This thread proves one thing FOR SURE. Some people just don't get it. They don't want to get it. They really don't see that they are part of the problem that the rest of us must overcome to succeed in getting through this. There is noting we can do about it.

Whether its stubbornness, ignorance, or just a different way of perceiving thing doesn't matter. They are out there folks. To me that is all the more reason to stay home.

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Nah. I'm good...

I'm truly sorry for you. I hope you have a very long life and those around you even longer.

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No one in this country is being forced to stay in their own home. That is what the Chinese did and it worked . We are only being asked to stay home and only go out for food medicine, etc. Even if we do this the deaths will be high. It would be much higher if we did nothing. I say read a book, paint a room, grow a garden. It will be over soon hopefully.

If the diseases causes DEATH, just exactly what "cure" are you talking about that could possibly be worse? We can recover from even the worst of the worst economic issues; Death? Not so much.

Keith Richards is already dead. He just didn't get the memo!

It's been nearly three weeks now that the wife and I have been confined to quarters, but we still go out to the supermarkets as needed (using all prudent precautions), and a few times through the Whataburger drive-thru.

It's mandatory we do all we can to prevent our getting COVID-19. We are both in the "high risk" category, my wife much more so than I, as she functions on only 1+ lung. So I am not fighting any of the social restrictions too much, even though I don't like them.

I haven't been off my porch for 3 weeks. The kids haven't been out of the yard for the same time. When Ruthie comes in (especially after a shift at the nursing home being around new admits from surrounding hospitals) she goes through an Andromeda Strain decontamination process in order to protect us.

All three of my doctors have urged me to stay inside as, like others here, I am in the riskiest category.

Covid19 has gotten my complete and undivided attention.

I don't want it! 😷

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The Declaration of Independence reads, in part: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." You have the right to liberty, which includes travel, but that right is no greater than the others' right to life. So long as your exercise of your right does not impinge others' rights to life have at it. The majority's right to life is greater than your, and others', rights to liberty or travel. It appears it is time for you walk a mile in your brother's and sister's shoes.

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I agree 100%. People always seems to forget two important things when talking about their rights.
1. Your rights do not supercede the rights of others; and
2. Each of our rights has limitations and responsibilities that go along with exercising them.

Another interesting bit that I learned from my US History classes over the years - in spite of how eloquent the writing in the Declaration of Independence (and it certainly is beautiful), NONE OF IT IS LAW.

Your wife is standing behind you isn't she???

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Well I'm staying away from people but I turkey hunt in the mornings and am doing this in the afternoons. "Fixin" my dove field. Doing some shooting too.

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Really has not been an issue for me. If I need something I run get it and go home. I really don't want to be out because I KNOW who they are letting out of the jails The Chief Justice of the state Supreme Court in a letter to the Judges basically said "give them a summons unless they've got the victim's blood on them.!" Our jail has 100 pre trial inmates most of those with probation/parole holds, The Judges were instructed to release holds and give them summons for their revocation hearings. I suspect that by the time we are done we MIGHT have 5-10 pretrial inmates in jail charged with stuff like beating their spouses, killing someone child molesters and such. Burglary????? Ha!-the Bail Bondsmen are taking it on the chin My BIG concern is that they cancel the internet and cable.......then I'm royally screwed
Thank the Lord I have enough stuff in the pipeline that I can work on-It is kinda nice to go lock myself in my office and work wearing shorts t-shirt and my Choice for President in 2020 baseball cap

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People have been known to do stupid things when they are hungry, don't have a home and have lost pretty much everything. Wars have been fought over it. Lets also not leave out that death has occurred in somewhere around 1% of the victims of the virus, some didn't even know they had it. An economic collapse may wind up killing far more in the long run.

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My drive shuttle Huntsville to Memphis and people are acting extra stupid crashes all over . I was involved DWI hit and run driving to work and chased him down caused $800+ damage to my car BS I didn't need. Go to the store buy you need and go home . Hope and pray none my loved ones or anyone of you get sick

I think it is important for all views of this situation to be aired. I do observe a slippery slope and I do not trust our political hacks unconditionally.

I can relate to the feelings of coltle6920, but having spent 49 years in healthcare I certainly understand the imperative need to control the spread of this virus. I have spoken with my colleagues who are on the frontline battling and trying to save lives on every shift. One of my friends, now in New York, described his 12 shift, and it was horrific.

This disease is real and deadly.

coltle6920 spoke of situational awareness but the problem is you have to be able to see the threat and this threat is invisible.

I do sympathize and also bristle with some of the condescending attitude of our elected officials, but will abide with the orders.

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Not much has changed for me, am already pretty much of a hermit. Still need to go out and get food, but do it locally with disinfectant. Have cut out going to supermarket as much, occasional trips 25 miles south to indoor gun range, fresh veggies, drugs (going mail order). Still go outside to tend yard/house, but not been to local range to shoot yet. Biggest change is no friday morn breakfest with the old local boys, and use credit card for gas.

Cool. You can be a "prisoner" in a respiratory ICU. Maybe Trump will send you a ventilator?

I don't know where you are getting your data, but that is just so completely wrong. There are only two possible outcomes of this virus. If you get infected, you either live or you die. In order to be in either category, your case must be a closed case. You must either be alive or be dead. The outcome is final.

To date, there are 266,000 closed cases throughout the world. Of those closed cases with a final outcome, the number of deaths is at 53,000. That is a death rate from around the entire world of 20%. It does not matter how many others are currently infected, their case is not yet closed.

Now on to the USA. 16,000+ closed cases. 6,075 deaths. That gives us a death rate of 36%. We have no other numbers. These are the facts. We have to assume that future numbers will be approximately the same. Those who are still sick have not yet become a closed case. As each case comes to a close, the number 1 will be added to either cured or dead. There is no other category.

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Well I can't stay long. Almost out of margarita mix for my tequila. Can't wait 'til tomorrow.

I totally sympathize with those of you that have underlying health conditions. What I do wonder is if you were otherwise healthy would your stance on this differ any. Not talking about families or couples...just the single people.

Ya see, I believe in guidelines but not flat out restrictions based on computer models and theories of a virus that has no history to base it on. I've had enough of that BS with climate change.

I have no background to base this on but I'm sure I'm smarter than the experts in Hollywood and most likely those in the Media whose sole purpose is to lie and fill the gullible with fear.

I consider myself an optimist and that we'll come out of this with way fewer deaths than predicted. My only fear is that some of our leaders will not be so willing to give up this authority in the future. This could very well be a yearly ordeal for us. We've yet to stem the high death rate from the flu even though we know more about it than Covid.

You are mistaken. You are confusing the number of deaths vs CONFIRMED cases, with the number of deaths vs TOTAL cases.

Since they haven't been and still AREN'T even testing anyone but the most seriously ill, the number of TOTAL cases is many times higher than the number of confirmed cases.

Even if a person is exhibiting symptoms, unless they are serious enough to be alarming, they are telling people not to even go to the doctor or hospital and not to bother getting tested. Just stay home and self quarantine.

If you think that 36% of the people who get this virus are going to die you really need to do some more reading and research.

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When I said something snippy about it being a "free country" as a boy. My dad explained it to me this way. Yes that's true. You have every right to swing your arm. But that right ends where MY nose begins.
I was also trying to find some context for the pastor in Fla. being arrested for holding services during the mandatory "lock down". I came up with this - There are churches (mostly in appalachia) that routinely handle poisonous snakes in their services. They are completely free and within their rights to willingly expose themselves to that danger. But if they left that church with those snakes in their pockets and went to the local grocery store, I'm sure a quick halt would be put to that by law enforcement.

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I get my numbers from a reputable source, The Lancet, a well respected British medical journal. Actually their numbers are under 1%. What is the source of your numbers?

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The virus is a serious situation and there is no doubt on that .
However, if you think the government knows what they are doing you are sadly mistaken.
Remember “3 weeks to flatten the curve”? Now they add another 30 days.
Remember “ a mask will not help you or prevent you from getting the virus, but we need them for medical people.” Well if it ain’t gonna help me and the people I love how in the world is is going to help a medical worker?
Now? They are thinking about making wearing a mask in public a new guideline. So how do we follow the guideline when you cannot find an N95 mask for public purchase? I have been desperately searching for them for my employees and have yet to locate a single package.
Don’t get me wrong, they are doing the best they can but all of their efforts to this point are educated guesses. Very educated, but the goal posts keep moving.
Sooner or later we will all have to go on with life. The economy is not going to survive this much longer. This morning job losses are estimated at 700,000 for the month of March. Over 2 million have applied for unemployment. Morgan Stanley is projecting a 38% contraction of the economy in the second quarter. Let those numbers sink in.
How many businesses are going to disappear. How many parts of the entertainment industry will go away?
Where and when will all the people who have lost jobs find employment? When are you going to feel safe going to a sit down restaurant, a movie, a concert, fly on a commercial airplane?
If this shutdown does not end and soon, the economic disaster that will follow will make the Corona virus issue look like a picnic.
We are a nation that thrives because our population strives for improvements to our lives and our financial comfort. When that is gone we will be what? Don’t forget this was supposed to be 3 weeks to flatten the curve. Now it is 7 weeks with possibly stricter guidelines.You can say that being locked up in your home is better than death but after this 30 days you will begin to wonder and after another 30 days you will start to think that maybe we have become the living dead.
I really do not like sounding this negative, but what happens when the virus comes back for round 2 or 3? What if it becomes a seasonal event like the common cold? These things are going to disrupt the world we have become comfortable with. Hard choices are on the near horizon. This current situation cannot continue much longer. We have painted ourselves into a corner and whether we sacrifice our entire economy or lives may have to be determined. God help whoever has to make that decision.

Coltle, What is it that you want to do that you feel you are being prevented from doing?

It seems to me that there are very few flat-out restrictions. The closing of businesses deemed non essential is a flat out restriction that I can think of. But as I noted earlier, the breadth of businesses deemed essential is very broad.

Could you give some concrete examples of flat-out restrictions that you feel are unwarranted?

(I also disagree with “no history to base it on,” but I think that’s probably simply a matter of definition. We have experiences with many coronaviruses. Just not this specific one. So we have related experience.)

Actually she is at work. I married up by a lot and she is most of the reason my home is as it is. I have a mancave and reloading room that are both well stocked.

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Johns Hopkins University of Medicine:
COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

and Worldometers:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,074,290 Cases and 56,989 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

The latter is one of the sources for JHU, so it is a valid source. The Lancet actually created the real-time map that is now hosted by Johns Hopkins.

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First, we will never know the actual TOTAL number of cases. Second, you cannot use the number of total confirmed cases to arrive at a death rate. The vast majority of cases are still active, meaning that those people have neither recovered nor died, they are still sick.

I never said that 36% of the people who get this virus are going to die. I merely provided actual, real numbers and valid statistics. When this is all over and done, I suspect the death rate will be considerably lower. I also suspect it will be considerably higher than 1% or 2%.

Ya'll have a great day and stay safe.

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While we will never know the EXACT number of people who have been infected, we will be able to arrive at a pretty accurate estimate once we start testing for antibodies and determine what kind of percentage of people have had it who were never confirmed while they were sick.

That's kind of semantics isn't it? You have stated that the DEATH RATE is 20% worldwide and 36% in the US. While not explicitly saying that 36% of the people who have had it died or will die, stating that 36% is the "death rate" is a mighty strong statement that sure sounds like you're saying that 36% of those infected will die in the US. That's exceptionally surprising given that is 10x higher than even the most pessimistic estimates that have ever been stated by any expert or organization anywhere.

That may not have been what you meant to say, but it is certainly how it came across. I am sure glad to hear that you aren't actually operating under that kind of delusion. Take care.

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Yes I absolutely would and I did, my concern would be not only be for myself but to protect others if I happened to have the virus and was not aware of it. In fact, I happened to be on an international trip when the virus really exploded and upon my return home I isolated myself based upon the recommendations in place in other countries as there were no requirements here at the time. I wanted to be sure I didn't pass it on to others if I had become infected.

As I mentioned in my original post I went through chemo, four years ago. My wife was in chemo five years ago, acquired an infection and died in 36 hours. I hope you enjoy your margarita more than I did holding Bobbie's hand as she passed away. Because of that I am now single as you referenced in your post.

I take my social responsibility very seriously.

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If you want to read about her. My Bobbie

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My parents were of the "greatest generation" and I'm sure that if they were still alive they would be adhering to the rules.

I'm a Boomer, so my parents were my example and I would follow their lead.

My kids are Millennials, but they were bought up my me and my parents, and right now they ARE following the rules. I realize not all Millennials were bought up like mine, but that's another story.

Seems to me that the argumentative posters in this thread must be gen Xers or Z's or whatever. Obviously, followers of Dr. Spock or Timmy O'Leary.

Maybe it ain't all that bad. Just like fish in a tank or animals in the woods, mother nature has her own way of thinning out the weakest.

First off there aren't any restrictions that I am affected by but it seems that many people are. XFuzz can't fish off his house on a deserted beach. People can't gather in groups for a BBQ or get together even if the group is controllable and social distancing is respected. I can see restrictions out in public but between consenting adults?? Nope,shouldn't happen. People are being encouraged to rat on their neighbor. There's more but If you aren't up to speed on what's going on I'm not going to spoon feed you.

Secondly there aren't many corona viruses. There are different strings of influenza and if they were similar to Covid in the smallest degree we wouldn't be starting from scratch looking for a cure for Covid.

I'm tired of the fact that in an election year all of a sudden the World is doomed. Thousands of people have been dying for years from the Flu and it's reported like it's the common cold.

Funny how all of a sudden it's necessary to destroy the economy along with millions of peoples lives for something that could be no worse than anything else we've experienced.

Only time and History will be the judge of our actions...Not you,me or anyone else in this Forum.

One thing about this that I take exception to is the "I'm high risk so everybody else has to make sure my safety is paramount, even at your own expense" attitude some folks have. It's like the parents of a kid who has a peanut allergy who insist that none of the other kids in the school can pack a peanut butter sandwich in their lunch on the offchance their kid might come in contact with it. While I can empathize with your plight, it's not my responsibility, or the Federal, state or local governments, to make sure you don't get sick; it's yours. I'm not the one who put you in your high risk status; I'm not the guy who made you smoke, get fat, get diabetes, get old, or whatever that puts you in a high risk category. You did that. You have a responsibility to take care of yourself and do what you need to to do that. But don't preach to me that me going out for groceries or other things I need to do is endangering your life. If you need to stay home to stay safe, then do it. That way, you won't come into contact with those if us who aren't.

That's a sad story but I follow the guidelines that were laid out for us when we go out in public Therefore I am doing what is expected to prevent myself from contracting Covid or infecting others. Would our leaders rather we all hide in our basement until this is over? The obvious answer is Yes but they know that isn't going to happen.

You people like to say I might be a carrier without showing any symptoms. It that were the case wouldn't the virus die in a few days with nothing to feed off of?

All of these personal stories are just that...personal. Everyone has a story to tell and I'm not responsible for any of them. Things happen in our lives that we have no control over it.

You'll never near me say "If only...".

Wow! You're gonna regret writing this.

PLUS. we normally lose 1000's to the regular flu's every year and NO ONE raises an eyebrow.........How many die today from car wrecks? Other diseases?.......More going on than meets the eye.

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“ Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses. Some coronaviruses cause cold-like illnesses in people, while others cause illness in certain types of animals, such as cattle, camels, and bats. Some coronaviruses, such as canine and feline coronaviruses, infect only animals and do not infect humans.”

If You Have Animals | CDC

Just wanted to add that if our leaders wanted us to hide in the basement, every state’s stay-at-home policy I have read would not encourage outdoor exercise and recreation.

My guess is Xfuzz’s fishing issue is either a local cop who misunderstands the policy, or a local ordinance that is trying to prevent people from congregating on beaches. Does seem pretty ridiculous, whatever the cause, on his beach which looks pretty isolated.

There are seven KNOWN corona viruses that can infect humans as well as dozens of others that affect animals and (so far at least) not humans. Four of the human corona virii produce very mild symptoms. Three are more deadly, MERS, SARS, and the newest one designated SARS 2. Some of the animal corona viruses can be controlled by vaccine. So far none of the human ones can be. Maybe a vaccine can be developed for the SARS-CoV-2 that causes Covid 19 - or maybe not. We just don't know yet.

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I don't see why I would.

All correct, with only one exception.
There is a vaccine for SARS. Which is a reason to be very optimistic and hopeful about the probability that one will be developed for this new virus.
Coronaviruses are so common that if you look on the back of a container of Clorox disinfecting wipes HUMAN CORONAVIRUS is one of the bugs they specifically list as something they will disinfect/kill.

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1000's? Try TENS of 1000's - estimates vary between 45 and 60 thousand last flu season.

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Contrary to P D Eastman's Book, Go Dog Go, I do like your hat!

My post was extreme and meant to be tongue-n-cheek.
It was locked and rightfully so after some thought.
Beaches here are CLOSED period.
I live 35 yards from the surf. The beach was human free when
the Pinkerton rolled up on me.

We both got a bit tickled at the circumstances.
With her and I her being the only folks visible from near two miles.

This is a serious issue.. folks are dying.
The actions by Federal/State/local governments be
likely be discussed and debated for years to come.

I couldn't agree more.

I've limited myself but still have to go out for food, prescriptions and other necessities. We were one of the firsts to quarantine and so far it's gone from 4/6 to 4/30. My thoughts are we'll see it go further than 4/30.

I feel sorry for the people who self-quarantine in apartments. All they have is a few square feet.


Besides my house, I go to the corral twice a day to feed my horse. Then I check on my fruit trees. I can go outside and walk around and enjoy the fresh air. If I feel really bored, I can take a stroll around my property. I am self-quarantined on my property, just not in the house staring at four walls.

Could I have coronavirus with no symptoms? – The Sun

And if you don't show any symptoms - known as being 'asymptomatic' - then the risk of infecting others increases.

They didn't explain that, but yes it does, but only because if you have no symptoms you are more likely to be out and about and not isolate yourself or be as careful to do the things that prevent spreading it to others. If they're sick MOST people will at least try to avoid spreading it.

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Good thing you didn't live during WWII when they had blackouts, rationing and asked to make a lot more sacrifices than staying at home

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Because it's one of the stupidest things ever posted on this forum, and that's saying a lot.

You're saying people asked to get cancer? That it's their own fault they have to get chemo? News flash. Some people do everything they're supposed to do and still get sick. Is that their fault, too?

Let's not forget that there are people who are otherwise healthy dying from this virus.