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Masks are hard on us old people
I don't see as well as I used to and having my glasses fog up while wearing a mask doesn't help any. I also don't hear as well so trying to hear someone who is waring a mask is also a problem. As your hearing declines you pick up clues to what people are saying by watching their lips. Not complete lip reading but we do receive some help that way. Not commenting one way or the other on mask use. That is up to each person as he sees fit.
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I have the same problem, I was told that if use soap on your glasses and don' rinse all the soap out and them dry them it helps so they don't fog so bad. The fogging I think is worse when I wear my hat closer to my face.
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Then there's the over the ear hearing aids getting fouled in the mask straps as you are trying to take the mask off.
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You are right in that the mask makes hearing a lot more difficult but it is a whole lot easier to say "what" then the alternative. Hang in there.
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Well, at almost 68 years old, I don't care for masks either...but I think being hospitalized on a ventilator would likely bother me more...
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I have a Difficult time with them too
But to me this is Clearly a case of
"Better Safe than Sorry"
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Yeah but we wouldn't be able to hear them. *s*
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Hubby and I both stop in our tracks when we step out of the walk-in cooler at COSTCO, as our masks make our eyeglasses go opaque.
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I am also a fogging up, can see their lips and behind the ears hearing aid tangling up guy.
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After about 20 minutes with the mask on, I start feeling dizzy and developing a headache. Apparently, the cause is concentration of CO2 inside the mask. I've tried five different masks of different materials with the same result. Think I'll try using a face shield instead.
Recently, a doctor stated that wearing a mask to shield the virus was comparable to using a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes.
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A big help for the issue of your glasses fogging up is to spend a few dollars extra on a mask with an exhalation valve. This directs your exhaled breath outward and away from your glasses to prevent fogging. It also reduces the amount of your own CO2 that you rebreathe making you feel better and less constricted.
Just my two cents worth...
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I just hate having to take it off to cough or sneeze.
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I don't wear one.
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I've been using this anti-fog stuff for my glasses (see pic below) for years while hunting. Found it works pretty well while wearing a mask also. It also comes in a spray bottle but that is not as effective as the tub,IMO.
One little tub of this stuff will last for a long time. Just google Cat**** and you can see where it's sold. Don
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I have learned that if the mask is well up on my nose, and the bottom
of my glasses are over, on the outside, of the mask, the glasses do not
fog up. Try it. The hearing is a problem I haven't figured out yet. Too
vain and poor to get hearing aids. Difficult breathing is my biggest
objection to the masks, but as Beemerguy53 said the mask is better
than the ventilator.
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It’s frustrating, isn’t it?
I had to wear my mask for about 8 hours straight when I had surgery the other day. Not fun, my ears were somewhat raw afterwards. But at this point the masks have several months of data on their side, while the mask opponents have nothing but opinions.
The effectiveness of protective equipment has unfortunately always been inversely proportional to its comfort.
The knights in the Middle Ages were probably posting about those horribly uncomfortable helmets on Feudalbook ...
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I found that if I make sure to have the mask pinched tight against my nose and slip it just a tad under my lenses, it improved the fogging thingy a whole bunch.
I also have behind the ear hearing aids that apparantly has no solution for getting tangled up. And yes, it's more difficult to understand some folks who speak to me with a mask on; especially if there's a lot of background noise.
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I live in a free state and it is full of scofflaws. Masks are pretty much optional and wuflu is pretty much history.
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After about 20 minutes with the mask on, I start feeling dizzy and developing a headache. Apparently, the cause is concentration of CO2 inside the mask. I've tried five different masks of different materials with the same result. Think I'll try using a face shield instead.
Recently, a doctor stated that wearing a mask to shield the virus was comparable to using a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes.
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Hmmm...that doesn't sound like much of a doctor to me. Was he named Mallard?
The mask doesn't stop viral particles; it stops the larger droplets you exhale, cough, or sneeze, which contain those viral particles. That's how you protect other people, and if they're wearing masks, they protect you by not letting their droplets get out.
Here's a simple test: Try to blow a candle out from a foot or two away with your mask on.
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The effectiveness of protective equipment has unfortunately always been inversely proportional to its comfort.
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When I started my career with the Baltimore City Fire Department in 1974, at age 21, my first Captain was in his mid-fifties, and smoked a pipe. He told me that while he couldn't order me not to wear a gas mask, no real man needed one. I took the hint, and learned to eat smoke.
We'd get back from some nasty fire in the projects near us -- a foam rubber mattress or something else disgusting -- and I would be hanging over the slop sink on the apparatus floor puking, while the old guys patted me on the back and told me I could "take a beatin' like a man".
They hated our breathing apparatus, and made no bones about it. They complained that it was heavy (true), cumbersome (true), that it slowed you down (false), and that a real firefighter didn't need it (silly).
By the time my generation was getting promoted into leadership positions, we'd had an epiphany, and most guys were wearing breathing apparatus. My own epiphany came with a price: I developed laryngeal cancer at age 37, and ended up losing part of my voicebox. Live and learn...
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I had a little accident with my Chef knife and went to emergency room to stop bleeding.
Of course thy were taking my vitals and my nurse instructor wife noticed that when I had the mask off, my O2 level was 98% but 10minutes with the mask on, the O2 level dropped to 94%.
Since we were there over an hour, we tested it several times and it continued to rise and fall with mask off and on.
And I'd get short breathed after the mask was on a half hour.
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I have hearing aids, and glasses, But the worst is CRS I forget to put it on and remember it when I have walked to building I am going to.
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I refused to wear one from the beginning, and still won't wear one. Still free in my area as stores will not stop you nor will LE enforce the farce.
Only about 25% of people here will have one on out in public. Those are usually those who are prone to get the flu or cancer TX Patients. along with a very few doomers that are usually transplants.
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I have found if I take the mask cord off the front of my ear first it doesn't get tangled up with my hearing aid as often.
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I have hearing aids, and glasses, But the worst is CRS I forget to put it on and remember it when I have walked to building I am going to.
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Done that more than a few times.
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94% O2 is a lot better than being on a ventilator.
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Well, at almost 68 years old, I don't care for masks either...but I think being hospitalized on a ventilator would likely bother me more...
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Ditto, and almost 68 myself. After watching my ailing father being intubated (as he succumbed to Parkinson's), the wearing of a mask ain't no biggie to me. I'll do whatever is necessary to avoid intubation, as well as being put in a coma.
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Well, at almost 68 years old, I don't care for masks either...but I think being hospitalized on a ventilator would likely bother me more...
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If on a ventilator you'll be in an induced coma so you don't rip the tube that goes down your airway out. Which means days and weeks unconscious, and if you do pass away, never being able to say goodby to your family, have the time to reflect on your life's journey before that final breath. A mask is a cheap price to avoid that horror.
These procedure style masks are inexpensive and very comfortable, little fogging, can wear each mask multiple times, easier to breath through then the cloth ones and more effective.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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After about 20 minutes with the mask on, I start feeling dizzy and developing a headache. Apparently, the cause is concentration of CO2 inside the mask. I've tried five different masks of different materials with the same result. Think I'll try using a face shield instead.
Recently, a doctor stated that wearing a mask to shield the virus was comparable to using a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes.
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A mask with an exhalation valve will help a lot with the issue of rebreathing CO2, however a face shield is still a very good alternative as well. With some members of this group, I would recommend a welding helmet...
As for your doctor's analogy of using a chain-link fence to stop mosquitos - it will really depend on just how big your mosquitos are!
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I had a little accident with my Chef knife and went to emergency room to stop bleeding.
Of course thy were taking my vitals and my nurse instructor wife noticed that when I had the mask off, my O2 level was 98% but 10minutes with the mask on, the O2 level dropped to 94%.
Since we were there over an hour, we tested it several times and it continued to rise and fall with mask off and on.
And I'd get short breathed after the mask was on a half hour.
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The difference between 98 and 94% is negligible. It's not even something we would look at when making a treatment decision as a paramedic. More than likely you wouldn't even know if it you didn't have the probe on your finger and were looking at the monitor. Take a extra deep breath or two and your numbers would have gone right back up.
SpO2 is very misunderstood by the general public because it is simple to recognize the numbers (0-100%) but ETCO2 (the amount of CO2 you exhale - called Capnography and Capnometry) is by far a more definitive measurement of how you are doing medically as well as being a more rapid indicator of changes to a patient's condition. It is given far more priority when making a much wider variety of treatment and procedure decisions. I taught ETCO2 - among many other things - for years as a paramedic.
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It's my understanding that the mask doesn't really do much to protect the user, but it does keep your coughing, sneezing, breathing from affecting others. The safest way to survive is to not put yourself in positions where others are not wearing masks and are spewing covid laden droplets around. Stay away from crowds, keep your distance, avoid direct contact with the non-believers.
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An honest essay about Wuhan virus in Indiana. I'm expecting the omgwereallgonnadie crowd to stone the messenger and find fault with the reports credibility - too many facts and not nearly enough fear.
Friedman: Consider comparative risks to truly understand COVID-19 - Indianapolis Business Journal
Months after COVID-19 hit America’s shores, lockdowns, closures and restrictions abound with no end in sight. Yet does the situation mandate such a severe response? I would argue that educating Hoosiers about the comparative risks of COVID-19 would make them more comfortable with returning to normal life.
Serious misperceptions about COVID-19 have undoubtedly helped drive the anxiety and even panic. In one recent national poll, respondents believed that people age 55 or older accounted for 58% of deaths while people 44 or younger made up 30% of deaths. The true figures were 92% and less than 3%, respectively.
Why such a gap between belief and reality? Some blame must go to the media and the charged political environment. These challenges aside, what can be done to reassure the overwhelming majority of Hoosiers that they are, in fact, safe from the virus? Using public education tactics that haven’t yet been used would be a major step forward.
One such strategy would be to compare the risk of death from COVID-19 with other, more familiar risks. This can easily be done in Indiana using public data from the Indiana State Department of Health, StatsIndiana, and the Insurance Information Institute.
It turns out that for people younger than 20 the likelihood of dying from COVID in Indiana is a 1.7-in-a-million chance, far lower than being killed in one’s lifetime by lightning or by a dog.
The chance of drowning in a pool is 19 times greater for individuals ages 20-49 than dying from COVID. Persons 50-69 years old have a lower risk of dying from COVID than they do of dying by falling down steps or being killed in a motor vehicle accident.
The average Hoosier has a greater risk of being killed as a pedestrian than people age 70-79 have of dying from COVID.
Even for individuals age 80 years or older, who are in by far the highest risk category, the odds of death from COVID are not as bad as they would first appear. This is because nearly half of all deaths in that age group occur in patients who live in long-term-care facilities, a subset that makes up a tiny fraction of the overall elderly population. Moreover, in these vulnerable individuals, the risk of dying over the next year from any cause is more than 10 times greater than the risk of dying from COVID.
The purpose of this exercise is not to be cavalier about the serious risk COVID-19 poses to select individuals. It is rather to identify the groups that are at highest risk to ensure they are protected as best as possible and to reassure the rest of Hoosiers that the risk of dying from the disease is lower than from causes to which we would never give a moment’s thought because they are an accepted part of everyday life.
A famous rabbi once wrote that “the whole world is a very narrow bridge, but the main thing is to not be afraid.” His message—that life is full of risk but that should not deter us from living our lives courageously—is especially important during the COVID-19 crisis. Particularly with the risk being so low for so many.•
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43,000 cases a day in the US. over 200,000 deaths, 300,000 projected by end of year, and in 23 states the virus is spreading faster rather than slower. Mutations of the virus abroad are already re-infecting the previously sick, death rates climbing across the globe.
Any analogy comparing Covid to anything else is a false narrative, it is a unique virus, and trying to comparing it to lightening storms or bike accidents is jirrelavent.
And death rates per 100,000 cases are misleading.
Young or middle aged, healthy with no known health issues, minimal death rate, fast recovery, many will never know they even had it.
Older, smoker, heart disease, diabetes, overweight, etc, much higher death rate, and much longer recovery, some months into theirs still with signficant problems.
In the end, this is no differrnt than any other self-defense situation. Prepare and defend the best you can, or just trust dumb luck.
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It's my understanding that the mask doesn't really do much to protect the user, but it does keep your coughing, sneezing, breathing from affecting others. The safest way to survive is to not put yourself in positions where others are not wearing masks and are spewing covid laden droplets around. Stay away from crowds, keep your distance, avoid direct contact with the non-believers.
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All excellent points! One thing needs to be clarified in the discussion as concerns face masks:
N95 masks are for the protection of the WEARER. You need to be properly fitted and trained in their use, how to put them on and take them off correctly, and what to expect when wearing one. When used correctly, they will filter out 95% of the particles down to 1 micron.
Simple facial coverings such as a cloth surgical mask, bandana and the like are for the protection of EVERYONE ELSE. If you ever played "cops and robbers" as a kid then that is all the training you will need. When used correctly they reduce the number of boogers you blow out onto other people when you cough or sneeze.
The two aren't comparable.
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Yes, N95's will protect the user and are miserable things to wear.
N95's with an exhaust valve are a little better for the user, but don't protect those in the vicinity and don't make inhaling much easier.
Also, I thought that N95's were somewhat restricted for First Responders and hospital staff,etc.
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The N95 with the valve is by far the best option. Pop out the valve and the hole is perfect for putting in a cigarette.
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Yes, N95's will protect the user and are miserable things to wear.
N95's with an exhaust valve are a little better for the user, but don't protect those in the vicinity and don't make inhaling much easier.
Also, I thought that N95's were somewhat restricted for First Responders and hospital staff,etc.
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I wear N95-rated Outdoor Research masks. Last night, I attended an event where I wore the mask for four hours.
(1) They are readily available and have no legal restriction.
(2) As someone who has worn assorted gas masks and firefighting SCBAs, the N95 Mask is a very minor respiratory impediment.
(3) Wearing an N95 avoids the moral choice of comfort vs. social responsibility
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(1) They are readily available and have no legal restriction.
(2) As someone who has worn assorted gas masks and firefighting SCBAs, the N95 Mask is a very minor respiratory impediment.
(3) Wearing an N95 avoids the moral choice of comfort vs. social responsibility
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There is a misconception about the N95's (used them as an engineer working in critical care areas, had two dozen on hand when Covid struck, dropped most of them off at the local hospital).
The mask vents through a super fine screen (no flapper valve), so that when inhaling aound Covid patients medical personel are considered safe. Conversely, when exhaling the exhalation stream is essentially carbon dioxide vapor that is filtered by the screen from carrying the large droplets that are most dangerous for spreading Covid.
I would certainly prefer to be around someone wearing an N95 as I do, than someone wearing a bandana that keeps slipping down their face.
My wife prefers to wear the KN95 masks, which protect at 99.2% filtration
Wife and I wear the procedure masks I mentioned in an early post on this thread for social distancing, and put on the more protetive masks if we'll be in closer contact with folks.
Surely wish the political stigma of wearing masks had never been raised as a 'brand identifier.' It's no different than wearing a seat belt. You only need it when you need it.
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