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I can’t believe the attacks on the police in Chicago. They were ambushed by a huge mob throwing bricks, frozen water bottles, sharpened “protest” banner poles, etc. that were previously stockpiled.
A few were severely injured.
I think it’s past time we of the silent majority stepped up and back up the police to stop this madness.
We can protest the companies that are boycotting any organizations that don’t walk their line by not spending our money for their products anymore. I think I’m done with sports this year.
They’ve strayed way beyond their purpose of entertaining us.
If we don’t start being more vocal and counter protesting with our wallets, we may lose that opportunity soon. It may be too late for that already.
It’s like watching a friggin train wreck and I’m getting tired of it.
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Agree, but those police don't need defending by the silent majority. They're out there by choice. They need to decide if their life is worth defending a city that considers you the enemy, and then relocate to a more civil area. The cities are beyond help at this point. The silent majority needs to concentrate on defending their property, their family, and neighborhood. The savages haven't tasted deadly force yet.
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I agree. I’d sure like to turn this around before they taste that deadly force.
If someone flips that switch it will get ugly. I do believe it will end quickly if that happens, but there’s got to be a better way.
You know, if my dog peed on the carpet I wouldn’t just ignore it and say “ good boy, but don’t do it again, ok?”
He’s going to get punished for it so he learns it’s not acceptable behavior.
I really don’t want to shoot him because of it though.
If he attacks me? Different punishment
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Agree, but those police don't need defending by the silent majority. They're out there by choice. They need to decide if their life is worth defending a city that considers you the enemy, and then relocate to a more civil area. The cities are beyond help at this point. The silent majority needs to concentrate on defending their property, their family, and neighborhood. The savages haven't tasted deadly force yet.
Yes they chose the profession but there is no way they can survive an onslaught of thousands of people with no backing from above.
If they don’t have that backing, it better come from somewhere or else we’re all in for it.
I’m not ready to give squat to these people. These are our cities, not some Marxist wanna be’s. If they want Marxism there’s plenty of cities in Russia they can move to.
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I was done with pro sports two years ago. Not many of us need to take citizenship lessons from multi-millionaire pro athletes and Hollywood "entertainers."
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Liberal governor, liberal mayor and a demoralized police department. What could possibly go wrong?
Let’s not lean political. I’m talking about social ills and I realize that it’s a very fine line between them but there is a line.
I may have crossed it myself with my Marxist comments but I don’t recognize them as a political body, but more of a dying body.
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This is a blog by a Chicago PO. Something like 40 officers hurt, 16 hospitalized in this Christopher Columbus attack.. One Sargent will probably lose an eye. These riots are being organized and executed by left wing agitators with a lot of money behind them. But we all know that. Rioters pushed shopping carts full of bricks and frozen water bottles thru the crowd supplying them with stuff to throw at cops. It's not raining they use umbrellas to hide there faces and arm themselves. Rioters sharpened the ends of pvc pipes to stab at officers. Police are afraid to use horses because rioters may stab them.
Tab down to a topic labeled "This is peaceful" and open link. If you've got the time read the whole blog.

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But, when did they make that choice?

I imagine that fewer qualified applicants are applying for L/E positions today, and many qualified mid-career officers are leaving or actively looking for other employment. Many who are able to are retiring in ever increasing numbers. I know two officers who just reached minimum age and years of service who have put in their papers. Both had planned to hang around a few years longer, but wisely decided not to put up with the Bravo Sierra any longer.
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As long as the "leadership" of those big cities ties the hands of the police this will continue and get progressively worse.

The police need to be able to respond in a forceful manner. That would end it.

Those "protestors" are cowards who only do this because they know the police aren't allowed to fight back. The police have the means to stop it they just need permission.

How is it that thrown bricks and such aren't considered deadly force attacks? They should be met with deadly force countermeasures.
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A few examples of overwhelming force would go a long way IMO to slow these clowns down. Without meaningful consequences what is to end this?
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This is a blog by a Chicago PO. Something like 40 officers hurt, 16 hospitalized in this Christopher Columbus attack.. One Sargent will probably lose an eye. These riots are being organized and executed by left wing agitators with a lot of money behind them. But we all know that. Rioters pushed shopping carts full of bricks and frozen water bottles thru the crowd supplying them with stuff to throw at cops. It's not raining they use umbrellas to hide there faces and arm themselves. Rioters sharpened the ends of pvc pipes to stab at officers. Police are afraid to use horses because rioters may stab them.
Tab down to a topic labeled "This is peaceful" and open link. If you've got the time read the whole blog.

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I’m concerned about the answer to that one
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As I and everyone I know, mostly old men, are also worried. Each and every one of us, in our own way has decided we will not be bullied or made to feel guilt because we did our best to live up to our commitments to family and self.
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Here's another video released by CPD. You can see where the agitators are laying out frozen water bottles for the crowd to throw
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Agree, but those police don't need defending by the silent majority. They're out there by choice. They need to decide if their life is worth defending a city that considers you the enemy, and then relocate to a more civil area. The cities are beyond help at this point. The silent majority needs to concentrate on defending their property, their family, and neighborhood. The savages haven't tasted deadly force yet.
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A few examples of overwhelming force would go a long way IMO to slow these clowns down. Without meaningful consequences what is to end this?
I doubt if any of today's "protesters" know a lot about the Kent State events of 1970. If it happened then, it could happen now.
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What is happening is very sad and it’s not right for the police to have to put up with this. These Chiefs and Commissioners need to grow a set and go up against the powers to be to start stopping this. If not,hand them the badge and the gun and tell them to go deal with it. These Mayors and town councils need to be put in their places for allowing this. Quit pandering to these sphincter hats and quit playing politics.
If the police start doing what they have to do what are they going to do arrest them? Who would stop them. I realize this is a slippery slope but it needs to be stopped.
I could never be a police officer, have someone throw things at me, spit at me and try to take a swipe at me without busting heads and this my friends is what needs to happen!
This whole thing has gone away from “peaceful protesting” and heads need to roll. I could never live in one of these cities!
These moron mayors and governors criticizing the Feds for sending in Federal agents to take care of what they cannot is totally asinine.
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the first officers to walk should be the "security details" with a goodbye handshake and a good luck... hopefully in a sketchy neighborhood.
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Parts of cities have been occupied. Businesses and entire city blocks have been looted and burned. Senior citizens have been weight-layed and beaten on the sidewalk. Neighborhoods have been invaded. Police officers have been abused, physically attacked, ambushed, and executed.

What line is it that we're waiting to be crossed?
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Are water cannons illegal ? Why the heck aren't they being used ??
Because it's a waste of perfectly good water. 165 grains of lead would be a much better choice. You get hit with water, you dry up and go back for more. Get hit with lead and I guarantee you they won't come back the next day.
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I may have crossed it myself with my Marxist comments but I don’t recognize them as a political body, but more of a dying body.
You can rest assured the Marxists are not going away, no matter how the elections turn out.
They will win in the end, because the changing demographics do not favor those of us who believe the Constitution means what it says, and want to keep our traditions and liberty.

I wil do what I can to forestall total socialist rule while I am of sound mind and body, but I am old, and what I am seeing and hearing from most of the under 35 crowd does not bode well for our republic.
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They will win in the end, because the changing demographics do not favor those of us who believe the Constitution means what it says, and want to keep our traditions and liberty.

I wil do what I can to forestall total socialist rule while I am of sound mind and body, but I am old, and what I am seeing and hearing from most of the under 35 crowd does not bode well for our republic.
I don't foresee the Marxists winning in the end, but I do foresee the likelihood of armed confrontation in the fairly near future.

Unfortunately for the rioters and their supporters, the cities are fragile- rural areas aren't and the under 35 demographic in the countryside doesn't have the same outlook as the woke urban yupsters.

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These demonstrations have nothing to do with Marxists or Marxism. Whoever said demographics hit the nail on the head. For those who will come out on the short end of the demographic stick, it is about racial fear. The real threat to our freedoms comes from those who, out of that fear, would impose a fascist dystopia. For the big machers at the top, nothing really matters except the availability of cheap labor, by hook or by crook.
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These demonstrations have nothing to do with Marxists or Marxism. Whoever said demographics hit the nail on the head. For those who will come out on the short end of the demographic stick, it is about racial fear. The real threat to our freedoms comes from those who, out of that fear, would impose a fascist dystopia. For the big machers at the top, nothing really matters except the availability of cheap labor, by hook or by crook.
I think you have that somewhat backward. It's a well funded attempt to destabilize the Republic- paid for by Marxists and their various dupes. I don't think it's really racially motivated, although that's the flag they're presently flying.

Here's an interesting article, well worth reading. Most "minorities" don't support BLM or its aims.
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I think you have that somewhat backward. It's a well funded attempt to destabilize the Republic- paid for by Marxists and their various dupes. I don't think it's really racially motivated, although that's the flag they're presently flying.

Here's an interesting article, well worth reading. Most "minorities" don't support BLM or its aims.
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You can't win a fight with one hand tied behind your back. Take the gloves off or go home. The first LEOS to walk should be the political security details.
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They are just practising for later in the summer when the really big riots will happen. They will force the President to make a declaration of martial law. Just think what the people's mood will be when they go the polls under a decree of martial law.
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The application of force is always brutal. The longer the good side waits, the better, not in a practical sense, but better in the moral sense. The chaos and those who support it are looking less and less "good" with every passing day. Soon the offer of help to those communities in chaos will be accepted. I do not know how that will "look", but I hope order will prevail quickly.

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They are just practising for later in the summer when the really big riots will happen. They will force the President to make a declaration of martial law. Just think what the people's mood will be when they go the polls under a decree of martial law.
So Portland and Seattle are tune ups?
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I can’t believe the attacks on the police in Chicago. They were ambushed by a huge mob throwing bricks, frozen water bottles, sharpened “protest” banner poles, etc. that were previously stockpiled.
A few were severely injured.
I think it’s past time we of the silent majority stepped up and back up the police to stop this madness.
I never watch the news. I thought all this had stopped last month.
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Unfortunately no, it hasn’t. It’s ramped up quite a bit.
And even if you’ve watched the news you won’t hear most of what’s going on.
For instance, here in Richmond they’ve been protesting for the last 60+ days, every day/night.
I believe that’s the case in most major cities but it’s not newsworthy.
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A few well placed bullets would end a lot of this. Too bad that the people that are funding this can stay hidden from view. That is where the first ones should go. They want to overthrow everything that we have been so proud to fight for. We have problems but not not nearly what we will have unless this is stopped.
Look at the flack the Feds in Oregon are getting. I will bet that those being picked by the black cars are not regular protesters, but selected mob members.
If you will dig deep enough on your computer you can find some of the connections that George Soros and others have. You might be surprised.
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The only time that evil triumphs is when good men fail to act.
What you tolerate, you deserve.
Looting and the rioting that spawned it are criminal behaviors and as such, are not protected rights. Those behaviors must be dispatched with measured force, completely. If arson of anything, and assault and battery of anyone is legitimized, we have lost that which keeps us a civil society.
It is a cultural battle really.
Pick a side, and take a position, and stand your ground.
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In response to the protests following George Floyd's death, the MN legislature passed a Police Reform Bill a few hours ago, and the Governor has said he'll sign it.

"Minnesota Lawmakers Pass Historic Police Reform Bill: ‘This Is Only The Beginning’ – WCCO | CBS Minnesota" Minnesota Lawmakers Pass Historic Police Reform Bill: ‘This Is Only The Beginning’ – WCCO | CBS Minnesota

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In response to the protests following George Floyd's death, the MN legislature passed a Police Reform Bill a few hours ago, and the Governor has said he'll sign it.

"Minnesota Lawmakers Pass Historic Police Reform Bill: ‘This Is Only The Beginning’ – WCCO | CBS Minnesota" Minnesota Lawmakers Pass Historic Police Reform Bill: ‘This Is Only The Beginning’ – WCCO | CBS Minnesota

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Two weeks ago we passed thru both Portland & Seattle on a visit. Blue tarps & tents were under almost every bridge. Paper, cups. T P, etc were blowing all over. I wondered what the Blank was going on? I was very happy yo get back to the hills & home.
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I doubt if any of today's "protesters" know a lot about the Kent State events of 1970. If it happened then, it could happen now.
That is my concern and is exactly what those organizing these things want. Grew up here in central Ohio and I remember it well. One of these police groups is going to get cornered by a large crowd and the fear will take over. We know what the talking points are at that point. A retired PO here in Columbus wrote an open letter to the community trying to warn them of what is happening and how officials are suppressing response. If what he says is true, and I have no reason not to believe him, Columbus us about to become a very dangerous place.
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I doubt if any of today's "protesters" know a lot about the Kent State events of 1970. If it happened then, it could happen now.
That is my concern and is exactly what those organizing these things want. Grew up here in central Ohio and I remember it well. One of these police groups is going to get cornered by a large crowd and the fear will take over. We know what the talking points are at that point. A retired PO here in Columbus wrote an open letter to the community trying to warn them of what is happening and how officials are suppressing response. If what he says is true, and I have no reason not to believe him, Columbus is about to become a very dangerous place.

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