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<span class="ev_code_RED">I talked to the factory today about internal locks. There is no plans to eliminate them on the current production revolver. To do away with the locks would cut down the companies sales as there revolvers would not be salable in several states. I do not think the collectors want to see the company have loss of sales as that would hurt all of us. </span>
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They are losing some sales now, at least of newly manufactured revolvers. As much as I sympathize with the folks who live in the occupied territories, I fail to see why I should agree to buy revolvers that I consider to be potentially unreliable just to help S&W sell guns there. I'll stick with pre-lock Smiths when I have a choice.

If they really cared about their customers they would figure out a way to profitably make both versions. That way everybody would be happy, right?
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:43 AM
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:56 AM
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As Roy Jinks always says " The Factory does not care about selling "collectors" just guns."
It is 2009 and the lock is part of life now. So do like norad45 says buy the old stuff. In a lot of ways a very nice N frame of old is even cheaper than the $1000 price tag of the new stuff.
We can tell the newbies about the old days!
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<span class="ev_code_RED">I talked to the factory today about internal locks. There is no plans to eliminate them on the current production revolver. To do away with the locks would cut down the companies sales as there revolvers would not be salable in several states. I do not think the collectors want to see the company have loss of sales as that would hurt all of us. </span>
Which states REQUIRE an INTERNAL lock?

Why are they willing to forego sales of the M&P auto without the lock? But aren't the locks OPTIONAL in the M&P? If they AREN'T losing sales because the lock is optional in the M&P, why would they lose sales from it being optional in revolvers?
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:03 AM
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Maryland is currently the only state requiring an internal lock. Safety Wesson must sell alot of revolvers in Maryland.

Pre lock S&W's are still abundant, superior and cheaper. I personally could care less what Safety Wesson does anymore. They haven't made a revolver I would want in the last 8 years. Regards 18DAI.
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I have a solution for the lock issue.........
Stay with me now.......
this is very complex.........


IF you don't like locks, don't buy guns with locks.

IF you like locks, buy guns with locks.

IF you don't really care, buy both.

I realize this issue will require much study, contemplation, discussion, flaming, arguing, moaning, crying, needless repetitive threads(not this one) totaling hundreds of dollars in bandwidth, and general angst.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:40 AM
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Lee, after long study I believe I was able to penetrate to the core of your logic. It is so profound as to deserve a sticky.
Does this discussion fall in to the category of: “They ain’t happy unless they are *****ing about something”?
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:41 AM
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I have a solution for the lock issue.........
Stay with me now.......
this is very complex.........


IF you don't like locks, don't buy guns with locks.

IF you like locks, buy guns with locks.

IF you don't really care, buy both.

I realize this issue will require much study, contemplation, discussion, flaming, arguing, moaning, crying, needless repetitive threads(not this one) totaling hundreds of dollars in bandwidth, and general angst.
Gosh darn it, Lee!

Haven't we talked about "making sense" before?

I *know* we've had the discussion about "some people need something to complain about".

Ah well... where can I send a few bucks for the bandwidth?

*Looks for the little padlock icon...*
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:53 AM
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I'm with 18DAI, if S&W goes out of business because they ignore their clients so be it. I won't buy an inferior product just to keep someone else's cash cow alive.
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They must be selling a helluva lot of guns in Maryland!

Lee, your logic makes sense.

S&Ws logic OTOH escapes me.

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Old 03-11-2009, 09:25 AM
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I'm with 18DAI, if S&W goes out of business because they ignore their clients so be it. I won't buy an inferior product just to keep someone else's cash cow alive.
I have formed a Commission to study this lock issue. I currently have on retainer two attorneys, one patent attorney, four engineers, one metalurgist, two pastors, a psychiatrist, three NRA certified shooting instructors, a paramedic(for the discussion meetings), an off-duty policeman(again, for the meetings), a registered Democrat, and a rocket scientist.

We were not unanimous in our opinion after examining your post, but the consensus is you fall into my first recommendation above.
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two attorneys, one patent attorney, four engineers, one metalurgist, two pastors, a psychiatrist, three NRA certified shooting instructors, a paramedic(for the discussion meetings), an off-duty policeman(again, for the meetings), a registered Democrat, and a rocket scientist.
If you can add a transgender dwarf, you may be eligible for a stimulus grant.
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A Smith & Wesson sales rep was in my local gun shop the other day so I asked him when Smith was going to trash 'The Lock'? It was clearly not a question he wanted to get into, but he did say that Smith couldn't sell in some states without the lock and that most sales were to new shooters who didn't know any better. Now that made we feel so much better.
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A Smith & Wesson sales rep was in my local gun shop the other day so I asked him when Smith was going to trash 'The Lock'? It was clearly not a question he wanted to get into, but he did say that Smith couldn't sell in some states without the lock and that most sales were to new shooters who didn't know any better. Now that made we feel so much better.
You should have asked him which states. The answer seems, "MAYBE ONE". Those Marylanders [maybe] are some revolver buying SOBs to have THAT much influence with S&W.
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two attorneys, one patent attorney, four engineers, one metalurgist, two pastors, a psychiatrist, three NRA certified shooting instructors, a paramedic(for the discussion meetings), an off-duty policeman(again, for the meetings), a registered Democrat, and a rocket scientist.
If you can add a transgender, illegal alien dwarf, you may be eligible for a stimulus grant.
There, fixed that for you.
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If you agree to order enough of them, they'll make them without the lock. Happens with some regularity for export customers and there have been special runs of domestic production revolvers (442 and 642 recently) without the lock.
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I think the transgender illegal alien dwarf also needs to be a vegan person of color who has worked as an inner city community organizer.

This would provide balance and diversity, considering the off duty facist policeman who has surely been trying to boss everyone around when he is not busy demanding receipts at Walmart exits.
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I think the transgender illegal alien dwarf also needs to be a vegan person of color who has worked as an inner city community organizer....
...while on leave from his/her/its position with Greenpeace and PETA.
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If you agree to order enough of them, they'll make them without the lock.
Do I hear a consensus on an upcoming GROUP BUY !?
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How about some round butt 3" fixed sight model 66's?
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I'm with 18DAI, if S&W goes out of business because they ignore their clients so be it. I won't buy an inferior product just to keep someone else's cash cow alive.
Um, I think there are a lot more folks buying guns with locks than there are trying to collect the locks with out. So, I don't think S&W is going to go out of business because a few folks don't want to buy the new stuff.

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Based on the ecology of cats and birds and bird droppings on my deck and a few other things, I used to have a strong opinion on the premature death of kittens, but for some reason probably related to its importance to me, I can't remember what it was.

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Let's get to the real core question. What caliber revolver is more impacted by the internal lock - 9mm or 45 ACP?
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I have a solution for the lock issue.........
Stay with me now.......
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IF you don't like locks, don't buy guns with locks.

IF you like locks, buy guns with locks.

IF you don't really care, buy both.

I realize this issue will require much study, contemplation, discussion, flaming, arguing, moaning, crying, needless repetitive threads(not this one) totaling hundreds of dollars in bandwidth, and general angst.
I am not sure I am following you. Are you trying to say buy what you like and let others do the same ?
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Let's get to the real core question. What caliber revolver is more impacted by the internal lock - 9mm or 45 ACP?
Really, you dug up a 10 year old thread to ask that??
Answer 45 ACP
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By reading some of the responses, the rules seemed to be a bit more lax 10 years ago.
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Inferior product? I have to laugh at that. My 627-5 Pro with IL has not provided any evidence that it is an inferior product.
S&W isn't the only gun maker that has an internal lock. Some Ruger revolvers have an IL under the butt grips rather than having the hole on the side. I have yet to have an IL failure with any brand revolver shooting over a thousand rounds.
I agree with post #9.
I also agree many of the older high quality pre lock S&W revolvers can be bought for less money than a new IL S&W. I also think some older S&W revolvers are inferior to my 627-5. Again back to post #9.

I place the IL and mim parts in the same box of I don't give a rats tail about either one. I have yet to hear of any S&W recall involving either one. I have read more problems with canted barrels or cracked frames on S&W guns than complaints of IL failure.
Again refer back to post #9.

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