You know, that's a very interesting point. I love it when somebody makes me see something in a different light...thanks!

Makes you want to scream, doesn't it?

Yes they do.

Urban gangbangers are to law abiding gun owners what biker gangs are to ordinary motorcyclists: They are not gun enthusiasts...they are criminals who use guns as accessories and tools to support their violent lifestyles.

They are not NRA members, and they don't care about gun laws. They don't know the difference between bluing and parkerizing. They don't appreciate the beauty of an engraved revolver. They have no idea what you're referring to if you talk about a "registered Magnum". They don't know, or care, who John Browning or Samuel Colt or Jeff Cooper were. They can't discuss the merits of Winchester Silvertips versus Federal Hydra-Shoks. They have no idea what "minute of angle" means. They don't know what an x-ring is...

They love guns that "look cool" in their eyes, and extended magazines on plastic guns, in their culture, convey that sense of menace they want to project.

It angers me beyond words that we all are being made to pay the price for this...

News flash! Murder has been illegal since Moses was a little boy. Caine didn't use a large capacity magazine to ambush his brother Abel.

Inanimate objects have no capacity for evil or good. Only humans have such capacities.

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Referring to to your last sentence. To many times they are not held accountable. As was said in a previous post, a movement to lessen bails and sentencing is working across the country. It was pushed in Oklahoma
by a ex legislator and a ex district atty. It is a nationwide attempt by some group.

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That skell had the element of surprise in a narrow hallway on his side, not the 50 round mag which is really just a novelty that makes the gun unwieldy and less likely to shoot accurately. Most everyone here would best that mutt in a high noon scenario with 44 less rounds.

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Posts like this ^ make me wish we had a "love" icon available for response...

You can Not legislate Morality.

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!

And I'm confident and comfortable with Revolvers and Single Stacks .

* I do not personally know Mr 1313 , nor am I a mindreader . This and closely related subjects come up regularly , and are debated fiercely . I am here discussing the topic generally , and not any personal attack on Mr 1313 . *

In New York State , it's already illegal to have more than Seven rounds in any firearm ( with certain exceptions for 10 on certain shooting competitions , on certain formal ranges , in certain circumstances .)

Possession of any Firearm by any Felon is already illegal .

Murder is already illegal .
Aggrivated Assault is already illegal .
One more layer of being extra illegal on top of already facing Life sentence won't deter them.

IF BG's are going to be shooting at me , I would rather have them using less reliable gimmick magizine , than an OEM . For matter , I'd rather they Spray & Pray that actually aim at me .

These type of ideas coming from gun owners owners usually have two different basises - " I'm happy with XYZ firearms and related equipment , so everybody should be like me , and outlaw everything I don't like myself " , or a desire that we just throw EFG under the bus , anti gunners will suddenly love us , and subsequently leave us alone forever after .

Don't work that way . ( I've been heavily involved with lobbying these things over time .)

They get their way on one thing , then when it obviously has no effect , two years llater at most , they're back. The step they got obviously was right idea , just not extreme enough , and they are further emboldened by the previous succuess/ surrender by our side .

If the limit is already 7 , how much lower ? 5 rounds ? 3 rounds ? Half the chambers of Revolver cylinders welded shut ? Single Shots only ? Flintlocks only ?

No amount of appeasement will ever satisfy the Forces of Evil , until at minimum single shot .22lr is regulated as NFA .

NO!
Seeing that the gun used was stolen I don’t see how a magazine ban would have made a difference.

Why are they even talking about the 50 round magazine? How many shots were actually fired from that Glock? I would venture to say less than 10. So how would banning large cap magazines have changed anything.

"Didya hear, they caught a guy going 120mph through downtown where the speed limit is 35? They lowered the speed limit to 25 so it don't happen again." Joe

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Lot of people clubbed to death,
Let’s out law clubs that hold more
than 50 swings.

NO!

I read somewhere that the DA was asking for a life sentence for the gun and 50 round magazine.

The criminal was let out on New York's "no bail" reform law. It's clearly the "illegal" gun and magazines fault!!!! NOT!!!!

BTW-
Isn't there a 10 rd limit in New York?
If so, what good did that do?

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Lee Jarrett

I'll never understand why some think that forfeiting their rights will appease the banners. Their claims of being concerned about crime and safety is just a facade. They care about neither. They want to ban guns at any cost, period. They are statists who abhor freedom and want us under their boot. Compromise is just a total ban one inch at a time.

I'll also never understand why some think criminals should be allowed to decide what rights we can have and create a lowest common denominator society.

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Common sense isn't so common.

I guess that you are right, we should limit the people who obey the law to less rounds than those who ignore the law, same slippery slope as a firearm, when you ban a certain level of rounds, you enable the wicked to take advantage of the good. Murderers will not concern themselves with gun charges, and we cannot enforce the laws that we have and gun laws do not deter those who would kill anyway. Shall not be infringed.

Well I've got a number or 30 round Beretta 9mm mags ...... for my CX-4
PCCarbine..... but they will also fit my Beretta 92 handguns.

There are a number of PCC that take Glock mags...... 15,17,20 and 32 rounds


What about AR pistols (with arm braces) that take standard 30rd mags.
Isn't mag-pul making an AR drum mag? Looked yep 60 rd drum. $129.


Ya, we're talking use by "gang-bangers"..... with no training...... but remember how USPSA shooters use to compete with 7-8rd .45 and how fast they can reload.

What about "speed loaders"

Where do you draw the line?????

Beware the slippery slope and those who would grease it!

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The need to remove the term "gun violence" from the national debate is one of the most important items to address. No gun has ever committed an act of violence, it is the nut behind the butt that is the problem. Hold those responsible for the act accountable under current laws (there are already lots available).

I have no personnel desire for a high capacity magazine for a handgun, mostly because I prefer an archaic revolver. I find it hard enough to carry 5 or 6 lawyers around as it is, but such is the the right of each to make their own decisions and choices.

We should all live by what I saw posted on the side of a semi "My rights don't end where your fear begins".

End soap box, I get the feeling every time I watch the news that I wasted 20 years of my life in the military.

I'm just sick of it. I'm as pro gun, pro second amendment as anyone. But there's just too much garbage happening in this country. Its not the fault of the guns, but the fact that we seem so willing to use them to solve all of our various problems we can't seem to deal with just makes me wonder. What is wrong with our society? Taking things away wouldn't solve a thing. But I do often wonder, why would anyone want (take your pick)?

The new normal: Crime without consequence. Increasing tolerance for crime. The normalization of intolerable behavior. Meanwhile, one dimensional thinkers are stuck on magazine restrictions. And now I'll sign off before I get suspended for the umpteen millionth time.

It's the CRIMINAL NOT THE TOOL........That's where your fixation should be.

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Lots of good responses here............. When you get down to basics the only appropriate answer is a firm NO!! No more stupid anti gun restrictions of any kind. None of the ones already on the books did anything to prevent this criminal from his course of crime. And it is the criminal who commits the act who is at fault. Not the law abiding citizens who suffer the consequences of stupid, pointless regulations passed by people who feel they have to "do something" even when it is clearly not going to do any good at all.

Pulled over a couple fine citizens. 30 round Glock mag in the cup holder. No pistol. Dog hit on the car. Couldn't find anything but the car smelled like Cheech and Chong. Asked what was up with the mag. All I got was a shrug. Here's your speeding ticket, have a nice day. (mags are legal here)

I'm always taken aback when I hear Vietnam-era veterans taking up the 'slippery slope' argument.

So now we have two police officers murdered by a mutant without need to reload for 40 rounds. Anyone recall Gabby Giffords being shot by another mutant who had a Glock with 2 33-round mags? You know the shooting - he killed 6 people as well, including a 9 year-old girl. He fired 31 bullets and was stopped by victims when he dropped his second 33 round mag while reloading.

Outside the circle of firearms enthusiasts who are mistrustful of the Federal government, I doubt you'll find more than a handful of citizens who support bottomless magazines for ANY weapons. This issue, legal extremely high capacity magazines, is a loser for firearms owners over the long term.

Once again, here we are with some (no offense intended) blaming an inanimate object for a crime. I have no opinion whatsoever concerning 50 round magazines other than if someone wants to buy one who cares? Lots of good points brought up here, including vehicular homicide. Concerning the parade in Waukesha, WI, recently. I don't remember seeing anyone, anywhere, recommend banning the certain vehicle the nut job used to kill so many. I mean, come on, it was a reddish color and an SUV. There are so many on the road I think we should start banning certain types of these vehicles (insert sarcasm here)...

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Vietname-era vets are not supposed to value preserving their civil rights?
They are not supposed to be capable of logical thought?
They are not supposed to be firearm enthusiasts?
They are supposed to subjugate themselves to the whims of politicians?
They are to be dismissed as individuals but treated as a homogeneous ethnic group, about which your assumptions may not make any sense?

How is that worse than any other honest citizen being murdered?

There are approximately 330 million people in the US. Approximately 329.9999 million didn't murder anyone. But yeah, lets let that tiny minority define our civil rights.

What does being mistrustful of the Federal government have to do with anything? Only tin foil hat wearing militia members value our civil rights? Marginalizing us as some insignificant malcontents, so we should just roll over and give up?

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Common sense isn't so common.

There - that response is precisely how we lose firearms rights.

Think about this...are there really not 270 million people in this country today who would vote tomorrow to outlaw high cap mags? Three-quarters is the standard for amending the Constitution.

Two-thirds vote in Congress, then affirmed by 38 state legislatures.

Camel. Nose. Tent.

Which is exactly the 'slippery slope' argument.

I don't think a 50 round magazine would be much different thatn3 15 round magazines so should they be outlawed as well. Also I would think aa 50 round magazine is already out lawed in New York City. Seems it didn't do any good.

Any mag in NYC will get your shoulder ligaments, and tendons, stretched.

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Sure you did

Get the picture yet?

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Sure you did

Our rights were lost by deceivers who claim to support us but really only support the privilege for a select few.

They also tried to block Heller and McDonald, claiming we couldn't win.

So if you think you have 270 million people, 290 Congressmen, 67 Senators, and 38 state legislatures, bring it on.

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Common sense isn't so common.

That line of thought inevitably leads to zero rounds, and no guns. Aye, Mate?

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Because of the metric system?

outlawing large capacity magazines makes as much sense as making me get a vasectomy to cure teen age pregnancy.

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The problem with "reasonable" and "common sense" gun control laws is who gets to determine what reasonable and common sense are.

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Granted, I don't get out much, but to me this is a new one:
"This issue, legal extremely high capacity magazines,"
I never heard the term "extremely high capacity". Who gets to define that, the same people who get to define "fair share"? Yup, slippery slope.

That’s the idea, right?

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Sure you did

OK how about..... two...... Glock 17s... or Beretta 92's with 18 or 20rd mags

Can you only have one gun and one mag?

As with my post you nailed it.........Some just can't see for the smoke. You CAN"T BLAME an inanimate for a crime......YOU ONLY blame the human committer............You'd think folk would get this by now.

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Great anology!!!!!!!!!

Same thing with my 400HP mustang. As long as I drive it safely. The rest of the world can kiss grass.

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Magazine limits are GUN CONTROL.

Always remember:

Gun control is not about guns, its about control.

Those who push it are patient.

Those who push it speak of compromise.

Their idea of compromise is not getting EVERYTHING the want, NOW.

They will never be satisfied.

They see every movement in their direction as a win.

Those on the other side who compromise with them are deceiving themselves

IF they achieve a total gun ban and confiscation of all guns they will not be satisfied.

They will still push for more. WHY?

Because, gun control is not about guns, its about control.

WE must be vigilant.

WE must NEVER compromise with them.

WE must start pushing back, demanding more freedom.

They operate on emotion, WE must use logic and not let their emotion sway us.

Once again: Gun control is not about guns, its about control.

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Bill

We all have our thoughts on these things. Whatever Congress or my legislature decides is what I'll do. If I don't like it, I'll work through that system to get it changed.

I admit to being flabbergasted at the positive responses.

Felon with a gun=illegal
Stolen gun=illegal
Murder=illegal

Surely you’re smart enough to extrapolate that one more law wouldn’t stop a criminal.

You wouldn’t happen to be a politician, would you?

I thought this thread got locked yesterday.

HE is a MURDERER.... I don't care if he killed that poor police officer with a rock. He is a piece of . How long are the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS of the U.S.A. going to listen to this DRIBBLE?

Just for accuracy, as of two hours ago, 1000 Pacific, Officer Mora was still with us, albeit in critical condition.

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That's really good news!