for failure to yield, went to court and got found guilty. Judge told him he should have used the left of the two lanes until the right lane was clear even though he had the right of way.


Yea like the illegals who drive without insurance and license, have a accident the move to another state before their court date and your insurance has to cover your damage, better hope you have full coverage and not just liability insurance on your paid off older vehicle and plenty of health insurence.

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