Looking at TRADING my Ruger 77.250 flat bolt for a Remington BDL .308 LH private party-private party. but FFL to FFL required

$40.00 Shipping from my FFL for my outgoing .250
$50.00 FFL transfer fee on incoming .308
$65.00 10% Wa.state sales tax on value of the .308 How FFL figures value ?
$155.00 total WOW!!

I believe my local FFL stated that there is also a $50.00 transfer fee for my outgoing .250 but not sure on this charge, puts the total at $205.00! Pretty much ruins the deal.
Any members have the same experience?

Ischia

I live in a free state so if I were trading I'd do it ftf and avoid all those charges. Transfers are $20 for out of state guns and shipping is considerably less than op figures. Go farther and do better is my advice.

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God spelled backwards is dog.

Here in metro Atlanta, GA most shops charge a $35.00 to $50.00 transaction fee plus shipping and insurance. One place charges 10% of the value of the item. There are a few places that will receive for a flat fee of $10.00 to $20.00 but they are not close to my area.

New York State, under the New York State Safe Act, made it illegal to sell FTF and not through an FFL, but since New York requires a FFL holder to have a State Firearms Dealers License also, they were able to set the fee, which is $10.00 and $10.00 only. Personally I like the idea of having a solid and airtight record of transfer as who knows what the next person or the one after that, or the person that stole it, did with it.

During the days that I had my gun shop I was called on by the ATF to provide information on what I did with firearms that had been sold by the manufacturer to a distributor, then on to me. One such instance was in the 70s, when I was required to report who, if anyone I had sold a Charter Arms, Bull Dog or .44 Special ammo to. All those 4473 are handing out there.

Most dealers in my area will do a transfer from out of state or a mail order house, for $35.00 for the first firearm an $10.00 each for all subsequent ones done within 30 days.

Bob

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Sag Harbor & Manhattan, N.Y.

Out here all gun transactions have to go through an FFl. And the FFL is allowed to set his own fee to do the transfer. Reportedly, there is one shop that charges $300 to do the transfer. They want to sell you a new one, rather than do the paperwork and hold the gun for the 10 days on a private party deal or web order.

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Peace was my Profession

If you are in a free state a long gun can be shipped directly by you to the other guy’s FFL, just include a copy of your drivers license.

New York allows the receipt of Long Arms directly from individuals with a copy of the senders Driver's License also and even hand guns from some states, but that is limited.

I am really surprised that we have not been strapped with a waiting period here. Yet!

Bob

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Sag Harbor & Manhattan, N.Y.

From what states does NY allow it's FFLs/NYS Dealers to accept handgun shipments from non-FFL's.
It's been 'from an FFL' for in-coming shipments or nothing as far back as I can remember.
No other slots on the P12 for acquisitions other than FFL, NYS Dealer or NYS Pistol Permit Holder
A recent change perhaps?

Really not practical to do FTF when parties are 2000+ miles apart. Where is Derby City?

Ischia

I've done trades a few times. Rifle for rifle, rifle for pistol and pistol for pistol. Shipping to his FFL was less than 30 bucks, so having to go through an FFL, 40 ain't TOO FAR out of line. The time I shipped a pistol, I gave my FFL 25 bucks and he mailed it for 15.

50 dollars to receive - that's too much, in my opinion. I'd look for a different FFL.

10% sales tax on the value of the incoming gun? Yeah, I knew a dealer that did that. Stuck it in his pocket. He didn't make a sale. How could he collect tax. The most he could (legally, to my mind) charge tax on was the 40 dollar "receiving fee".

And another 50 to write it in his book and box it?

I hope he at least gives you a kiss.

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I always take precautions

I'd have to really, really want that trade to add that much money to the investment. I find it hard to believe that a state can charge sales tax on an even trade, but I know the Pacific Northwest regularly shows up as one of the most expensive places to live in the country. Thankfully, Missouri still allows FTF transactions between Missouri residents . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

Here in Florida, you are required to report and remit sales tax on internet purchases. I don't know of any individual that does that, but businesses must, and the tax is calculated at the fair market value if a trade is involved. Florida Dept of Revenue (DOR) make the IRS look like alter boys. Their attitude is, "you robbed us unless you prove differently."

However, I've never seen an FFL doing a transfer charge that tax and they aren't required to AFAIK. Here in Florida we also have a wistleblower rule so that if you report fraud to the DOR and they recover money from it, you get some of that money yourself (10% IIRC). So, if you think your FFL pocketed your sales tax, you may be able to report him/her . . .