I keep hearing about Mexican guns "originating in the U.S." But I believe the Mexican army issues the M16. Do those things originate in the U.S.? How many nations around the world are licensed to manufacture the M16?

How much ordnance does the Mexican govt buy from Uncle Sam? How much do they lose in an average year?

According to Fox News, the Mexican govt confiscated 28,000 firearms in one year. Only 5,000 were traceable to the U.S. But they never tell us what kind of guns these were or how long they have been in Mexico. A 1st model Colt SAA can be "traced back to the U.S." but who cares?

And they never tell us how many of those guns were traced thru Mexican govt supply channels.

I keep hearing about Mexican guns "originating in the U.S." But I believe the Mexican army issues the M16. Do those things originate in the U.S.? How many nations around the world are licensed to manufacture the M16?

How much ordnance does the Mexican govt buy from Uncle Sam? How much do they lose in an average year?

According to Fox News, the Mexican govt confiscated 28,000 firearms in one year. Only 5,000 were traceable to the U.S. But they never tell us what kind of guns these were or how long they have been in Mexico. A 1st model Colt SAA can be "traced back to the U.S." but who cares?

And they never tell us how many of those guns were traced thru Mexican govt supply channels.

That's because THEY want the public to think that America is indirectly arming mexican criminals. It's a lie, but that does not matter.

It's real simple. If you ask a drug dealer/warlord/rebel where he gets his guns, he's going to make something up.

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Wayne
Torn & Frayed

A few minutes ago the “Reporter” on ABC radio news said: “90% of the lethal weapons in the hands of the drug dealers came directly South across the border to Mexico from the US”.
She was reading a press release about the POTUS and his visit to Mexico. So I assume this “fact” came from the Whitehouse. Where ever it came from its BS, as has been pointed out here many times.
But it’s what POTUS and the main street media want desperately want to sell to us boobs out here.

To quote Queen Victoria: “We are not amused!”

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The Myth of 90%

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John

OF COURSE US guns go to Mexico. Why else would S&W put "Marca Registrada" on its guns?

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Oh, I though that was the guy who designed them.

Regardless of the hyperbole, any gun that has been purchased/stolen in the U.S. and ends up in Mexico has been obtained illegally. So why do we need new laws to stop this? Just enforce the existing ones.

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Dean
SWCA #680 SWHF #446

This issue of US flooding Mexico with guns is a win win for Obama. He, by the way, is playing this very smart. Today, in Mexico, he was lamenting the sad but
true" situation that an assault weapons ban would be difficult. His solution was to work with Mexico on other area to help them. Meanwhile there is a mood building that will end in legislation if we are not vigilant.

It is very frustrating that demonstrably untrue "facts" are bandied about by the media and inside the beltway, where are the journalist? I suspect they are drinking cocktails with the politicians and getting their "information" spoon fed to them so they can ladle it out to us.

I wonder if those SOBs in Mexico have all the 380 ammunition as well?

Local gun store shelves are empty of handgun ammo, other then .25ACP & .357 Mag.

I can understand why Mexican druglords arn't keen on weapons chamberd for .25ACP.

But whats the problem w/.357 Mag? Limp wrists?

Close. His name is Marco Registrada.

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Most of the Mexican Army is armed/equipped with stuff we GAVE them. A couple of billion each year's worth.
I would be willing to wager a very large sum that most of the US weponry that winds up with the cartels is "lost" or just sold to them by the Mexican military/police.
It is no wonder that the Mexican President is supporting the big O calling for more US gun control, if he does not, maybe no more US guns/equipment for his military.

These weapons have been seized and some have been sent to the US for analysis, as I understand it. Guns with obvious foreign markings or no serial number are not sent, since it is clear that they are not from the US. Thus, the 90% figure is immediately suspect.

But putting that aside and supposing that some of these guns have been determined to come from the US, why doesn't the ATF trace their serial numbers and determine who bought them and how they were transported into Mexico? If, as the President and the media suggest, they were legally purchased before they were illegally smuggled into Mexico, determining who is responsible should be easy. Isn't that why we have to fill out so much paperwork everytime we buy a gun?

Does anyone else wonder why this is not being pursued?

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Uhhhhhh . . . . cause maybe it doesn't fit their political agenda and most people are too vapid to understand or care ? (did I win anything ? )

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I expect that a lot of the guns in use down there are legal guns that were sourced in the US (AKs, ARs, SKSs, and the like). The borders are fairly open. I doubt that it is a lot of trouble to bring them in. The fully automatic weapons likely were stolen in Mexico or were obtained from other places such as South America. These guys have a LOT of money. The availibility of guns is not going to be a problem to them no matter what Obama does. Besides the reason for the drug traffic is the unquenchable demand for drugs by folks in the United States. Until THAT problem is addressed the traffic willl not stop.

I'm not sure about that. I think we've suppied some transport vehicles, and maybe, big maybe, some choppers. Their arms are mostly H&K with some Galil and M16 variants from Belgium thrown in if IIRC.

Bob

The last time I was in Cancun a Mexican Army patrol walked by and they were all carrying .30 cal HK 91 rifles and the leader had a MP-5 9 m/m submachine gun with two mags "jungle clipped" together.

The availability of machineguns in Mexico is directly related to their own Military and Police personnel. A kid goes into the Service - either one - and is given a firearm that he can sell on the Black Market for enough money to pretty much retire on down there. Gee, I wonder what he is likely to do???

I know that the same thing was happening in Panama in the late '60s when I was stationed down there. The National Police Force was being supplied with M-1&2 Carbines by the US and during the 11 months I was down there I know that two different shipments arrived through the Unit I was stationed with. One of them I transported to the US Embassy where it was turned over to a Civilian. I was told that these were 'replacements' for guns lost during training.

Wherever the guns are coming from I'm betting the very same thing is still happening. I have little doubt 'some' of the guns are coming from the US where they have been stolen. But I haven't heard of any program that is returning them to the US and their 'rightful' owners. I wonder why this isn't happening???

I'm curious who makes full auto AK's in this country? That's what those creeps are using if my info is correct. Also they have a good supply of RPG's are those coming from gun shows also? Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Mien-bama