With an average of around 1,000 or so per day the number everyone felt was going to come has arrived.
100,000 deaths.
Do what you will with the numbers, agree or disagree, regardless it is a lot of deaths in a 3 month period.


Total Cases 1,698,523 19,680 New Cases*
Total Deaths 100,446 1,415 New Deaths


Cases in the U.S. | CDC

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100,000 in 4 months is more Americans than died in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. Combined.

Or if you prefer, 1400 per day is an equivalent number of deaths between the attack on Pearl Harbor and 9/11/2001. Every two days.

Or a Hurricane Katrina. Every 30 hours.

I wonder where they'll put the national memorial and monument?

More like in two months. At the end of March there were less then 500 deaths in the US.

Sorry. You quoted me before I made my last edit.

There were 400,000 dead in WW2 over 4 years.

Consider the total number of deaths from WWII worldwide.
Like this pandemic, most were civilians...

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These numbers are so problematic. There is no doubt that COVID-19 has increased mortality rates in our population, but by how many? I have occassionally heard the term "excess deaths", but it is much easier for a news outlet to trumpet a singular milestone such as 100,000 deaths. I don't mean to minimize the devastating impact of this virus, but I struggle to get a sense of proportion and relavince from media and government that willfully holds back information, or doesn't bother to disseminate, thinking the population is too stupid to comprehend. There is a parallel piece of information management (lying) that used to go on with the National Weather Service. They would report hurricane landfalls with great precision, causing those that live a few miles away to feel safe. In point of fact, they were reporting the most likely point of landfall, even if known to a very low degree of precision. This misinformation led the NWS and the Hurricane Center to finally change their nomenclature to "cone of uncertainty" and actually reveal the computerized algorithms, a rare breath of fresh air from a federal bureaucracy and news outlets that our public health officials should study.

I heard an unverified story today of a hospital that held a 325 bed facility empty for two months, waiting for the flood of COVID-19 patients that dribbled in to total 19. Of course the hospital is in financial collapse. Are we this inept to virtually destroy a medical system, fearing the worse? How can this happen to a private hospital? Did some public health bureaucrat impose a centrally planned policy?

Does this include the half dozen COVID-19 patients that were shot on the streets in Chicago last weekend?

And the silver lining about COVID-19 is that the flu deaths are so low this year.

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Comparing COVID-19 Deaths to Flu Deaths Is like Comparing Apples to Oranges - Scientific American Blog Network

In my area the hospitals are out of beds and the army has converted the gymnasium at the jr college to place patients.
I don’t remember them doing that during flu season.

My opinion, and it is only opinion, is that nitpicking numbers is fruitless. COVID-19 is a worldwide pandemic utterly unlike seasonal flu; the dying worldwide isn't even close to being over. We're suffering more than most countries because we are the 5th largest in the world and because we didn't take this seriously early on. Countries following the German model have between 20 and 25 percent of our deaths per million. Bringing in politics only makes the suffering and confusion worse, again, in my opinion. By June 1 there will be more Americans lost to COVID than to World War I, 116,000. We are all diminished by these deaths.

There was a television interview the other day (I can't remember which network) with a group of young people on the beach in Alabama...no masks, of course, and no social distancing. They were saying the dumbest things imaginable..."I'll take my chances"..."Nobody lives forever"..."When it's my time to go, it'll be my time to go"...etc.

No appreciation for how serious this is. No sense that if they get sick, they'll be putting family members, co-workers, neighbors, health care providers at risk. No acknowledgment of any obligation to society at large...it was all about me-me-me.

I wanted to reach through the television and throat-punch them...

Since this whole thing started, a lot of us have been wondering when things will get back to "normal". The Washington Post ran an article the other day that was very thought-provoking in addressing that question. The medical experts and scientists they interviewed warned COVID-19 might never go away, even if or when a vaccine is developed.

It was very interesting reading...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...virus-endemic/

These are the people of our nation who have forgotten that the first three words of the Preamble to the Constitution are "We The People" and not "I The Person".

I don't understand? Couldn't they just stop all this by making Covid illegal?

All too many of our fellow citizens seem to have embraced a much more intelligent alternative:

They’ve decided the pandemic is over because they’re tired of it.

Around 2.7 million people die each year in the U.S., so in the 3 month or so period we've been living with COVID, around 675,000 would have died without COVID. So COVID has up'd the death rate by about 15%.

Now that really shows the power of the media with this "Hoax"right there! When the media can cause the death rate to climb 15% just to influence an election and deprive people of their "rights".

What really amazes me it the US media managed to make the "Hoax" happen world wide! Now that is some serious power there.

Think About it!

The death rate attributed to this corona virus is vastly overinflated. Even the left-leaning leaders of the CDC have admitted so. The current death rate is less than 0.26% according to the recent partially "corrected" CDC stats. We're talking influenza type rates here, folks. This ridiculous overreaction and destruction of our economy is completely unfounded. It's a lie!

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Yet the total number of dead is up 15% from the same period 1 year ago. What changed besides the virus? Please explain how they manipulated that number just so they could blame it on the virus.

The Hoaxers sure give "them" a lot of power and ability.

Meh..... I just shake my head knowing these wannabe tough guys will be crying for their mama’s and fighting for their last breath.

I happen to like this social distancing. Stay the Hell outta my personal space!

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Not a fair comparison..this “math” is what the media wants you to believe and is hyped towards the sensational for political gain. You must include in the equation how many troops in total were there to the number of deaths; otherwise, you would “minimize” the death toll of our brave service personnel during these wars with a COVID-19 correlation.

If it was like Vietnam War death rate, there would be almost 8%-10% of the population dead...25M +/-...due to COVID-19.

100K deaths due to COVID-19 is bad enough, but let’s not get caught up in false comparisons as purposely stoked by our media.

All the COVID-19 death victims who have died, will not die in future months and years. There likely has not been an offsetting increase in birth rate to replace the COVID-19 death victims. So the death rate, averaged over time, corrected for replacement rate, will likely remain pretty constant. What has been lost is years of life for overweight, hypertensive, diabetic, cardio-pulmonary and old patients. Sounds morbid to think of it in those terms, but that's actuarial reality, cold comfort if you die of COVID-19 and not worthy of sensational headlines.

There are literally hundreds of documented examples of attributing the virus as the cause of death when in fact they were not. "Presumed" is counted as a confirmed statistic.

Here's just one recent article for starters: Doctors Express Concern Over CDC Guidelines That Inflate CCP Virus Deaths: State Senator

Another not-so-well publisized example:
"White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx said in an April 7 task force briefing that “if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.”"...so if I have the wuhan and get killed by a beer truck, then I would get counted as a confirmed virus death. This is not science...this is a lie.

Don't get sucked into the lies.

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The rest of the world doesn't use our CDC; they have death rates from those lower than ours to those much higher. But no matter - belief resists information. Ignoring warnings is a decision.

There is a point of view that the pandemic is real, but what we are doing about it is wrong. The masks are only marginally effective, the economic dislocation is as deadly, or more so, than the virus, and cloistering yourself only atrophies your immune system, so that when you do emerge, your immune system will be weaker. More folks will die in either event. Do we impoverish a nation, to briefly extend the lives of a relative few? There are no good answers.Good luck to all here.

Imagine that. Almost everything you list in your post was utterly wrong and doesn't deserve to be given oxygen. Can anyone even support the claim that what we have been doing is wrong? Economic dislocation can be deadly, but more so than the virus???? Briefly extend the life of a "relative few" (100,000+ and counting...)???? Your immune system atrophies????? Uh, WHAT???

Poppycock.

As for impoverishing our nation, I've said this before: Our country has been through much worse; epidemics, pandemics, economic troubles, housing bubbles, the Civil War, two world wars, the Great Depression, the Great Recession, and the cancelling of Star Trek - and yet EVERY TIME we have come through stronger and more prosperous than before.

Yes, there are a LOT of good answers out there - and they all start with "Take Personal Responsibility".

This is a canard. Check your sources.

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Wait...WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?!?!

The press and the WHO have done a very good job of creating fear over this virus. Enough so that it makes one wonder about motives, be they political or financial. In my opinion this makes it even more important for us to learn what is really true and what is hype or fear mongering.

As the medical director at a surgical facility, it's important to me that we learn as much as possible about this virus to insure maximum safety for the general public. What we we've been told to expect based on models has not happened throughout most of the country. How much of that is because of shutting down the country is not known

Here are some things we are learning:
1) It is very contagious
2) A very high percentage (roughly 30%) of those infected are asymptomatic.
3) It spares the young and attacks the elderly
4) The conditions (besides age) that correlate with poor outcomes are obesity, hypertension, diabetes, and immune suppression either from disease or medicines
5) People taking ACE inhibitors for hypertension such as lisinopril seem to have higher susceptibility to poor outcomes (ACE=angiotenson converting enzyme). The reason for this could be that the virus gains access to the cell by attacking at this receptor.
6) It doesn't seem to spread from touching fomites such as counters, door knobs, etc.
7) The survival rate according to CDC's revised estimates is now around 99.74%. If you remove from those statistics all of the elderly infirmed nursing home patients, it puts the survival rate at closer to 99.9%. These numbers match almost identically the results coming out of the Stanford study.


At 0.1% mortality we have a death rate very similar to most flu epidemics. However this virus does seem to be more contagious. So we need to keep learning, but we also need to make decisions moving forward based on science instead of fear. We need to toss away models that have been wrong and caused irreparable damage to peoples lives. We need to continue to protect the vulnerable. Most of all, we need to come together as a nation and figure out what loss of life, if any, is acceptable in order to maintain the freedoms we cherish, that many before us fought and died for. That will be a tough question for some, but it's important to answer.

Crazy talk from the lunatic fringe. Get a grip man.

If you're under 20 you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than dying from wuflu and you think closing schools is a good idea??? Crazy talk I say.

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I think the quote is "struck by lightning while being mauled by a polar bear".

And yes, closing the schools is a good idea, not because kids will die from it but because kids will spread it. Anyone who works in a typical school setting will tell you it's a breeding ground for germs regardless of whatever precautions you may take. To prevent this from happening we have two choices - isolate the kids or isolate the members of the most vulnerable populations (like the elderly). Well, nobody will tolerate isolating the kids and isolating the elderly is what we have been doing and it has been a miserable failure because we've neglected nursing homes and elderly care facilities for too long.

And of course that doesn't even take into account the folks who died who weren't in a nursing home, etc. - of all ages.

If you have a workable idea for "Option C" then we all would like to hear it.

Inflated numbers??? Follow the money, there was money to be made by those claims of covid deaths.

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my hamster study says that if infected peopLe wear masks, you get 85 %
protection.
no lock downs needed n all you need are bandanas,

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I wish you good luck and good health. Peace be with you and your family.

quarantine immune system - Video Search Results

What are all you that are isolated gonna do? Keep isolated for the rest of your lives? Come out when there's a vaccine? Then what will you do when the corona returns in a different form? Yes, it will as it has several times since at least 2005. Will you isolate again? If so, why don't you isolate with the influenza? The death rates are similar. It's because you have believed a LIE! The virus is real, it can kill, especially the elderly much like the flu. But the rest are reacting in an irrational manner, and it's needlessly destroying our economy. The masks, the social distancing, the shutting down "non-essential" businesses is lunacy founded on a lie! Wake up Americans, don't believe the lie, don't fall for it again the next go 'round.

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please explain exactly how masks harm anything.
since they eliminate the need for lock downs, are they not
a plus?
there is no profit to anyone if people wear bandanas
bandanas are all it takes
why would a conspiracy lie about this?

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Wearing a mask, even an N95 does not offer complete protection from viral exposure. Nor does not touching your face, washing hands, "social distancing", or bandanas. 

Let me first say the following: If you are medically at risk or aged with an impaired immune system, you must safeguard yourself from viral infections the best you can. This virus, as with ANY VIRUS can seriously affect your health and even survival.

For the rest, none of these approaches completely protects us from exposure. If we haven't already been exposed, we most likely will be when we return to work and other activities. And we will survive and build up some imminunity to it, a "herd immunity", if you will. Then the cycle will continue as it has for ages and ages. This approach works. Ever heard of SARS and MERS? Corona virus is nothing new. Yes, Corona virus has been around in various forms since or even before 2005. So why is our response so different this time?

It's not about the virus...it's about FEAR and destroying our economy [POLITICS]. Even Beijing Biden and Dr. Faucci admit that wearing masks is a symbolic gesture.


Coronavirus in China: Do surgical masks help?

Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread

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the hamster test says you get 86% protection from the virus,
if the INFECTED person wears one.
wearing the mask protects others from you in case you are
infected without knowing.
faucci n his ilk know nothing.
masks can't really hurt the economy.

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To answer your question, masks are actually making workers sick who are being forced to wear them most of the workday. It's called pleurisy...an inflection of the outside of the lining of the lungs. It's because wearing a mask for over 8 hours a day 5-6 days a week and breathing in their own bacteria is as unhealthy as COVID-19.

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A bit of interesting reading. Facebook posts spread unsupported anonymous claim that face mask use caused a lung infection in a healthy teenager - Health Feedback

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Well the totals for 6/14/2020 in the USA

Deaths have increased 115,271
Total cases 2,063,812

The bar graph looks about the same as it did back in 3/2020, Spikes up then down then up, It is still here!

Cases in the U.S. | CDC

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Well and clearly said. Thank you.