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Confederate cemetery on Route 66
Jim Hinckley’s book on Route 66, America’s longest small town, says that the only Confederate veterans cemetery in the Route is at or near Cuberto , NM.
On google I can find two cemetarys in the area, Budville Cemetry just south of Cuberto and the San Fidel cemetery a short distance to the west.
Can anyone tell me which of these Hinckley is referring to? And are the Confederate graves clearly ma4ked and easy to get to?
Would be a shame not to visit when we are passing.
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I cannot. I am reminded of so many Civil War cemeteries, some I've personally seen, in terrible shambles. Often the grass is waist high and the tombstones broken to pieces or covered in graffiti.
The sad fact is that few care about the Civil War dead any longer. Just a footnote in history, a forgotten event breezed over in history class... sad.
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I am not aware of a Confederate cemetery that far west. There was a battle at Glorieta, east of Santa Fe, and a battle near Fort Craig, south of San Antonio, NM. Both are close to Interstate 25, but not near route 66. The Confederates entered New Mexico from the south, made it to Glorieta, lost their supply train, then went south and avoided contact with Union forces. That's just a brief summary, but it's all on the internet.
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The Sons of Confederate Veterans might be able to help as that organization does strive to identify and to maintain the gravesites of Confederate soldiers and sailors. There is or was an active SCV group in New Mexico that might be of some assistance. I have attached a screenshot of the contact information for a man who appears to be a point of contact with the SCV in New Mexico.
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There was the Battle of Picacho Peak in Arizona in 1862. The farthest west battle of the Civil War.
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Shark Bait is correct.
Cubero is way too far West for the Confederates.
They came up the Rio Grande to Albuquerque, Then to Santa Fe, then E-SE to Glorietta Pass.
There tne Union forces were waiting, the Rebs were defeated and retreated back to Texas.
There was a lot of action at nearby Canoncito
Did somebody mix up Cubero with Canoncito?
CANONCITO - New Mexico Ghost Town
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I have heard about Confederate graves in Socorro, but their locations are unknown. I think those were the result of the battle at Fort Craig when they were on their way into NM. I love all the history in this state.
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06-21-2018, 10:37 PM
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Like brjr51 said, the farthest west battle was fought in AZ.
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Hinckley mentions the battle at Glorietta Pass and the old hostelry at Pigeon Ranch which was used as a field hospital.
I suspect from the reference to Confederate veterans that it may be a post war cemetary if not a battle cemetary.
Did any Texan confederates relocate to New Mexico to avoid reconstruction or later and settle in the Cuberto area?
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Cubero is about 50 miles West of Albuquerque.
Most of the land there is Indian Land.
A number of Texas cattlemen came to NM post Civil War but they mostly went to East NM.
Repost , I have posted this before.
This is where, so the story goes, that Hemingway hid out and wrote Old Man and the Sea.
RT66? Standing on it to take the picture.
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Contacting the author of the book is certainly a good idea.
FYI, in or around 1952, as all may or may not be aware, Confederate veterans were determined by act of Congress to be U.S. Veterans. After that, many of their graves were marked with the same style headstones as were Union soldier graves. Quite a few of these former Confederate soldiers rest in private cemeteries and have those headstones.
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Back to the OP-
There is no Confederate Cemetery in Cubero, NM!
CSA soldiers who died during the invasion have been found All the way North from Texas up the Rio Grande East to the Glorietta Battle area.
CSA Veterans who passed later on are buried all over the place!
Where in NM can you find the most CSA graves?
Probably in the Santa Fe National Cemetery.
Putting to rest New Mexico's Civil War past : Confederate soldiers are reinterred. They died for a dream of seizing the Denver Mint's gold. - latimes
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KiwiCop, thank you for your desire to honor the Confederate Dead.
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Rebel graves
Confederate grave markers are peaked at the top, Union are rounded.
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Confederate grave markers are peaked at the top, Union are rounded.
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Something new I learned today...thank you.
A Story about Civil War Tombstones | Historic Houston:
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Good info.
Further, not all Confederate graves will necessarily be marked with this type of headstone. As I understand it, if a privately purchased headstone is preexisting, a marble or bronze plate foot stone was placed. I believe the marble and bronze foot stones were/are identical in style to those provided by the Veterans Administration to other US veterans.
Admittedly off topic for the OP, but maybe something of interest.
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I ahve e-mailed the author to see if I can get more information.
Will update the thread with what I learn.
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KiwiCop, thank you for your desire to honor the Confederate Dead.
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I spent my late teens reading the books of J T Edson, mainly the Rio Hondo Hardin/Fog/Blaze clan series and the other series' featuring those characters.
Fiction written by a Brit, yes, but it gave me an interest to learn more about the American west, and the Confederate States in particular.
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Not in NM, but there is a Confederate Cemetery on the grounds of Rock Island Arsenal in Rock Island Il. When I lived up there in the late 60's on Memorial Day they put the Stars and Bars on each of the 2000 graves and also flew it on the main flag pole below the National Flag. That practice was discontinued a number of years ago but the cemetery is maintained to the same standard as all national ones.
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Going 0 for 2 on Civil War Tombstone Pictures.
Can’t find my GGrandpa Sam who rode with Nathan Bedford Forrest.
He lived to 1917.
Also can’t find the Bama Boy who came to boom town, now ghost town,
Lake Valley, NM to get rich!
All he found was a final resting place.
Lake Valley New Mexico - Google Search
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Something I recall from years back --- When Sherman was a cadet at West Point he was an engineering major Part of his internship was to come to Georgia and map routes from TN ---- As part of his project he mapped the lands from TN to Atlanta and then Atlanta to the Georgia coast.
His mappings helped him in the in his movement in the War Between The States ( or the war of Northern Aggression , as its called down here )
Anyway what Sherman mapped between TN and Atlanta is now I 75 in it construction Many Southern Graves were Bull Dozed over and lost for ever along with entrenchments and Historical battle sites
The area from Atlanta - the Georgia Coast is now I16 again so many graves were lost both of the Confederate Side and the Slaves who followed him the the coast.
It is truly a shame that graves and historical sites are now under Home
Depots and Walmarts
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So,where near Fort Wingate?
Me Hinckley responded very quickly to my e-mail and sent me a link to ftwingate.org (Fort Wingate, 70 miles west of Cubero?).
Unfortunately the link is not working for me, although Mr Hinckley advises it works at his end (Flagstaff AZ).
Waiting to hear more soon.
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Ft. Wingates - these were two, are located just South of I-40 - RT66, Grants, NM
And then just East of Gallup, South of I40 -RT 66.
Out West, forts were closed and rearranged because of the Civil War.
A number of Forts were named for officers who resigned and went CSA.
These were renamed.
Neither of these locations had any direct action during the Civil War.
A surveyor told me about the first location at San Refeal, a small village South of Grants.
I tried locate it but was unsuccessful.
Later, I was at Sportsman’s Warehouse and talked to a guy from San Rafael who told me where it’s located.
It’s on private land about 2 miles from where I was looking.
History of Fort Wingate
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