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I have been seeing a lot on this and other forums about people "hoarding ammo". I am curious, what is the difference between "hoarding" and stocking up? Is there a fixed number of rounds you can buy after which it becomes "hoarding"? Is it caliber related? If you buy 1,000 rounds of .22 long rifle is that any better or worst then 1,000 rounds of .45 ACP? How about 1,000 rounds of 30-06? Does it make any difference if you are a competitive shooter or a casual plinker? How about how long it takes you to shoot it? If some one had got a good deal on 10,000 rounds of .22 long rifle 10 years ago and had just run out, and was trying to find 10,000 rounds for the next 10 years would he be "hoarding" or stocking up? I think all this talk about hoarding ammo plays into the hands of the anti-gunners. When I see politician talking about finding an "arsenal" or "assault weapons" or "why does some one need this to hunt" . I don't think it is to far of a stretch for them to tell me how much ammo I need or can have.
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I think it's pretty subjective and individual to the observer. It's analogous to George Carlin's observation to there being two kinds of drivers: "idiots" who don't drive fast enough, and "maniacs" who drive too fast.
Myself, I don't care. I suspect some people define "hoarders" as those who are making it impossible for themselves to "stock up"!
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In my opinion a hoarder is the individual who walks into a store and cleans the shelves REGARDLESS of caliber. Our local Wally World can't keep ammo on the shelves (old news) because of this. It is a fact that people are buying ammo to sell or trade in the future if the SHTF. Also local dealers are buying the ammo to stock their shelves at a huge mark up. If people would chill out there would be plenty of ammo for everyone.
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When I think of someone "hoarding" something it means they're not using it. I look at "stocking up" as getting more ammo to shoot.
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I look at it this way:
If someone is buying all they can for calibers they own and shoot, that is "stocking up."
If someone is buying because it is a good deal and it might come in handy for trade/barter/resale later (especially if they don't have a firearm chambered in that caliber), that is what I define as hoarding.
Probably not a text book definition but that is how I seperate the two. JMHO.
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When I think of someone "hoarding" something it means they're not using it. I look at "stocking up" as getting more ammo to shoot.
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I have a couple thousand rounds of 22 lr. three or four boxes of 9mm and 357mag and a half dozen boxes of 30-30 Maybe 5 boxes of shotgun shells. More than enough to get through a hunting season or two and have some home protection ammo. I reload for the 357 and have a brick of primers, and 500 JSP's.
If I see a good deal, I will pick up a couple of boxes of my calibers or gauges. That's all I need. I have no problem with somebody getting a ton of ammo they are going to use or hope to never use. The ones I have the problem with are the ones who will clear off a shelf and not leave a single box for anyone else. That is hording.
On the bright side, we're keeping our local gun shops and dealers in business when lots of other stores are closing their doors.
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I stocked up until I had all my safes full and could hardly move around the storerooms for all the containers.
Then I started some serious hoarding. I plan to continue buying ammo of some kind at least once a week for the foreseeable future. If Wally only has shotgun ammo, then that's what I'll buy that day. My local shop has some bricks of .22 lr at fairly reasonable price, so I think I am going to get a case (10 bricks) just in case. I figure to maintain a 10,000 round cushion of .22 lr, maybe even 15,000.
Call it what you want to, but I don't intend to run out, and I don't intend for my brothers/nephews, etc to run out. They are doing a little "stocking up" themselves. I think they have some room in their safes, so I might keep some of the overflow there for storage.
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"Hoarding" is the term used for "stocking up" by those folks who had their heads buried in the sands and then suddenly realized a thing or three, only they were a bit late getting to the party.
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Anti gun activists call it hoarding.
Shooters call it stocking up.
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I will continue hoarding my stock, which reminds me to thank all the folks here who advised me to "stock up" over the years and that I could never have enough. I could use some 357 though, I am down to 1,000 rounds.
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If you don't have a clue how much ammo you have, you might have enough ammo.
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If you don't have a clue how much ammo you have, you might have enough ammo.
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Apparently over the years I have purchased a lot of ammo as I keep finding long forgotten boxes of 9mm, .38, .357. .45 in various hidey holes around the homestead. Also zip lock bags of 100 rds of .223 purchased at some long forgotten gunshow (one bag still had the price on it $14/100 ) I have no idea what or how much I've got, I've got, but it appears that I do have a bunch.
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My son goes through a Walmart/Federal 550 pack every weekend.
He can shoot a bottle top threw the center at 20 yards. That's a Lithgow 22 converted trainer to 22 long rifle not a 303 in case someone did not catch previous posts.
I've got 16,000 rounds on hand. Every time Wally Word gets it in I buy it. Got Walmart Sporting Goods on speed dial.
All the other calibers got plenty of.
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Well, someone needs to explain to me how we define the terms. Is it based on the number we own? Or is it based on our intent when we buy it? Or is it based on how others view us? Caliber based? On our current usage levels? Answer those questions, and maybe we'll have a chance of answering.
I just want all I can get.
Ammo is like horsepower. Some is good, more is better, and too much is just right.
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Well, someone needs to explain to me how we define the terms.
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Stocking up = Me!
Hoarding = Everyone else...
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Apparently the Dept. of Homeland Security thinks anyone interested in this thread is a potential domestic terrorist worthy of observation now.
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Remember the old "You might be a gun nut if" threads?
Like: Your local PD stops by to borrow guns or ammo. Or you have enough guns to arm your entire neighborhood. The same goes for ammo.
We have a room in our house commonly referred to as the "Powder Magazine". And the ammo, mostly, isn't stored in it!
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My thoughts exactly.
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My thoughts exactly.
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How's that old quote go again?
"Perception is reality."
My perception is that I have just about enough, but a bit more might not be too bad either.
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From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding
Hoarding as a human behavior may be a response to perceived or predicted shortages of specific goods, or a compulsive abnormal behavior. The compulsive collecting of objects is known as pathological or compulsive hoarding. The compulsive collection and ownership of pets is known as animal hoarding.
Hoarding behavior may be a common response to fear, whether fear of imminent society-wide danger or simple fear of a shortage of some good. Civil unrest or natural disaster may lead people to collect foodstuffs, water, gasoline, and other essentials which they believe, rightly or wrongly, will soon be in short supply. Unlike hoarding immediately before or in the wake of a crisis, hoarding a resource while its supply is abundant can actually alleviate future shortages because those who stockpile in this manner will not contribute to future demand when supplies are reduced.
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I think I crossed the line between stocking up and hoarding yesterday.
I went to a shop to buy pistol primers. The owner of the shop was on the phone telling another customer that things are crazy now and he can't beg, borrow, or steal pistol primers. All he could get was a few cases of large rifle primers from Remington.
Well, I already had plenty of large rifle primers, but I now have 1,000 more...
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Well, don't expect the prices to stabilize, let alone drop back to something like normal, as long as you're driving this boat in this manner!!! The only one you can blame is the guy you look at in the mirror.
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Depends on your habits. If you shoot 10k rds a year and you have 20k, that's not hoarding. If you still have the box of 50 that came with your new gun 4 years ago, and you go out and buy 1k rds, that's hoarding. If you believe me, well here's your sign. Joe
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Folks, my mentor from 40 years ago said to always think of each gun you own as part of a system. You should stock enough ammo to keep it going when there was no more available or being made, have as many spare parts as may be needed to keep your pc. working{talk to gunsmiths about each model} and have plenty of magazines to keep that expensive semi-auto from being a real hard to work single shot , and if possible have duplicates of all your "serious" firearms. But mainly stock ammo all the time do not wait until times like now. For the more expensive ammo, buy 1 box a payday each and every week. If you had been doing this for the past years you would not now be running around paying higher than average prices.
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FWIW....
Hoarding is also defined as a supply stored and often hidden away. I have a supply of ammunition, but it is carefully stored for security, not to hide it. Not hoarded. Nope. Not a bit. Nada.
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I look at it this way:
If someone is buying all they can for calibers they own and shoot, that is "stocking up."
If someone is buying because it is a good deal and it might come in handy for trade/barter/resale later (especially if they don't have a firearm chambered in that caliber), that is what I define as hoarding.
Probably not a text book definition but that is how I seperate the two. JMHO.
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I just want enough so that I can rest easy for the rest of my life. I also buy parts for some of my guns based on how much ammo I have for them. Things like recoil springs, firing pins, impact absorbing peices, those little rubber rings that some semi auto shotguns won't run without, mag springs etc..
I stick with certain calibers: 45/70, 30-06, .308, .223, (although I did weaken and got a Ruger #1 in .458 magnum), 45 ACP, 40 S&W, 9mm, 38/.357, .380 and of course 22LR. I have enough of everything now I think, I have been planning this for 9 years and have acquired very little recently. Now I have to figure out how to stock up on .458 Winchester Magnum ($165 per box???). Maybe I will get reloading gear and componnents for that one. OOps, forgot about the 12 gauge-have had lots for years.
You see I had faith in our nation, and I knew that someday we would elect a Chicago political hack like Obama, honest I did. I guess I am a horder, but I am a happy horder. Now I have to find a cave in Montana.
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I knew that someday we would elect a Chicago political hack like Obama, honest I did. I guess I am a horder, but I am a happy horder. Now I have to find a cave in Montana.
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If you will recall, we elected one very similar to this one in 1992. It might not seem like it, but we were all pretty much singing the same song as now. Anyhow, I started "accumulating" ammo then. I'll probably never use all the ammo I have (somebody will), but it is nice to know I have it, and I will continue to buy it. I guess that constitutes "hoarding" in the strictest sense.
I'm 60 now. In 1992 I was 42. Those of you who are that age now, or younger, should learn a lesson from this. When this panic is over, and availability improves, start "stocking up." I really don't expect prices on most ammo to go down much, but I do expect supply to improve.
I don't want or need a cave in Montana. Just a piney woods in South Georgia.
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I think that anything more than a 10 year supply for each of calibers you own may be considered Hoarding.
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I did not realize I was hoarding until my latest ammo purchased showed up yesterday. I now have almost a thousand rounds of the much sought after .41 long Colt. If you can't find any, blame me.
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HA!
I just wanted some .41 Short Colts!
I haven't been able to find any .45 Colt short lately either. (AKA: .45 Colt Government)
Somebody must be hoarding it!
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I am now only shooting my .22's because I don't want to deplete my stock of centerfire ammo. I was in the Wal-Mart in Lake Havasu City yesterday. They didn't have any centerfire ammo and only a few boxes of CCI .22. Plus they had a sign limiting purchases to 5 boxes per customer. People may joke about the shortage of ammo, but it is beginning to be a serious problem. You may own a hundred guns, but if you have no ammo for them you basically have an expensive club. Reloading supplies are also becoming as scarce as factory loaded ammo. So where is it all going?? Is the government secretly buying it all up to keep it from it's citizens? Is the military hoarding it all. It's time to investigate this shortage and see who or what is causing the problem. I find it hard to believe that the so called "Panic" has made this situation so dire.
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I have a mixed box of 45 rounds of 41 Short Colts also. That's my smallest hoard.
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I've always tried to keep myself pretty well stocked up. But lately I've been thinking that I should just sit on my current supply of jacketed bullet ammo. We've got a local maker that can keep me supplied with lead bullets so I'll just shoot those for a while and save the expensive stuff for another time.
If that's hoarding, then so be it.
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I planned ahead, bought and an additional 40K of pistol primers Nov 5, '08 followed by pistol and rifle powder order in mid-November. There is now enough stuff to quietly enjoy my hobby for another 8 to 10 years depending on my physical condition. When the components are gone, bullet molds worn out, and the scrap range lead is used up, there will be a fantabulous sale on equipment and weapons. I'll keep the S&W 41, custom Ruger 10-22, and Mossberg 44US. Don't know where we'll go for vacation on the money (could be brazillions of $$ by then), but it will be first class and fun.
For the time being, a box of shells is either a 1 gallon milk jug filled with empty clean brass, or a 50 cal ammo can full of loaded rounds. I've got to stop picking up fired brass at the range. I'm not hoarding, I just got prepared early and shopped often at 3 different Wally Worlds. It took almost 4 months to acquire an adequate supply of 22 LR.
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Hoarding,assault-rifle,arsenal,etc. are verbs used by the gun-grabbers. These words, used the way they use them, are to elevate and convey their perception to the sheeple.
It matters not what is true, what matters, is what is perceived to be true....unknown author.
A gun without ammo is either a club or a hammer.
It is the perception that the Obama regime is out to get us that is driving this frenzy.
I would not be surprised if he appoints a gun czar to go along with all his other czars.
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I was in my local shop yesterday and they had some ammo (223, 7.62x39 etc), but no 9mm or 22lr. He has sold about 10 cases of 9mm in the past 2 weeks. One guy came in on Friday and bought 30 cases of 12 gauge trap loads and 10 bags of shot. He was of the opinion that cheap trap loads offset any advantage gained by reloading.
While I was there, some guy came in and wanted some 16 gauge light loads, which the shop had. He also wanted some 9mm and seemed surprised that there was none. He said he was not aware of any shortages.
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Spending the last few years obtaining a five or six year supply of ammo and reloading supplies for your various firearms when the stuff is readily available and often on sale can be one or the other of the following.
1. To one who has also stocked up over the past few years, it is "stockpiling."
2. To one who failed to think ahead and bought only enough ammo for the next visit to the range, it is "hoarding."
As with most things, it all depends on one's perspective.
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Just shooting .22lr at the range these days and keeping my .38sp for the future. There seems to be some Federal bricks at a couple of the local Walmarts but no .38sp. I don't really need to buy any more of either right now, but probably a few more boxes of.38sp wouldn't hurt.
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04-19-2009, 12:18 PM
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It's all in the eye of the beholder. When it is me buying up all the ammo, it is stocking up. When I can't find any ammo to buy, it is due to hoarding.
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04-19-2009, 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by tripledipper:
Just shooting .22lr at the range these days and keeping my .38sp for the future. There seems to be some Federal bricks at a couple of the local Walmarts but no .38sp. I don't really need to buy any more of either right now, but probably a few more boxes of.38sp wouldn't hurt.
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The nearest Walmart to me that carries ammo was out of bulk .22LR but for the first time I can remember had .38 Special WWB, 100 rounds per box. With tax came to $0.33/round, double what I paid elsewhere for bulk .38 Special in 2006.
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