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Old 06-01-2018, 11:30 PM
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A Middle Georgia hiker was attacked by a coyote a couple of days ago. The hiker killed the yote with a pocket knife.
Will be interesting to see if the dog was rabid. I am going to have to insist that my folks arm themselves when they walk
and explore on the farm. There have been several instances of stray dogs acting aggressively in the neighborhood, too.

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That is odd, I would worry about rabies. I have seen a lot of coyotes , but, never one that just stood around once it knew I was around. Something wrong with that yote. Maybe pups nearby is the only other thing I can think. I don't wonder around without a gun , but never though of it as a 4 footed coyote defense. More apted to be attacked by say a badger, a mean cow or something. Ya, there actually are aggressive cows (far more than aggressive coyotes) or worse bulls and a lot of the BLM and forest land here has stock on it. Over by my one brother's place there are quite a few wild horses and a wild stud horse can dangerous to a man on foot.

A coyote, who would have thought?

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A coyote with mange walked up my suburban neighborhood sidewalk at 10 in the morning. Figuring it was rabid too, called animal control and was given a lecture on how we need to share our environment with nature.

Looks like the Californians have arrived.
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A coyote with mange walked up my suburban neighborhood sidewalk at 10 in the morning. Figuring it was rabid too, called animal control and was given a lecture on how we need to share our environment with nature.

Looks like the Californians have arrived.
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So true Redlevel. I believe all the rabid coyotes should be trapped & released in the homeless camps here in Calif. Along the rivers & in the so called safe citys they would find a huge folk population of unwanted scumbags
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We were out on the ATV's in central Utah and saw a coyote about a hundred yards away, savagely attacking a small bush. I'm quite sure the coyote was rabid and we didn't stick around to see who won.
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All of a sudden just in the last month or two, people are complaining every day about a new stray dog problem on our neighborhood web site. I don't think it's the dogs that are bad as much as the owners.
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Someone read the linked article and ID the Benchmade (?) knife, please. I try to keep track of knives used in defense against animals.
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Someone read the linked article and ID the Benchmade (?) knife, please. I try to keep track of knives used in defense against animals.
I think that is a Mini-Griptilian or a full size Griptilian.

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A couple of years ago a friend who lives not far from Boston was walking his dog in the woods when a coyote started following them. The coyote was in good shape and didn't appear sick at all. It never attacked them but followed them at a distance for quite some time....

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Coyotes are potentially dangerous, as is any large canid

The man in the OP should have drawn and opened his knife before trying to pass the coyote. That 'd have saved valuable time.
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This type of incident is why I don’t step out of the car without a handgun on me, especially at our mountain house. My wife, on the other hand, truly believes animal attacks rarely happen.
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This type of incident is why I don’t step out of the car without a handgun on me, especially at our mountain house. My wife, on the other hand, truly believes animal attacks rarely happen.
Your wife is right. Even though it's been 30 + years since I've been involved in a traffic accident, I still fasten my seat belt every time I get in a car.
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We had a few instances of aggressive behavior from coyotes around here. I see their eyes in the woods at night with my headlamp while out with the dogs. Most animals will turn and run at some point. The 'yotes will stare you down for as long as you have a light on them. They seem to be vastly more emboldened, aggressive and unpredictable when they are in a group of 2 or more. I don't trust them. Not one bit.
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Why can't we all just get along with nature and all her lit'l critters???

Who would wantonly kill one of these creatures that shares our habit...…

I mean other than yours truly. I generally like a .204, but in a pinch will use whatever's handy.






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Oh snap another coyote thread. Those poor animals.
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I had to put down an attacking Pit Bull with a S&W .38Spl 2" AirWeight Body Guard a number of years a go. Glad I didn't have to resort to using the 2 1/4" Case in my pocket.
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No, my wife is not. Don’t confuse knowledge with stubbornness. I have had to shoot three stray dogs, two raccoons, a coyote cross, a possum, and a feral cat at that home since 2006. Bears are all around too. A positive attitude might turn an aggressive critter, but a Buffalo Bore or Underwood cartridge fired accurately will end aggression.
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I believe animal attacks rarely happen. But, they do!
But, guys rarely robbed or attacked guys like me. But, they do!
Cars very rarely have flat tires. But, they do!

I carry a spare tire and a gun.

Keith44, man that is one UGLY coyote.

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With everything I've put up with at the farm from coyotes, I'm in the "shoot on sight" camp.

My 72 year old sister lives on the farm and doesn't leave the house without her 3" Mdl 36. She was out picking blackberries either last year or the year before and got between a mother 'yote and her litter. She had an intense few minutes.

I don't like coyotes and I'm not sharing anything with them.
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Here in the front range, the coyotes are not scared of humans at all, they will follow you around on the golf course, investigate your back yard and eat your cat regardless of human presence.
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**** happens!

Animals are individuals, just like people. Some are bonkers! Some are jerks! In grad school (MS in Animal Behavior), I learned that birds are hard-wired differently from other animals. They literally think differently.


If the coyote isn't starving, I would bet on rabies. I have been "escorted" by a couple of cougars and a jaguar while walking in the bush. Just following me.
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Not the first recent Coyote attack in Georgia. Here are two more that occurred in the next town over from me. Each maybe 5 miles away from where I type this.

RABIES DETECTED IN ROSWELL, GA COYOTE... - Atlanta Coyote Project | Facebook

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Coyotes and other canids in packs will act differently than they do alone. I have never seen a solo coyote that stuck around when we saw each other, so I would think it was rabid or desperate for food. Either way - not messing with it. In the real world, most of the time, it will be stray dogs that are more dangerous, and coydogs will be too. Dogs have evolved to be less shy/afraid around humans. Even then, few dogs are dangerous in the same way as described here.
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We keep hearing about Coyote's with Wolf DNA here in the east......."bigger faster and stronger than before".......... maybe a different attitude about humans too?????
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A couple of years ago a friend who lives not far from Boston was walking his dog in the woods when a coyote started following them. The coyote was in good shape and didn't appear sick at all. It never attacked them but followed the at a distance for quite some time....

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In the woods on the trail or on the farm....always carry. You never want an aw ..shucks.. moment
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Why can't we all just get along with nature and all her lit'l critters???

Who would wantonly kill one of these creatures that shares our habit...…

I mean other than yours truly. I generally like a .204, but in a pinch will use whatever's handy.











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If I do resume hunting I will reduce the coyote packs. Coyotes 5 my cats 0. There killing everything here.

I get along with my 400lb blackbear better than the yotes.
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I had to put down an attacking Pit Bull with a S&W .38Spl 2" AirWeight Body Guard a number of years a go. Glad I didn't have to resort to using the 2 1/4" Case in my pocket.
Please describe the attack, the exact ammunition used, and where the bullets impacted on the animal and their effect.

I'm interested in such attacks and whether they might tell us which cartridges should be regarded as a minimum.

My brother once shot a Doberman that had been terrorizing the neighborhood. The owner felt smug about owning a big, dangerous dog and I think rather enjoyed the notoriety this generated.

My brother used a snub Model 60 S&W loaded with Winchester or Federal 158 grain lead Plus P SWC-HP ammo. I don't recall the brand.

The shooter, who is not a skilled, cool marksman, panicked and fired all five shots at the advancing dog. Only one bullet struck the mutt, in the right shoulder and angling down. Thus, the bullet did not reach a vital organ. We don't know if it expanded.

The dog yelped and ran back to his master's home next door. Hot words were exchanged and the dog's owner called police. Officers arrived and refused to make an arrest, and I suspect, pointed out to the owner that his dog was in violation of the leash law and was on neighboring property and attacking a person when shot.

The brother sold the M-60 and bought a CZ-75B 9mm. Not the best gun for the same reason one carries a snub .38: concealment. But a better gun for killing large dogs, if you have the gun on you when needed.

I was sorry to learn that the dog was taken to the vet and survived. But it never again entered my mother's yard.

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Pretty much, though the feral cat only died because it sprayed my Jeep.
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As an addendum, outdoor writer John H. Wootters, Jr. shot many coyotes and bobcats, most attracted by a wounded rabbit call. He told me that he usually used a Ruger Blackhawk .357 with hot 125 grain bullet loads, but that a warm .38 Special or a 9mm should work fine.

Skeeter Skelton hit a coyote with a 9mm Norma 116 (not 115) grain JHP back in the 1960's. The gun was a Browning Hi-Power. He wrote that the bullet pretty much ruined the lungs, which is as close as I'd better be in describing the effect on this board, which has many dog lovers and people queasy about reading honest bullet performance reports.

But Skeeter usually shot coyotes with a .357. He used a heavy .38-44 handload for the most part. The 146 grain lead HP bullet at about 1200 FPS expanded well and was devastating. It also stressed his S&W M-19 less than full power factory .357 ammo.

I think he took some deer with that .357 load, too.

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One of the reasons I carry a 296 in a fanny pack most of the time when walking my dogs is that I can make a contact shot if my dog gets attacked by another dog. (I'm almost never unarmed when out of my house, but sometimes its another gun.) I also wear heavy boots most of the time. For my dog's safety, I want a contact shot on the other dog to minimize risk to mine, and contact shots with an autopistol while chock full of adrenaline could result in pushing the gun out of battery.

As for morons that let their dogs run lose, I have no patience for that stuff. We have had big dogs, most public safe, for 30+ years. They still made the ignorant nervous, and a couple were not tolerant of strange dogs. We also had Bozo (avatar), and he was flat out dangerous to strangers. He was walked in a muzzle for a reason. There is no excuse for jackassery with one's pets - protective or not. My wife and Ruby (her Rott female) were attacked last week near our other house, and it's going to cost that owner a few hundred bucks in court. It simply did not need to happen, and the cops were real good about it. They did not bat an eye at my flat out statement that had it happened to me, I'd have probably shot the (intercourse)er. People who act like idiots get no patience from me - they get graveyard cop voice, direct and clear commands, and if they have not started RUNNING to address the problem within a second or so, I get more verbally assertive, including language that would take the paint off a battleship and make Ermey proud. There is no obligation to be nice to people like that, and if they don't like me and go home crying, that's fine by me.

As a side data point, I have "taken protective custody" of far more loose dogs and done what I could to get them home safely than I have had attack type problems. Bozo was pretty good with other dogs, and Ted LOVES them, as did Mack and Sasha. None of them would respond well to being attacked, but most of the time were happy to meet other dogs.
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I just finished installing the mount and holster for my Governor on the recumbent trike I have for the gravel trails (county parks) near me, the holster is on the boom directly in front of me. The Governor is currently loaded with triple O buck, the first two rounds are game control (rubber) loads, according to the description they are suitable for scaring off black bear or smaller.

The trails have some coyote and a mountain lion has been spotted on one of the trails over the last several years. I decided to mount the gun on the bike and carry my shoulder rig in a bag on the bike in case I need to leave the bike on its own. Laying down on the trike was causing the shoulder rig to cut into my arm pits and generally way to uncomfortable for an extended 4 hour plus ride. So far no attacks near me, but I don't want to be the test case. I did get to watch a raccoon come out of the woods climb into a trash can, rummage around for a while and leave with almost a complete Big Mack (including rapper).
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They've become pretty brazen in my 'hood. I've started carrying a strong light & a .22 when I take my dog out to do his business.

Saw a brief thing on the news about an attack on a 5 year old this evening.
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I use to run every night in the desert when I lived in a house at the very end of town...miles of open desert just across the street. I always carried a Sig P226 in .40 cal.. I had about 10 days straight where I was hearing coyote howls within I'm guessing 50 yards of me. There were several of them, I'd guess at least 5 by the howling, probably more. It's almost like they knew I was coming. For a couple days the howling got closer, then eventually, within 15 to 20 yards.. I carried no light, as even when there wasn't much moon I could see plenty well enough to run my path. But the second night they got that close, it was a pretty aggressive sounding bunch of howls, kind of like growling mixed in. Even stopped and staring into the direction of the howls I couldn't see them. I forget but probably not much of a moon out those nights. I knew that area well, and knew no other ppl were out there, and shooting where you can't see is generally a no no - but I yelled out trying to scare the coyotes away, and yelled a warning to anyone that may have been out there to make their presence known as I was about to open fire on the coyotes. No response from human voice, and continued aggressive howling, I opened fire for 5 or 6 rounds. The howling stopped. I went out the next morning to see if I'd find any dead coyotes, but found nothing. I never had that problem again. Every now and then I'd hear one in the far distance - like a hundred yards away I'd guess, but never had that problem again. Shortly thereafter I started carrying a light. Coyote attacks on ppl are rare, but I'm pretty sure I would have been had I not fired some rounds off. Even though attacks are rare, the howling was so close the night before I was a little uneasy about running that night, and as many as I had been hearing, had they charged and attacked - it would have been a lot of spray and pray point blank shooting most likely...lesson learned - mount light on pistol or at least carry one when in desert. The End...
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Last summer one of my Brother-In-Laws said he was walking his dog in the local town cemetery. He was surprised too see three coyotes following them. Then one coyote appeared in front of them and seemed to be trying to lure his dog away. I told him the other two were probably waiting in ambush.

Last week one of my nieces was sitting in her back yard in Columbus. A neighbors dog jumped the fence and attacked her. She is still in the hospital and I don't know the breed of the dog or what could have provoked the attack.

I like dogs and have had at least one most of my life. However I have no patience for an oddly behaving or aggressive canine.
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I use to run every night in the desert when I lived in a house at the very end of town...miles of open desert just across the street. I always carried a Sig P226 in .40 cal.. I had about 10 days straight where I was hearing coyote howls within I'm guessing 50 yards of me. There were several of them, I'd guess at least 5 by the howling, probably more. It's almost like they knew I was coming. For a couple days the howling got closer, then eventually, within 15 to 20 yards.. I carried no light, as even when there wasn't much moon I could see plenty well enough to run my path. But the second night they got that close, it was a pretty aggressive sounding bunch of howls, kind of like growling mixed in. Even stopped and staring into the direction of the howls I couldn't see them. I forget but probably not much of a moon out those nights. I knew that area well, and knew no other ppl were out there, and shooting where you can't see is generally a no no - but I yelled out trying to scare the coyotes away, and yelled a warning to anyone that may have been out there to make their presence known as I was about to open fire on the coyotes. No response from human voice, and continued aggressive howling, I opened fire for 5 or 6 rounds. The howling stopped. I went out the next morning to see if I'd find any dead coyotes, but found nothing. I never had that problem again. Every now and then I'd hear one in the far distance - like a hundred yards away I'd guess, but never had that problem again. Shortly thereafter I started carrying a light. Coyote attacks on ppl are rare, but I'm pretty sure I would have been had I not fired some rounds off. Even though attacks are rare, the howling was so close the night before I was a little uneasy about running that night, and as many as I had been hearing, had they charged and attacked - it would have been a lot of spray and pray point blank shooting most likely...lesson learned - mount light on pistol or at least carry one when in desert. The End...
I can't believe you were without a light. Could you see snakes if you couldn't see coyotes?!
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Last summer one of my Brother-In-Laws said he was walking his dog in the local town cemetery. He was surprised too see three coyotes following them. Then one coyote appeared in front of them and seemed to be trying to lure his dog away. I told him the other two were probably waiting in ambush.<br />
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Last week one of my nieces was sitting in her back yard in Columbus. A neighbors dog jumped the fence and attacked her. She is still in the hospital and I don't know the breed of the dog or what could have provoked the attack. <br />
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I like dogs and have had at least one most of my life. However I have no patience for an oddly behaving or aggressive canine.


Sorry your family is going through that crisis.
My thoughts and prayers are with your niece.

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On a friend's ranch, it was understood any coyote seen after daylight was fair game. I've shot a couple at up to 100 yards with a 22 mag rifle.
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We have coyotes throughout our neighborhood. They have killed a number of pet cats and show up dead sometimes on our lawns in the morning. All I can think of is that the poor things must have had simultaneous heart attacks?
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#4 Buck works good out to 40 yds or so. Also found that about a modified choke worked better than full choke The local government guy uses Fed Premium BBs out of the airplane. Usually with a 10 ga. The young coyotes here are kinda bold...the older ones are much wiser. The coyotes round the ranch here are a bit intimidated....but momma has now gotten some laying hens...and very soon some guineas...to bait those yotes I think!
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I can't believe you were without a light. Could you see snakes if you couldn't see coyotes?!

I doubt it lol. Possibly if it was in the middle of the trail. That being said, I've lived in Vegas over 20 years now (No I don't gamble or even drink - a little out of my element lol) I've only seen one small snake in the entire state, by a small lake near Alamo, Nv. Don't even think it was venomous. Most of my hiking is in winter as Summers are brutal out here. I use to really pay attention, but I must admit I've been growing complacent. I grew up in Texas, and they were every where down there. Funny you ask that though, I was just checking a thread of mine I started a few days ago before I head out for some sunset shooting in the desert. I just put my light in the range bag, and my light to put on my pistol. I won't be far from the vehicle today tho. And yes, it was stupid of me to be out there without a light when that incident occurred, especially since the night before the coyotes had moved in too close for comfort.
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I live in the city and we do have problems with Coyotes. They first started appearing around 15 years ago. They are now fairly common in the city’s parks and neighborhoods. There are cases of Coyotes snatching people’s pets when out for a walk.
Animal Control policy is to be aware and avoid areas where they are common. I have seen an adult male coyote wearing a radio tracking collar across the street from my house at 10:30 am.
There is also the occasional puma caught on surveillance videos in some of our neighborhoods. Only rich connected people are issued carry permits.
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Several years back, an aspiring young woman was killed in broad daylight by 2 coyotes, while she was hiking a trail in Nova Scotia. She was a musician who had just won a prestigious award for her music. Here in NEw England there have been a handful of incidents of backyard coyotes trying to pull small kids away from the yard, if that's not an attempt of predation I don't know what is. It happens elsewhere too, but seems like these incidents usually get discussed like they're no big deal. I don't see it that way. I don't trust coyotes a bit.
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when I was working ,, been 20 years now I would go in at 3AM so left the house about 2:15 .. the towns drunks would just be staggering home ,,

A couple of times I stopped and gave them a ride because a coyote was shadowing them 30 to 40 yards away ..

I really think they might have attacked them if they would have fell down and passed out .. couldn't have that on my mind all day wondering .. so would pick them up and drop them off at their homes .. it was also on the way ..

Picked one up one morning who was genuinely scared .. he had one following him and it got within 10 feet and Old Red was throwing rocks at it and it wouldn't run .. his jacket pocket was full of 2-3 inch rocks he had picked up .. next night I saw 2 of them walking together with a stick about 5 feet long ..
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That is odd, I would worry about rabies. I have seen a lot of coyotes , but, never one that just stood around once it knew I was around. Something wrong with that yote. Maybe pups nearby is the only other thing I can think. I don't wonder around without a gun , but never though of it as a 4 footed coyote defense. More apted to be attacked by say a badger, a mean cow or something. Ya, there actually are aggressive cows (far more than aggressive coyotes) or worse bulls and a lot of the BLM and forest land here has stock on it. Over by my one brother's place there are quite a few wild horses and a wild stud horse can dangerous to a man on foot.

A coyote, who would have thought?


Cows can indeed get pretty nasty. A neighbor of ours was killed when he got too close to one of his calves on an ATV. Mama didn’t like it.

About six months later I was riding an ATV across a dam on the family ranch where the cattle had congregated. Normally they shew away easily, but were acting almost belligerent. I thought about old Leonard and decided to take another route.
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My bet on the coyote is rabbis.
Dang rabbis. Always up to something or ‘nother!
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Teen boy attacked by coyote. Shows injuries, treated. Said he couldn't draw his knife as the animal kept going for his throat.

The singer killed in Canada was Taylor Mitchell. She had real talent and it's a shame she was killed at just 19. You can find her music on YouTube.
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