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07-09-2020, 09:50 PM
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The National Bail Fund Network
Check it out, especially the one listing cities and states. It will give you a little idea of how organized some are and what is coming down the pike
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07-10-2020, 12:28 PM
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YOU NEED TO READ. I had never heard of the organization until it was mentioned in the Oklahoman as one of the sources that provided part of the $2.1 million cash bond money that got eight of the OKC rioters out of jail. BLM plans to get the rest bonded out as soon as they can get the cash.
The National Bail Bond Network was established for the purpose of providing funds to bail out protesters and rioters. Since June 1st it is estimated that this organization and like groups have received more than $75 million in donations.
As far as I know the people whose businesses and property have been damaged or destroyed, those who could not get to their jobs because of people blocking streets and highways and those roughed up by the fioters have no organization supporting them in any way. Likewise the police are in a similar situation. From the city governments to the U.S. Congress all police are under fire, not just the individuals that deserve it.
What are we going to do??????
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07-10-2020, 02:03 PM
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YOU NEED TO READ. .....
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Since your imploring us and I didn't know anything about this subject, and you didn't post a reference link to read, I Googled it.
The National Criminal Justice Association's Outstanding Criminal Justice Program Award went to a bail fund.
In 2015, The Bronx Freedom Fund began a substantial expansion, raising additional funds, hiring new bail associates and significantly increasing its capacity, including expanding operations into other boroughs. The Freedom Fund is on track to bail out over 1,000 people per year. Also in 2015, the organization was awarded the National Criminal Justice Association's Outstanding Criminal Justice Program Award for the Northeast Region.
From Wiki:
A bail fund is an organization, often charitable, community and volunteer-driven, or both, that collects money for the purpose of posting monetary bail for those in jail on pre-trial detention. Recipients may include those who cannot afford bail on their own or those who are in jail due to being arrested while protesting. Community bail funds determine their own criteria for eligibility and amount of bail that they will support. As of 2020, there are over 60 community bail funds around the United States represented in the National Bail Fund Network.
Bail funds are related to bail reform efforts, as by paying individual bails, funds help directly address the disparities in case outcomes faced by those in pre-trial detention who are unable to post bail. Being unable to pay bail, and thus staying in jail longer before trial, means that defendants who cannot afford bail may have issues with managing or keeping employment, childcare, housing, or mounting an effective defense in their case, leading to poorer case outcomes. The Vera Institute of Justice found that in 2013 in New York, 54% of inmates who remained in jail until their cases were disposed could not afford their bail of $2500 or less. In 2020, the Prison Policy Initiative found that over half a million people were in jail or prison on pre-trial detention in the United States at any given time, many because they could not afford bail.
The history of bail funds dates back to the 1920s; the American Civil Liberties Union set up a bail fund in 1920 to release people arrested for sedition during the First Red Scare. However, the rise of community bail funds across the United States has only happened since around 2012. In 2012, New York passed the only law related to bail funds in the United States when it legalized charitable bail funds that posted bails of $2000 or less, which led to the revival of The Bronx Freedom Fund and the creation of the Brooklyn Bail Fund.
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07-10-2020, 03:01 PM
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To my friend bigwheelzip. I understand the need for bail bond reform for trivial crimes. These were not trivial crimes or small bond dollars, $2.1 million for eight people. They were for rioting, A and B on a police officer and burning and looting property.
All I am saying is that the criminals, and those that commit those acts are criminals, have organizations protecting them and with the police handicapped as they are in many places, the public has little organized protection of any sort.
Bless the Mayor and the OKC Police Dept. for having the guts to contain the riots and keep the property damage down.
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07-10-2020, 03:04 PM
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Easy way to shut this down- declare them a flight risk and deny bail.
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07-10-2020, 04:02 PM
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This thread is so rich with opportunity to say how I really feel. I choose to move on before I do that.
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07-10-2020, 04:36 PM
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Many years ago, I was in a group which included a law school professor from Chicago. Decent enough fella, but saw the world through eyes that had never been off campus as an adult. He was on a "pre-trial release" committee operating on the principle that no one who was charged with a crime but not yet convicted should ever be in custody, period, without regard to any prior convictions or the nature of the current charges. He was quite proud of success in helping the local jail reduce its population. Late one evening as he was watching PBS, his expensive guard dog came streakng through the living room, whining, with its tail between its legs. The dog was closely followed by two large felons who had squeezed thru the dog door. They trussed the prof like a turkey and dropped him face-down in the bathtub, then loaded up everything of value and drove it all away in his Mercedes Benz.
When they were apprehended while selling the car, it turned out that both were multiple felony offenders who had been in pretrial detention until the prof's bail group got them released.
While I must confess that I have been accused of being somewhat to the right of Gengis Khan on some criminal law issues, I was quite proud of myself for keeping a straight face when the prof shared his experience. Who sez Karma is a myth?
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07-10-2020, 07:08 PM
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Some folks think it’s always happens to somebody else.
Not always!
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07-10-2020, 09:14 PM
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I was quite proud of myself for keeping a straight face when the prof shared his experience.
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Sir,
The question is, did he learn anything from it???
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07-10-2020, 09:38 PM
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This post begs for a response but I have too many points now so I'll shut up and quietly watch my blood pressure go up.
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07-10-2020, 09:47 PM
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Breath Doug. I really wasn't trolling you or anyone else. Just pointing out that the bail fund didn't do this one any good.
Of course his situation probably was complicated some by the fact that he was already out on bail when got caught in the riot trying to burn down....wait for it...
...a bail bondsman's office.
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07-10-2020, 09:48 PM
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Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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07-10-2020, 10:26 PM
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Karma is not a myth. Karma is a female dog.
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there is a reason for jails (not prisons-jails).
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