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While shopping around a local gun show I saw one of those ERMA, Iver Johnson .22 Carbines, Made in Germany models. It happened to be at a guys table who has a shop local to me where I am a customer.
I gave it a good looking over and walked away with yet another rimfire rifle.
While I have a Ruger 10/22, I have never been real fond if it, It runs well with nary a misfire, But I guess it doesnt have character.
This is my newest find!
Only the 2nd semi auto rimfire rifle I have owned,
I will be taking it out to the range in a couple of days to test it out!
While I know the parts are hard to come by, and the mags are $50 bucks each, I really like the looks and feel of the M1 Carbine copy! I just with it had a Bayo lug.
Anyone here have one? And what are your impressions of them?

Any words of caution or advice is appreciated!
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Old 04-28-2009, 08:07 AM
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yup, I have an Erma just like it, its a blast to shoot, the mags(from Numrich) work OK

think I paid $100 or so few month ago as it had no mags with it, but in great shape

there is a good web site about these...but i cant find it right now
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Funny how things go. People love to get M1 Carbines WITHOUT the bayonette lug, since for most of them this was a post-war update. Same with the original, simpler, rear sight.
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My Underwood M1 Carbine has a Bayonet lug,
This little Erma looks good hangin in the safe with it's more powerful brother.
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An Underwood M1 Carbine, excellent. After serving in the South Pacific, in WW2, my Dad worked at "The Underwood" prepping surplus carbines for Korea. He told me the rifles were hung on a steel, round clothesline and his job was to blast the cosmo-caked M1s with a steam cleaner rod. I always remembered this because he told me that just about every guy working at the factory had served in WW2 and it was one of the worst jobs he'd ever had.
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Many years ago, my younger brother had a Marlin .22 LR rifle that resembled the M1 carbine. It had a 10(?) round tube magazine, rather than a detachable box magazine. It was a lot of fun to shoot. He died last year very suddenly, and I just didn't have the heart to ask his wife if I could buy it for my young son. I've never seen that particular Marlin model before or since. I'd love to find one of the Erma .22 caliber M1 carbine look-alikes at a decent price and in good shape.

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Always meant to pick up one of these and never did. And you guy's arnt helping!
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That looks sweet. If you are looking for a cheaper alternative, I find that my wife's Magtech 7022 (aka Mossberg Plinkster) falls into the same general size category as an M1 Carbine and just feels somewhat similar to me.

Unfortunately, it doesn't have the military-style aperture sight of the M1 Carbine knockoff. Although, I wonder if that could be added . . .

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Double-O-Dave, go and talk to her, do it Now.

I'm sure she will at least listen to you if you make you wishes known.

Not knowing her situation or feelings on guns, she may do something you will regret.

Sorry on the loss of your brother.

My friend's Wife just lost 2 of her brothers within several months this year and they both had a bunch of guns......
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Those are interesting rifles. Read the history of them last night and was all set to try to find one till I read about field stripping and maintenance. I think I'll stick with the 10-22s.

The gun action is a little complicated, and needed spare parts are non-existant. But, they are good trainers for introducing new shooters to the 30 cal M1 carbine.
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The Marlin M1 carbine .22 auto look-a-like was the Model '99M1'. That had a tube feed magazine.
A later version with a removeable 'clip' magazine was the Model '989M2'
The 989M2 was originally shipped w/2 magazines.

They're built on the same action as the Model 99 and Model 60 auto loader rifles and can suffer from the same fail to eject problems that the rifles do from faulty feed throats in the tube feed versions. Some work w/o any problems.
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Originally posted by 2152hq:
The Marlin M1 carbine .22 auto look-a-like was the Model '99M1'. That had a tube feed magazine.
A later version with a removeable 'clip' magazine was the Model '989M2'
The 989M2 was originally shipped w/2 magazines.

They're built on the same action as the Model 99 and Model 60 auto loader rifles and can suffer from the same fail to eject problems that the rifles do from faulty feed throats in the tube feed versions. Some work w/o any problems.
2152hq: thank you for the information. I don't recall any FTF or FTEs on my brother's rifle. My 11 year old son asked me yesterday if my brother and I had ever hunted together. I told him yes, we had, but I never really liked to go hunting with him. My son asked if that was because my brother was a better shot than I was, and I told him no, it was because he couldn't control the !@#$%^& muzzle on his rifle. My son knows how serious that is, so he said, well, I guess I don't blame you then, Dad. He's a good kid, and I see a lot of my younger brother in him.

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Double-O-Dave, go and talk to her, do it Now.

I'm sure she will at least listen to you if you make you wishes known.

Not knowing her situation or feelings on guns, she may do something you will regret.


Sorry on the loss of your brother.

My friend's Wife just lost 2 of her brothers within several months this year and they both had a bunch of guns......


Yogi,

Thank you for the kind words and advice. I think the plan now is for me to buy him a Ruger 10/22 that we'll put a nice, light weight, folding stock on. Then, we'll work on building an AR together. If I have a chance downstream to talk to my sister-in-law about the .22 rifle, I will. She knows I'm a gun nut, and I don't know what her financial situation is like - so I'll exercise some discretion here.

Much obliged for your wisdom,

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Originally posted by pred: My Underwood M1 Carbine has a Bayonet lug...
My Underwood M1 Carbine has no bayonet lug. It also has the early "flip" rear sight and push-button safety.

Nice .22!!!!
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That is a cool .22 I never knew they existed. Thanks for posting it here. The regular M1 is a blast to shoot, but boy is it expensive. Reloading helps, but you gotta pay close attention to the tolerances. If you want a nice lightweight trainer with the military look, go with the M&P 15-22. It is an awsome rifle. Oh yeah, maybe one of the barrel bands with a bayonete lug on eBay or anywhere else will fit. I have no idea how close the stock is to the big brother M1 tho.
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Bought mine new in 1965 from Service Merchandise in Atlanta for $40! Still have it today. One of the most accurate 22lr ever built! Fun to shoot and to carry. Still has it's original TASCO scope. I need to find a feed ramp for it, as over the years the chrome plating has worn down to pot metal and occasionally a jam will occur, but before the extensive wear, it would feed, fire and eject anything put in it! Have a Rock-0-la (yep, the Jukebox company) M1 Carbine with the original Marlin barrel. Came home from the South Pacific in a sea bag. I now wish I'd have documented the provenance on the gun. Great shooting gun. Take it out now and again and feed it! And wonder how the Marine who carried it felt going into battle with the Japanese!
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I inherited an Iver Johnson (Erma) 22lr carbine. Something is wrong with mine as you have to feed the rounds individually to shoot. I have changed magazines and it does it no matter what I do. It is now a safe queen.
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If you want a .22 that look's like a M1 cabine get a Ruger 10 22 then get a new stock set that I've seen in shotgun news and on the web for $150.00 .
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I bought several of the Iver Johnson .22 M1 carbine clones, still new in the box, for a song back in the early '90's when Iver Johnson was going out of business in Jacksonville, Arkansas. I gave them all away to family members as Christmas presents . . . don't recall why I didn't keep one for myself.
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Wow, that is a nice looking rifle. I have heard of them but never seen one - nice photo. Also - guys, I love my 10/22's and if you want open sights (the stock ones are all kind of lame) Williams makes a great peep sight combo, I think I paid $40 two years ago. I can get 1 inch groups easy at 25 yards. I have them mounted on my mannlicher stock (International) 10/22. I also have a DSP model with a Nikon 1-4x scope. Squirrel, Rabbit & Woodchuck are not safe.
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I traded a Marlin clip feed that jammed every 3rd round straight up for an Erma in a pawn shop in Big Spring Texas almost 40 years ago. It was the best trade that I have ever done! It is very accurate and it is almost a perfect match for a 30 cal carbine.
The wood is a little banged up but it will be one of the last guns that I would ever part with. Here are some pictures of the Erma on the top with an IBM carbine from 1944.
If you ever see an Iver Johnson or an Erma for sale, jump on it. You won't regret it.
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My first rifle ws a Marlin Model 60.
When my little sister got old enough to learn to shoot, dad brought home one of those beautiful M1C .22s.
He asked if I wanted to pas the 60 down to little sis and shoot it... or if I wanted her to have it.
I got the Erma and put MANY rounds thru it.
Our place was broken into and all the guns were stolen as well as my mothers engagement ring.
I still keep my eyes open for another one.
I will more than likely just end up with a 10/22 in a carbine stock however.


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I haven't shot mine too much, but I get better results with high speed ammo.
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I have one, like it, but as someone else said, no parts are available.
The best site I know for info on commercial carbines is
M1carbineInc.com

I bought my Erma from the site owner and sold him a S&H M1 Carbine.
Great guy, don't hesitate to contact him.
BTW: He has cautioned me about field-stripping beyond stock removal for cleaning. Easy to get into trouble.
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Have one from a gun show.
It fired four rounds then jammed, something musta changed for it has yet to chamber another round since.
They don't lift the nose up high enough, bang nose into end of barrel below chamber of course bolt stops.
Ramp is clean.
Brand new magazine ($$$) behaves exactly the same.

it looks as if the barrel is somehow about 1/4 inch too far back...
were it forward it'd be flush with receiver and the ramp would push nose of bullet up a bit higher .

Anybody ever heard of a rifle barrel shifting rearward?
Why would anybody do that ?

Maybe i'll knock out the two barrel pins (part 3 on Numrich schematic) and see what's there on bottom side of barrel.

BTW Numrich had a few magazines - i think $58 . Looks like a good one, it's stamped "ERMA".

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I think the Erma firearms cloned German weapons. P08, M1. I've read the P08 had a dicast barrel with steel insert. What is the barrel made of on the M1?

They are reproducing more clones now. Check out LEGACY CITADEL M-1 CARBINE .22LR w/ WOOD STOCK. $225.00 from buds guns..
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I have given up.
My Erma will not feed.
Usually the bolt does not come back far enough to eject the round and i get a stovepipe.
When it does eject it may or may not pick up the next round.
But sometimes it will cycle four times in a row.

Cannot find friction. Have had it apart fifty times.

Previous owner has cut 3/4 inch off rear of barrel. I rechambered it and straighted out his grooves for barrel pins which he'd filed cockeyed.

I am afraid of this design for following reason:

There are two alignment pins, number 37 on Numrich drawing
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Those pins align the upper receiver(36) to the trigger housing(1) below.
The pins i took out were 0.157 inch diameter. They were a loose fit.
I lost one so made a replacement 0.156 inch from 5/32 drill rod.
With that 0.156 pin(smaller by just a thousandth of an inch) in the rear position there was a thousandth or two vertical play , i could pull up on rear sight and feel the upper receiver move up relative to trigger housing.
Well when i did that the gun snapped and would have fired were a round chambered.
The sear, part 21 on that diagram, is fixed to the lower trigger housing.
The "firing pin piece"32 which rides on the sear and is held rearward by it, is held in vertical position by the upper receiver.
So relative vertical movement between upper receiver and lower trigger housing lets the firing pin move up and disengage from sear and come forward, just as if the sear had been dropped by trigger. On this gun that took 0.001 inch of movement. Safety would not prevent it.

As i got this gun it was 0.001 inch away from dangerous.
I made two 0.159 pins and they're a tight fit but will go into the holes. They eliminate that vertical play between upper receiver and trigger housing.
So now it's 0.003 inches away from dangerous.

I'm not gonna finish this one because 0.003 of an inch from tragedy is too close for me. More likely i'll weld the barrel shut and hang it on the wall. Or maybe see if i can whittle the stock and fit a 10/22 action in it.

I hope you have better luck with yours.

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This is a .22 clone

Looks good with a wood stock and good reports as a shooter.

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