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According to FOX news/ tucker Carlson & the HEAD MEDICAL CONSULTANT OF FLORIDA, said,they cannot get masks from 3M because 3M is selling their masks, they manufacture about 2 million PER DAY to EUROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They pay more than customers in the USA. FLORIDA rep was told that by the PRESIDENT OF 3M!!!!!! Anyone that purchases products from 3M is helping EUROPE prosper while residents of the USA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you think of that?
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Well, welcome to Capitalism.
I like Europeans. Don’t forget, we’re all in this together.
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Since January, Taiwan, India and Thailand, all of which also make face masks, have banned their export.
South Korea also banned the export of masks, as did Indonesia.
Russia, Germany and the Czech Republic also stopped exports in early March. So did Kenya, where the first case of coronavirus was confirmed on March 13.
No such action taken so far here in the USA, so it'll be business as usual until then.
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Trump hit 3M Thursday with the Defense Production Act. 3M was filling it’s distributors orders and the distributors were price gouging. Mark Cuban got involved.
Trump Invokes the Defense Production Act Against 3M for Medical Masks
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Thank you Mr. President and Mark Cuban.
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Sounds like 3m is committing treason to the American people
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Contrary to recent Supreme Court decisions, corporations are not people.
Officers and directors owe a duty of loyalty to a corporation and its shareholders. They are expected to put the welfare and best interests of the corporation above their own personal or other business interests.
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If 3M had contracts concluded with European customers prior to US customers wanting to buy them, they would be in the position of breaking their contracts, or fulfilling them by shipping the masks abroad as promised.
Not saying that’s what happened, because I don’t know, but it would make sense. The need, and desire, for masks in Europe certainly predated that in the US.
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Hey, make the heads and board members of these corporations an offer they can't refuse!
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To be fair, this story could be short on detail. For all I know, 3M and Cuban could have worked together with the White House so 3M could break it’s contracts without penalties. 3M is right here in the Twin Cities, and very much tied to the local communities through their employees and the relatives of the employees.
A lot of things are happening, and we just cannot assume we get all the facts. More on the story:
3M responds to President Trump, says there are '''significant humanitarian implications''' to stopping N95 mask exports | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul
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If 3M had contracts concluded with European customers prior to US customers wanting to buy them, they would be in the position of breaking their contracts, or fulfilling them by shipping the masks abroad as promised.
Not saying that’s what happened, because I don’t know, but it would make sense. The need, and desire, for masks in Europe certainly predated that in the US.
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NO, over seas people are WALKING IN TO 3M PLANTS with $$$ in their hands and diverting ALREADY MADE MASKS according to HEAD of MEDICAL SUPPLIES, FL
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You've got to ask yourself why there isn't a ban on the export of all medical equipment made in the US. That's not 3M's fault.
Next, ask why the supply chain for critical items hasn't been federalized so there isn't any "bidding" between states and health care providers and these items can be directed to their destinations based on need not greed. That's not 3M's fault, either.
Lastly, you've got to ask why so many people love capitalism - until it's inconvenient for them - because that is what this clearly demonstrates. And No, you can't blame 3M here at all.
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NO, over seas people are WALKING IN TO 3M PLANTS with $$$ in their hands and diverting ALREADY MADE MASKS according to HEAD of MEDICAL SUPPLIES, FL
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WHY ARE YOU YELLING?!?!
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Here’s what 3M stated this morning:
3M response to Defense Production Act order
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3M issued the following statement in response to the announcements issued by the White House last evening:
Over the last several weeks and months, 3M and its employees have gone above and beyond to manufacture as many N95 respirators as possible for the U.S. market. Yesterday, the Administration formally invoked the Defense Production Act (DPA) to require 3M to prioritize orders from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for our N95 respirators.
We have been working closely with the Administration to do exactly that, and we appreciate the authorities in the DPA that provide a framework for us to expand even further the work we are doing in response to the global pandemic crisis. We look forward to working with FEMA to implement yesterday’s order.
In the course of our collaboration with the Administration this past weekend, the Administration requested that 3M increase the amount of respirators we currently import from our overseas operations into the U.S. We appreciate the assistance of the Administration to do exactly that. For example, earlier this week, we secured approval from China to export to the U.S. 10 million N95 respirators manufactured by 3M in China.
The Administration also requested that 3M cease exporting respirators that we currently manufacture in the United States to the Canadian and Latin American markets. There are, however, significant humanitarian implications of ceasing respirator supplies to healthcare workers in Canada and Latin America, where we are a critical supplier of respirators. In addition, ceasing all export of respirators produced in the United States would likely cause other countries to retaliate and do the same, as some have already done. If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease. That is the opposite of what we and the Administration, on behalf of the American people, both seek.
We also continue to act on reports of price gouging and unauthorized reselling related to 3M respirators. This activity is unethical and illegal. We are working with the U.S. Attorney General and attorneys general of every state, making it clear that 3M has not and will not raise prices for respirators and offering our assistance in the fight.
We look forward to working closely with the Administration to implement yesterday’s DPA order. We will continue to maximize the amount of respirators we can produce on behalf of U.S. healthcare workers, as we have every single day since this crisis began.
3M response to Defense Production Act order | 3M News | United States
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NO, over seas people are WALKING IN TO 3M PLANTS with $$$ in their hands and diverting ALREADY MADE MASKS according to HEAD of MEDICAL SUPPLIES, FL
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So who is the head of medical supplies, Florida?
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And this is why we have the defense production act. Price gouging on lifesaving equipment. Criminal.
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So who is the head of medical supplies, Florida?
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And where is the link to back up the claim?
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The issue I see here is that 3M have done the modern US business thing of not selling direct to anybody, it's all done through distributors. What happens to the masks after 3M hand them over is not their problem, because that's the way modern business is done and there are contracts binding them to that way.
While Director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management, Jared Moskowitz, does have a valid point that this is not good for the US, it can be argued that until the Defense Production Act is/was dropped on 3M, the company had many legal reasons NOT to change the way their products were sold. That's because they are bound by those pesky contracts.
Where Mr Moskowitz loses some credibility (at least for me) is in his frequent use of phrases like "we are hearing", "They said..." etc. Yes, I know he means the 3M distributors, but he needs to name them. Florida emergency management official says 3M selling masks to foreign countries: '''We'''re chasing ghosts''' | Fox News
His "3M is an ice cream store that doesn't sell ice cream" comment makes a wonderful soundbite, but it doesn't tell me anything I don't already know about how business is done in Western society. When was the last time any of you called S&W direct for your revolver, or spoke to a human at Dearborn for your next F-150?
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