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Default Your Local Legends/mysteries—Viking or otherwise.

When I was growing up I was always fascinated by sea stores (Mutiny on the Bounty was my favorite book) and Viking tales. All of this is a bit ironic for one growing up landlocked at the foothills of the Ozark Mountains.

When I saw Kirk Douglas in The Vikings one Saturday afternoon at our local theater, I was firmly hooked on Viking lore. We also had a Runestone just across the border in Indian Territory—the Heavener Runestone.

Originally it was thought to list a date, but further research has established it basically says Gnome’s Valley and is likely a relatively modern fake, albeit an interesting one. It was probably carved by a local Swedish immigrant.

I have corresponded quite a bit with Dr. Graeme Davis who wrote the excellent book Vikings in America that I highly recommend. There is solid evidence of Vikings on the North American Continent but any exploration into the interior is highly speculative.

With all of our science, I think man generally believes we have solved all the world’s mysteries. But I still like to think of Viking explorers navigating up the Arkansas and Poteau Rivers marking off their territory!

What are the interesting local legends or mysteries in your area?
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Oh, the Alamo! Legend, not mystery.

Or, Jim Bowie's lost silver mine.

And I know one young nurse's aide who believes in mermaids.
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The Conneaut giants, a race of humans that were 7-8’ tall with red hair. Native Americans were afraid of the warrior race of giants.


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We lived in Alexandria, Minnesota, home of the Kensington Runestone, for several years in the '60s.

Runestone – Runestone Museum

There are plenty of articles on the internet about the authenticity (or lack thereof) of that item.
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We got the New Mexico Mystery Rock.
It’s a large Boulder with writing described as Phoenician Greek.
Ten Commandments, or the story of lost tribe of Israel, - man, were they ever lost!
Los Lunas Decalogue Stone - Wikipedia

Since a number of linguist experts have examined it and can’t decrypt it,
I say it’s Gibberish and Bogus.
And it was ‘found’ by a local Prof who was involved in other fake activity.
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We also had a Runestone just across the border in Indian Territory—the Heavener Runestone.

Originally it was thought to list a date, but further research has established it basically says Gnome’s Valley and is likely a relatively modern fake, albeit an interesting one. It was probably carved by a local Swedish immigrant.



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The lost Dutchman's Gold mine in the Superstition Mountains.
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Since I was a kid and living in Albuquerque, there was the legend of *Manzano Mountains. The Manzano Mountains are a mountain range to the South and East of ABQ metro and East of Kirtland AFB. The legend was that the entire mountain was hollowed out and there was a base inside that housed whatever comes to mind - like aliens - Manzano Base - Weapons Storage Area.

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It was decommissioned the early 90s. A new storage site took over, KUMSC.


KAFB home to massive nuclear storage complex
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KAFB home to massive nuclear storage complex >> Albuquerque Journal

*Manzano is Spanish for apple. The mountains got their name for old orchards found by the Spanish explorers in the 1700s. The funny thing is, apples are not native and no one knows where they came from.


There's also Dulce, NM, another hollowed out mountain with aliens.

And Roswell aliens and UFO crash site near Corona NM.
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Well, we've got Sasquatch.

But I think we've already had too many bigfoot threads on the forum


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My last home on Long Island was near the Amityville Horror house. The place was a magnet for people fascinated by evil energy.

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What more famous legend is there than the story of Punxsutawney Phil?
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Eons ago in the northern part of Texas, there existed an athletic team that won many contests and championships. They were so successful, they were known as "America's Team". The Owner and his Coach formed a nearly unbeatable winning combination. However, the Owner developed the sin of pridefulness and could not bear to share the glory of winning with the Coach. Consequently, he banished the Coach to a yacht in Florida. In return, the Coach placed the Midas Curse on the Owner. Everything the Owner touched would turn to gold, but he could never possess the thing he wanted the most, an ancient Roman artifact known as the Lombardi Trophy. The curse continues to this day, and while the Owner has become exceedingly wealthy, he has not touched the Lombardi Trophy in 24 years. The moral of this fable: There is no "I" in team.
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I'm still waiting to see a Snipe. Went on a Snipe hunt as a youngster and never saw one.
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Michigan supposedly had “Dogman” roaming the north woods.
It’s probably just an unwashed deer hunter after two weeks without a shave!
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I read another fascinating article last night on Viking Mooring Stones that were commonly used in Scandinavian countries to tie off longboats along treeless shorelines and in other areas where the Vikings explored.

Such stones have been found in Minnesota, Michigan and other states bordering the Great Lakes and used as evidence of a Viking presence in the central part of the continent

But it turns out in researching the stones many early settlers in the Great Lakes region would frequently use chisels to drive holes in large stones, pour them full of black powder, then try to blow the stones apart to clear land or get stone pieces to work with in building.

So more “evidence” debunked.
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I read another fascinating article last night on Viking Mooring Stones that were commonly used in Scandinavian countries to tie off longboats along treeless shorelines and in other areas where the Vikings explored.

Such stones have been found in Minnesota, Michigan and other states bordering the Great Lakes and used as evidence of a Viking presence in the central part of the continent

But it turns out in researching the stones many early settlers in the Great Lakes region would frequently use chisels to drive holes in large stones, pour them full of black powder, then try to blow the stones apart to clear land or get stone pieces to work with in building.

So more “evidence” debunked.
Maybe this explains what is wrong with the Vikings. Make that the 0-2 Vikings.
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I'm still waiting to see a Snipe. Went on a Snipe hunt as a youngster and never saw one.
Snipe really do exist and I have seen them. They are a long beaked shore bird. A lot like or maybe even in the woodcock family.

Here there is Lewis and Clark"s stash, Some Indian stuff. Henry Plummers gold etc.
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..of Ghost Stories. And the mysterious 'Five Mile House' which is where travelers were waylaid for real. Of course we have the 'Summerville Light' (Everybody has one).

On the Five Mile House, Lavinia Fisher and her husband were convicted and hung as the first serial killers in the US. For a long time her skeleton hung in the old museum, but when they built a new building there were no more 'gruesome' exhibits and her skeleton and the shrunken head were stored away.
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Out here in SW Missouri there's been a long tradition that Confederates hid gold in one of the many caves in this area. This area has lots of caves, we have folks who splunk and explore but, no gold yet.
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Here in South Louisiana we have the Loup-Garou aka Rougarou A sort of wolfman/werewolf that lives in the swamps. Usually comes out in public during Mardi Gras or some towns have a Rougarou festival, no set date.
He is often used to frighten children into behaving well.
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I'm still waiting to see a Snipe. Went on a Snipe hunt as a youngster and never saw one.
I directed many a snipe hunt in the Boy Scouts, since I was the exalted and respected Senior Patrol Leader. I always provided expert instruction from my deep experience, you know: stick, bag, whistling, full moon, down by the mudhole, etc. Gave them all my best experience, but those darn Tenderfoots never could manage to catch one.
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Lake Wallenpaupack is a large man made Lake on the border of Wayne and Pike Counties. It was formed in the 1920's when PA Power & Light dammed the Wallenpaupack Creek. The village of Wilsonville was submerged.

Legend has it that then the lake is at its lowest level you can see the church steeple poking up through the surface of the lake.

Well, it's not true, as Wilsonville was flattened before the lake filled up.

But it makes for a good legend.
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Here in South Louisiana we have the Loup-Garou aka Rougarou A sort of wolfman/werewolf that lives in the swamps. Usually comes out in public during Mardi Gras or some towns have a Rougarou festival, no set date.
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I first heard about Loup Garou on 'Jonny Quest' but they were French Canadians. Do they have the same legend? I'd think it would be more likely in the North Woods and come to Louisianna by word of mouth, but Johnny Quest is not an acknowledged factual source.
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I have both Batmobiles in the garage right now.

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Did the same thing myself years later, except when I was in for Order of The Arrow.
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Down in Southeast Louisiana we have the legend of the Rougarou and the Honey Island Swamp Monster.

Legend has it the Rougarou would trap children who didn't behave and later eat them. The Rougarou is thought to be werewolf-like creature.

The Honey Island Swamp Monster is said to come from parts of the Honey Island Swamp lands that are claimed to be as untouched by man as anywhere in America. The Swamp Monster is thought to be Louisiana's cousin of Bigfoot. Many people claim he is real and have seen him. The Native Americans of the area called the creature Letiche, and described it as meat eating, human-like creature that lived in the water and on the land. The Indians from this area believed that the swamp monster was once an abandoned child who was raised by alligators in the deep dark regions of the swamp.
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Well, we've got Sasquatch.

But I think we've already had too many bigfoot threads on the forum


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One of the lakes has a critter called "Ogy Pogy (think Ogalalla) The native tribes have sagas about it, its on the order of the Loch Ness monster. Some of our lakes have depths over 1000', one of the closer lakes Pend O'reille is used by the Navy to work on submarine stuff.
It always seemed like a no-brainer that the Vikings got here well before Columbus, its not that much further than noted exploration of Greenland and Iceland. Some accounts have them here around 1000 a.d. near Newfoundland.
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.....Bigfoots...uh, Bigfeets....uh...

Well all the bones and skulls disappeared so who knows, Conneaut is on the southern shore of Lake Erie so maybe Vikings, BF or Nephilim.


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Just north of us is Astoria, which is the oldest permanent settlement west of the Mississippi. It's largely Scandinavian. There's even a street named Lief Erikson Drive. But no legends attached to any of that. Sailors were commonly shanghaied, but that's about it as far as legends go.

However, about 30 minutes south of us is Neahkahnie Mountain. I heard about gold up there when I was little. My wife and I drive to the viewpoint and hang out on nice days, and we commonly see whales spouting. But here's a link to the story behind the legend:
The legendary Spanish gold of Neahkahnie Mountain | Offbeat Oregon History | #ofor
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There's also "La Lloróna" - the crying woman. It's the story about a woman who drowns her children and walks the earth mourning their deaths. She downed her children and herself to get back at her cheating husband. She's denied entry into heaven until she finds the souls of her children. As she searches she cries and takes children who are alone by ditches, and rivers. Then, when she realizes they're not hers, she drowns them, too. It's said that if you hear her cries or see her - a woman in a veiled white dress - bad things will happen to you.

As a kid, lived by a network of irrigation ditches and heard this story often - ditches are deadly. When a kid drowned, the Lloróna got them it was said. The other anglicized name was/is the "ditch witch".

As an aside, when someone cries/complains a lot call, them a "llorón" or "lloróna", depending on gender - a crybaby. "Llorón" is pronounced yoh - rohn.
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We have a couple here in Ohio. The Ohio Grassman which is the equivalent to Bigfoot and then there is hangar 18 at Wright Patterson AFB. Legend has it that the wreckage of a UFO and the remains of the occupants were housed in hangar 18. Some folks still believe that it was and is true. As far as Vikings traveling to and landing on US soil, I think they had the ability to do so and probably did. We just can't prove it yet. Look at what is happening with Lidar technology in SA. They are finding that the ancient civilizations were much larger then originally estimated, but the jungle hid the evidence. There is still much to be discovered about our world.

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In fact, this chamber tucked away in the woods of Putnam County resembles the neolithic stone monuments of the ancient Celts. So do the roughly 100 similar stone chambers in Putnam.

Mr. Brech, the Hudson Valley coordinator for the New England Antiquities Research Association, is convinced that stone structures like this one were built by ancient European explorers, possibly Celts, who sailed to the New World centuries before Columbus.

Putnam'''s Mysterious Chambers of Stone - The New York Times

There was one on the property I lived on & I used it for deer hunting & got a deer every year with out fail

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1. Mel's Hole: From Wikipedia:

The legend of the bottomless hole started on February 21, 1997, when a man identifying himself as Mel Waters appeared as a guest on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. Waters claimed that he owned rural property nine miles west of Ellensburg in Kittitas County, Washington that contained a mysterious hole. According to Waters, the hole had an unknown depth of at least 80,000 feet. He claimed to have measured its depth using fishing line and a weight, although he still had not hit bottom by the time 80,000 feet of line had been used. He also claimed that his neighbor's dead dog had been seen alive sometime after it was thrown into the hole. According to Waters, the hole's magical properties prompted US federal agents to seize the land and fund his relocation to Australia.[2]

Waters made guest appearances on Bell's show in 1997, 2000, and 2002. Rebroadcasts of those appearances have helped create what's been described as a "modern, rural myth". The exact location of the hole was unspecified, yet several people claimed to have seen it,[1][3] such as Gerald R. Osborne, who used the ceremonial name Red Elk, who described himself as an "intertribal medicine man...half-breed Native American / white",[4][5] and who told reporters in 2012 he visited the hole many times since 1961 and claimed the US government maintained a top secret base there where "alien activity" occurs.[6][2] But in 2002, Osborne was unable to find the hole on an expedition of 30 people he was leading.[7]

Local news reporters who investigated the claims found no public records of anyone named Mel Waters ever residing in, or owning property in Kittitas County. According to State Department of Natural Resources geologist Jack Powell, the hole does not exist and is geologically impossible. A hole of the depth claimed "would collapse into itself under the tremendous pressure and heat from the surrounding strata," said Powell. Powell said an ordinary old mine shaft on private property was probably the inspiration for the stories, and commented that Mel's Hole had established itself as a legend "based on no evidence at all".

2. The Indians who lived in the desert near the Salton Sea had a legend of a long ship with a "snake head" and wings like clouds that sailed into the Salton Sea and was stranded (See my background notes in next paragraph). The people on board had red hair and beards. The Indians killed the men and married the women. When the Spanish came in, they reported the occasional Indian with red hair.

Background: The Salton Sea has existed at different times during the ages. It is really a flood plain separated from the Colorado River by low hills. During certain hurricanes/monsoons there is access from the Gulf of California.

I read (and, IIRC) & saw a photo in an old magazine about a prospector finding the remains of a Viking ship and the picture showed the Salton Sea in the background. It was based on an early 20th Century story in a now defunct Indio newspaper (IIRC: 1910 or so). In 1910 or so, the Salton Sea area was one of the most inhospitable areas on earth!

3. Down by the Salton Sea, there are several intaglios like those by Nazco in Peru==Giant stone figures laid out in the soil. A private pilot was flying from Bishop south to Blythe using the Colorado River as his guide. He was blown off course by a sandstorm and saw some fantastic intaglios. He took some pictures and continues flying until he saw some landmarks. He took the pictures to Northern Arizona Museum in Flagstaff to see if they wanted to purchase copies. They told him that they certainly did want to buy copies for these figures were totally unknown ones.
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I'm still waiting to see a Snipe. Went on a Snipe hunt as a youngster and never saw one.
Perhaps you were hunting where there were no snipes. Go here for a cute read about two types of snipe hunting.
what is a snipe and how do you hunt them? -

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We have the Police Academy, which used to be a sanatorium...said to be haunted by a nurse that worked there, caught TB herself and died.

HAUNTED VERMONT • Vermont Police Academy, Pittsford, VT
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And then of course we have Champ, the Lake Champlain monster.

Champ, the Lake Champlain Monster | Lake Champlain Region
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