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I grew up on that stuff, but my in heart I will always be metal.

Won’t bore you by linking up some Iron Maiden (although I should).
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60s and 70s were a great time for music. I got to hear a lot of it as my Mom would have the radio on most of the day. She did play a number of Elvis records over and over. I have a lot of the music from back then on cassettes and some CDs and listen to them almost everyday.
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Why would you expect music to improve? Obviously, taste and music appreciation are very individual, but improvement over time has simply not been my experience.

I had no great interest in music until I heard Little Richard in the mid-fifties. In general I liked about half of what was popular in White circles in the fifties and sixties (including, of course, Black artists like Chuck Berry and Wilbert Harrison), and maybe a third or less of what I heard on the Newark NJ R&B station. Some music that was current then I didn't hear until it's heyday had passed.

In the eighties (!) I discovered boogie woogie, a twenties form probably developed a little earlier. It's still my favorite, and those who are sufficiently talented still produce new pieces all the time.

Most new "music" does not appeal to me at all. I have no need to badmouth what others like, but I certainly don't accept the legitimacy of any assumption that I would or should like ANY particular style.

Improvement? Fageddaboutit.
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I expected music to improve but was gravely disappointed.
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Some ain't too bad. Wife and I watched "Hamilton" on Disney the other evening. It's sort of "Hip-Hop History." High energy singing and dancing with some "real" information that young folks might like. Except for making Thomas Jefferson foolish we enjoyed it (and the tickets cost $0). Joe
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I stopped listening to new music sometime around 1987/88. The constant 3 year cycle of “new” genre’s was mind numbing and simply did not resonate within me.

I reverted to classic rock’n’roll and the pop hits of my childhood/youth.

There were some massive pop songs in the 90’s that I liked, but not enough to become fans.

Today’s music is terrible. One verse that repeats three times and choruses consisting of one line repeated half a dozen times in between.

One of our TV breakfast shows played a new song clip yesterday the three hosts were gushing over. I thought was that it was rubbish.

Luckily there is so much of the old stuff to listen to.
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In the old days, music was auditory.
Today it's visual.

Can you imagine Janice Joplin doing a choreographed dance with her cutesy "posse" and mouthing the words to the lip syncing canned music. She felt the lyrics, not just sang them.

The Grateful Dead played for hours without a chiseled in stone score by some producer. What happened to creativity?

Maybe this is why I still love the blues. Each rendition is meant to bring something new to a song; not just try to match the album.

Audiences have been trained to expect a song and dance routine to watch. Don't get me wrong, I'm a guy and like to watch scantily clad nymphets simulating sex; but, great music, it's not.

Whatever happened to listening.

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I spent a couple of nights in the rain and mud of Woodstock (which was not actually at Woodstock). I was a very different person in August of 69 than I am today. Tried to go to the reunion, which was actually at Woodstock, but never made it. I was lucky enough to sit in a few times at the Barge on Long Island on Felix's Hammond B-3 when the Young Rascals where still a garage band in Westhampton Beach back in the early 60s.

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Every instrument has its place. Every piece of music I listen to my heart always follows the bass line but the one instrument that makes me wish I had followed a different path is a B3 with a Leslie 122 and somebody with the hands and feet that knows how to use them.I

I'm gonna go listen to some Supertramp and Boston.
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I played in a band in High School and my early college years. I had a B-3 with a pair of Leslie units. When I was living in Louisiana in the early 90s I was able to buy a C-3 from a local church. Wish I still had it. I have a Korg M I, but there is nothing that can duplicate the sound of the B-3. There is a B-3 about 8 miles from me, that I could buy, but I don't have the room for it right now and I also have Dupytrins Contracture so playing it would be a problem.

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Then disco happened. I could listen to the BeeGees but that was about it. I liked a very little punk and metal .Rap was horrible except for very few 'tracks' (I won't call them songs). I think my son liked it because I hated it. He doesn't even listen to it any more.

I think my favorites since that time are Dire Straits and Tom Petty. R.E.M. was pretty good. Pink Floyd stayed in the picture a long time. Queen was still great, but I favored their older stuff. Aerosmith wasn't bad.

'The Traveling Wilburys' were a breath of fresh air. A few bands that lasted into the later decades had some good songs, but nothing in quantity and I sure can't think of any 'Great Albums' after that time.
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I refuse to call some of the stuff played now music. Some of it sounds like lost souls burning on the hot griddle of hell.
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The bulk of my playlist is stuff from the last two decades with a chunk of that being from the last few years. There is a wealth of impressive music done by gifted young folks out there.

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If you can't get a few musicians on stage with instruments and microphones to produce their music, it ain't music. Nothing better than being present with fine, or even average, musicians doing their thing. If it is all produced electronically in a studio, I am not interested. I don't have a musical bone in my body, unless my ears count.
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Music is one of those things, like food and sex, where you can tell people what you like or dislike, but that just says things about you, not the quality of the music. It’s an emotional thing; trying to dress it up as quality judgments is unproductive.

Fortunately, my tastes have grown with me. I go on regular nostalgia trips with old compilations, mostly sorted by decades, but I also regularly find new stuff, often accidentally on Youtube. It’s a big interesting world out there.

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No music has to improved IMO.
I used to be hard rock and metal. Could not understand how anyone suffered country music at all.
Now? Country most of the time 80’s and back.
Still do some rock when I am feeling nostalgic.
New country is pathetic. Nothing but hook-ups, vacations to tropical places and ****** instrumental work. Sounds like Air Supply with a twang.
Some of the new Blue Grass is pretty good though. Not better than the old, just better than the rest of the trash being offered.
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I certainly agree that the new music put out today just doesn't measure up to the past.

In the 70's and 80's I liked a good variety of hard-rock & southern rock. Since then it's been more country (which is a lot like what was once called southern rock) and bluegrass.....but then it's hard to get anyone to agree on who/what was the best in the past. Don
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Back in my misspent youth I was an oldies disk jockey, playing a lot of the records that my younger aunts and uncles had bought and I played at my grandparents' house. I accumulated a substantial collection of records from the 50s and 60s, which I still have. Now, with the advent of the internet juke boxes, when I go the the American Legion or VFW I can rock the house, and with people there of my age and older, I get a lot of good responses from others who remember those songs. Often they give me money to play the juke box because they enjoy what I remember and play.
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Doubt we will see (I mean hear) anything like Pink Floyd again.

Bands such as Van Halen and Sammy Hagar could play instead of fiddling with a synthesizer.
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I can’t say that music has gotten better, but neither can I say thatit has gotten worse. There are plenty of great bands and artists that emerged in the ‘80s, ‘90s and past the turn of the century. Talking Heads is one of the very best. Bob Marley, Springsteen. The Pixies, John Spencer Blues Explosion, Morphine. Adele. Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers, who has been around since the early ‘80s, but I never heard of until last year. Gogol Bordello. Some of these will last longer than others. Johnny Cash and Dylan have persisted through the decades. The American series, six albums of covers that Johnny Cash recorded before his death are some of his best work. Plus, we still have all the old music. Hank Sr., George Jones. If I get sick of what is on the radio, I can fire up some 1959 bebop, Oliver Nelson, Freddy Hubbard, Monk, Coltrane, Miles Davis. If I want to reach back a little farther, I have hours of Django Reinhardt on my Itunes.

My boy still listens to the stuff I played when he was little, that goes back before his time. Lou Reed, Bowie, Cowboy Junkies, Elvis, Leonard Cohen. In turn, he and his friends have introduced me to tons of music I might well have missed.

I see no point in discussing whether music has gotten better or worse. We have it all. You don’t have to listen to it all but you can find great music from any era.
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Ha, never heard of a band called Greta Van Fleet, quite the Zepplin sound.

Van Hagar was OK, but certainly not the OG.

Heck, Iron Maiden even put the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner to metal, and for current “let’s chug a beer or ten” there are groups out there that will rock you.
Alestorm to Rumjacks, and even Celtic rock (babes galore), you’re missing out.

I listen to everything from New Sons of the Pioneers (wanna see pics of my vinyl collection?) to Death Metal, I love pretty much all music, except for Mariachi stuff, Polka is cool, the strumming of extra guitars is just grating. Aaahhh ho yaaa!
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Well said. Taste in anything is extremely subjective.

And to say that nowadays there is no good music, one displays their tunnel vision. Sure, there's no modern music I like being played on the radio, but to use that to pronounce judgment on the entire music scene is ridiculous.

Normally (in any other year), I spend at least a day at the Waterfront Park Blues Festival over July 4th weekend. It sure would come as a surprise to all the attendees that there is no more good music being made.
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Every generation seems to have their most loved music. I think all music is good, there is just some that I do not prefer.

I lived in Franklin, TN for a few years, just south of Nashville and it was great to be able to go out to over 100 places any night that featured live music of EVERY kind. I especially liked Writers Night at Greene's Grocers in Lepars Fork as many of the writer in my opinion, where better musicians than those that they wrote for. Lived across the street from Vince Gill and next to Deborah Allen. Was a great time.

I found lots of great music even in Monroe , LA when I lived there. Dated Penny Gilly, cousin of Gilly of Texas Fame. She had her Loose Change Band.

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LOL. My gf, who, like me, generally prefers classical (thank heavens, as she's not into guns) has her music player divided into various categories, one of which is "Ding Bang", for the few glaring exceptions to her other tastes.

Then there's this (says he, donning his Nomex suit):

"Enjoying music is like eating candy.
The first thing you do is throw away the rapper."
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Nothing will ever beat 60’s to 70’s Motown, imo, 80% of what I listen too. 49 on XM radio.
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I think in music we each tend to stick with what we remember. There are exceptions of course, but music seems to bring back the past in a vivid (and usually enjoyable) way. My two cents and you're welcome!
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Music should be pleasing to the ear. Music should move you.

If music does that then music has done its job.


Queuing up songs is like dining...It would be a dreary business having to repeatedly order from a one page menu.
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Don't forget the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Hot Tuna, Vanilla Fudge, the Raspberries, the Cranberries, the Lemonheads etc, etc...
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My perspective as a 60 something guitarist.
When Elvis came alone, the big band generation thought it was junk. Then it was the Beatles, Stones, etc. Next came the heavy stuff Hendrix, Sabbath, etc. and so on.
Somewhere along the way, skill and musicianship got replaced with sampling and likes. In rock music there are far fewer gifted players then there used to be. There are no more Rick Wakemans, Richie Blackmores or Neil Perts. No one could even begin to produce a "Dark Side of the Moon" or Bohemian Rhapsody any more. Don't have the talent, don't have a clue.
That is what has changed in music over the years. Styles change, like them or not, just like square soulless, plastic guns. But, the days of Danny Gatton and Santana (registered magnums and Pythons are history.
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Don't confuse the massive problems in the commercial music industry (consolidation, top-down control, formulaic songwriting, lack of support for musicians, etc.) with a lack of creativity and talent in contemporary music.

If you like blues, check out artists like Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats or Leon Bridges.

Some of the finest instrumentalists of the last century feature prominently in today's newgrass space - Chris Thile, Bela Fleck, Edgar Meyer, even Yo-Yo Ma.

There are still a number of great rock bands - Cage the Elephant, Frightened Rabbit (well, the lead singer killed himself, so not anymore), Muse, Vampire Weekend, and so forth. They just don't receive a lot of commercial airplay.

The radio dial stinks, but there's a lot of amazing music being made - or at least there was before everything shut down.
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The radio dial stinks, but there's a lot of amazing music being made - or at least there was before everything shut down.
The last two weeks I have been binge listening to Home Free (country a cappella with the best human beat box and human bass guitar voice simulator I've heard), Dirty Loops (three mutants in their 20's from The Royal College of Music in Stockholm) and a 17 year old Japanese guitar phenom named Kent Nishimura.

PS: I am a yuge Edgar Meyer devotee. ☺
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I'm trying real hard to remember. Joe
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I have had the pleasure of meeting both Jorma and Jack at the Fur Peace Ranch. Good times.
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I agree with some of you, from a multi-generational perspective. Music does not improve over time.

My grandparents thought my parents' music was a bunch of noise.

My parents thought my music was a bunch of noise.

I think my kids' music is cacophony.

The genre we can all listen to is classical, from long-dead musicians who did not die of drug overdoses, and whose creative talents were not fueled by drugs.

I actually play a couple of instruments for relaxation and I've performed different kinds of music from different periods. One type I can't do is rap.
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And this week we are saddened by the loss of the Maestro :
Ennio Morricone has passed

Maybe not the music on your radio growing up, but certainly worth listening to now.
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Bugkiller, you are correct in that we all should spend time studying Ennio. Absalom has a nice tribute thread going on him:

Ennio Morricone has passed
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My parents thought my music was a bunch of noise.

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Some of the finest instrumentalists of the last century feature prominently in today's newgrass space - Chris Thile, Bela Fleck, Edgar Meyer, even Yo-Yo Ma.
Speaking of which, this new release sounds interesting:
‘Not Our First Goat Rodeo’ combines the talents of the four solo artists, each a Grammy Award- winning talent in his own right, to create a singular sound that’s part composed, part improvised, and uniquely American.
The music featured in this stunning album is so complex to pull off that the group likens it to a goat rodeo — an aviation term for a situation in which 100 things need to go right to avoid disaster
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I like Saint Motel. This song has “Smith and Wesson” in the lyrics, and it’s not anti-gun

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