The tragic murder of two NYC Officers who responded to a domestic disturbance call over the weekend brought very large handgun magazines into the public eye. In this case, it was a 50 round magazine for a Glock pistol.

Personally, I never gave bump stocks too much thought, either before or after they were used in the Las Vegas mass murder a few years back.

On the other hand, to me, a 50 round magazine for a handgun seems wrong.

Assuming for the sake of argument that regulation of very large capacity handgun magazines would pass muster under the Second Amendment, and ignoring the difficulty in defining a very large magazine, I would be in favor of strict regulation of these devices. Perhaps extending felon-in-possession to include very large capacity handgun magazines.

What say the forum?

[P.S., since a 50 round magazine for a handgun is at least somewhat unusual, my guess is that the Supreme Court and the vast majority of lower courts would not overturn a law banning or restricting such devices, but let's please not debate that issue here.]

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Really? So my ability to own one of these would be restricted but not for criminals...

A word from the English born guy: don't let government get any kind of foot in the door regarding anything to do with firearms.

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Given the number of deaths caused by drivers moving at a high rate of speed, perhaps we should govern all vehicles at 65 MPH?

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Extending felon-in-possession to these devices (my proposal above) would not restrict persons otherwise able to have guns and ammunition.

Another possibility would be to make getting caught carrying a loaded 50 round handgun magazine outside the home a very serious felony with mandatory sentencing.

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I can’t believe many here would be in favor of such a thing.

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Felons are already barred from owning firearms. Ya think if they have a firearm a law banning a big cap mag would stop them?

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...and you seriously believe that any legislation would limit it to felons?? Really?

BTW, the largest drum mag for a Glock in 45 ACP I can find online is 40 rounds. 50 rounds seems to be 9mm only. So I guess there is still confusion as to whether the perp had a Glock 45, a 9mm gun, or a Glock in 45ACP.

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You’d be surprised. Oh, IBTL.

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No. That animal in NYC broke the law and would have broken any law put in place.

One could argue that magazines of any size are already regulated by the 2nd amendment.

Without the gun, the magazine is useless as a “weapon”.

Regulation, not needed.
Enforcing current laws, yes.

And maybe apply actual punishment to crimes, like lengthy incarceration.

What's the magic number? What makes an 11 round mag more nefarious than a 10 rounder? There are already enough cracks forming in the 2A dam. We don't need to make more.

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Guideline sentencing range for simple felon-in-possession is 10 to 78 months in prison. If possessing a loaded very large capacity handgun magazine on the street or in the passenger compartment of a car was a mandatory 10 year sentence, my guess is that the criminal element would take notice.

The real point of my post is that although I believe the Second Amendment protects the right of ordinary people to carry firearms outside the home for self defense, I feel there is something about a 50 (or even a 40) round handgun magazine that makes it different.

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Do not know the specifics. A few questions. How many cartridges were left on the 50 round magazine at the conclusion of this tradgedy. Did the 50 round magazine itself contribute ot this??? In other words was the ploiceman killed with round 50??? QUite frankly, absent anything to the contrary, I think the 50 round magazine issue is just something for the anti gunners to jump on.

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What does the NRA say about local, state and federal gun laws in our country? Around 25,000 nationwide l think. And yet gun crime continues....... But if we ban a few more guns, magazines, etc. things will get much, MUCH better!!!!

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It already is the law in NY I guess that shows how well that works.

It baffles me that people suggest that new laws will prevent lawbreakers from breaking the law. Laws protect the lawbreaker, not the citizen. Without laws we would be able to address lawbreakers at our discretion rather than the punishment being limited by prosecutor and statute.

Not just no but hell no!

That is the definition of Fudd thinking.

Gangbangers love high capacity handgun mags (20 rounds plus).

And something extreme for us to dig our heels in behind. Like bump stocks.

Although I have 40 years of safe and responsible firearm ownership under my belt, even I find something unusually dangerous about a 40-50 round handgun magazine. If I feel this way, just imagine what the anti-2A crowd feels about these devices.

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Thank you.

No- the "suspect" that murdered the Officers should get the electric chair.

The thugs weapon was already outlawed in NYC

Don’t think I’ve ever heard an ant-gunner say “that was a great shoot taking out that criminal”.
As such, I could care less what they think.

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“Last night a shot from an illegal gun took an NYPDs officer’s life”. Let that stupid quote from New York’s governor sink in.

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Let's get behind drone-supported, remotely fired firearms!

Last week, a video was uploaded to YouTube showing a civilian grade drone equipped with a semi-automatic handgun that was being fired remotely somewhere in the US. We know that guns are legal (to a degree). We know that drones are legal (depending on the sort). But are gun-toting drones legal?

Keep in mind that NYC is home to arguably the strictest gun laws in the country.

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Yeah..Yeah... like they take notice of any law now....

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Excellent point. There is no magic number…

Every concession is one step closer to the end of our 2A rights.

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NO.


EXACTLY.


Is a 50 rd mag inherently evil?

Of course not. Intent falls, as ALWAYS, on the person holding the gun.
Is a 50 rd mag more dangerous than four 15 rd mags?
In an evil person's hand, it may give him a slight advantage because he won't have to change mags, but he will only save seconds involved in mag changes. I've never used one, but the extra weight and bulkiness has to slow pointability and maneuverability to some degree.


When we make concessions like this, we are setting ourselves up for failure.
I do not want a 40 or 50 round drum, but I do not want them regulated or outlawed.
If you allow a 40 rd mag to be outlawed, the next time a criminal uses a 15 rd mag, they will want to outlaw them.
If they succeed, a 10 rd mag will be used by a criminal and they will outlaw them.
Then, we will count down through 8 rd, and then 7rd, and then 6 rd and so own.
Eventually, you'll be left with a double barrel deringer, till a criminal uses one of them and we are relegated to single shots.
And then.....

Give an inch, expect to lose a mile.

Dropping a mag and inserting another does not take long.
I know this guy is world class, but an average person can learn to change a mag in 2-3 seconds, so outlawing the larger mags will not prevent criminals from wreaking their havoc.

Jump to 4:24 for the fancy work---

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NO !!! Don’t blame the magazine.
From my understanding and hearing his criminal record, he should be in prison, not out on the street.
The blame goes to poor prosecution and other issues with our criminal justice system. If he had been charged under Federal gun laws, he could have gotten 20 years in prison for previous gun violations and what about the three strikes and your out laws.
The problem is in the criminal justice laws and politicians too afraid to make the laws and judges that are afraid to enforce the ones we have.
The politicians just make guns the easy scape goat. JMO
I will get off my soap box now.

That the OP is defending this lunacy further is cause for alarm.

Well
I hear and respect the argument about not giving an inch
Nice thing about this Forum
We are able to engage in civil debate about important subjects

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I see a camels nose again.
And the hundreds, yes hundreds of( I’ll correct that to approx159 ) LEOs killed in the last year were killed with what capacity magazines in the guns?
I hate to say it this way but what difference does it make anyways? This time with this mag crosses the line huh?
Educate me as to why.
I’m tired of hearing the term ‘gun violence’. For crying out loud it’s the person holding the gun thats violent!

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No, it's a good example of what one time Communist boss of Hungary Matyas Rakosi called "salami slicing tactics"-just a little bit at a time.

I find it hard to believe that any gun owner in the United States could support such a law, much less propose it. I have never found anyone who could answer this question" Where has a gun law been passed, that made the anti-gunners say, " That's enough, we don't need anymore gun laws"
I am going to stop right here, I do not think I could say any more without getting in trouble.

I can answer that…….. NEVER.

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They take my 50 round mag first and then they take your 6 shooter next!!!

if passing a law stops crime we could just make murder against the law.. easy peasy... oh wait.. that didn't work either... so, no to the proposed limit.

*EXPLETIVE* NO!
I'm not a criminal so don't punish me!


Use a gun in a crime 25 years.
Kill someone with a gun? Family gets to use the same one on you.


Stop punishing the WRONG PEOPLE.

I'm sure that we will all be safer when the 32 snail drum magazines for Lugers are all in the governmental blast furnace (yeah, right).

So, what with the moves in various parts of our country to no bail required for release, no incarceration for "low-level" crimes, etc., you really expect something like a "mandatory" 10 year sentence for possession of a magazine to ever be upheld? That is just another example of feel good legislation that some politician promotes that is designed to: 1) be a band-aid approach to the massive hemorrhaging of uncontrol violence in this country, and 2) get them votes for being tough on "gun crime".
This logic ranks right up there with, "come on, you really think you NEED an AR15"? Think about that, if a 40-50 round magazine is innately criminal, how can you defend private ownership of a "weapon of war" like an AR15?

Absolutely not. Why would you punish me for the crime of someone else?

We have a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of Needs.

The exercise of one's rights requires no justification.

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00 Buckshot in the mouth is much cheaper.

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Dunno...shotgun ammo is 'spensive.


Piano Wire and rusty butter knives?
I know a guy....

Your method sounds pretty good.

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Don't ask, don't felon.

This will probably get me in trouble again. But poster is from New Jersey the camel has crawled into the tent there.He needs to understand this is a gun owner and carrier forum.And it doesn’t matter if the magazines holds 7 rounds or fifty.A criminal is still a criminal the number of rounds in a magazine are not the ones breaking the law. (It is the CRIMINAL! Not the object)

Bushmaster, I give you credit for opening the door to this sort of discussion, knowing the brickbats that would be coming your way. While the pro-2A side of me says we have far too much regulation of firearms as it is, I get your point.

When a hoplophobe says to me "why do you need a semi-automatic?" or "why do you need a 30-round magazine in that AR-15?" I can easily articulate the answer. It's a lot less easy to do that with things like bump stocks and the mag that guy had in his Glock.

My usual answer when challenged in this manner is that no one "needs" a 200 mph supercar, or 5000 square foot home, or a supercomputer...but in this country, we allow people to own what they want (within reason) and hold them accountable when they misuse it.