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Old 07-21-2009, 11:59 AM
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What, if any, types of long guns did you older/retired LE's carry in the car with you? In my time{late 60's early 70's} I carried a 30/30 Marlin, M1 Carbine, a 1907 .351 and a take down Win. Model 97 at different times. Also briefly a Remington Model141 in 35 Rem. Most of the men on my shift carried some type of personally owned long gun, with the M1 carbine the most common. The shift Lt. carried a Chief's Spec. on his belt but on any type of serious call, usually had an M2 carbine with a 30 shot mag. in it.
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I carried a M1 Carbine quite a bit. Still have it, Inland 1943 production. Not the most powerful cartridge around, but fully capable of 30 aimed shots on the silhouette target at 200 yards (before becoming a grandfather ruined my eyesight).
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Dept had M1 and M2 carbines. Loved those M2s. LOL
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Patrol supervisors carried .351 autoloaders, every patrol car carried Remington 870 with 00 buck and slugs, armory had two .45ACP Thompsons (one civilian model, one military) for "special" circumstances (never used during my time). Later, the department sold the .351s and Thompsons and bought M-16s for every car, plus the shotguns.
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We were issued 870s, which almost no one took on their patrol boats. The range was too short to be useful and they rusted with all the salt water around. I carried an early AR-15 carbine, my partner an M-2 carbine.
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M1 Garand, Remington 1100
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I am not a LE officer but do have a nice Winchester 07 in .351 marked Kentucky State Police. It is engraved on the side of the receiver. The rifle was built in the early to mid fifties.
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I remember in the early 1980s the Oklahoma Highway Patrol had Mini-14s with factory folding stocks carried upside down in metal brackets screwed to the drivers door. At the time there was news that they were one, of very few State Police agencies that had standard issue rifles in every car.
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In Detroit, circa late 60's, 12 ga. shotguns were carried in electric lock-in carriers. Some cars had grenade guns and maybe a Mod. 94 rifle.
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Seven Different Departments Issue:
Winchester Model 97 12ga.
Winchester Model 12 12ga.
Ithaca Model 37 12ga.
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German MP-38 9mm SMG
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Colt M-16 .223 Selective Fire Rifle.
In armory were Springfield M-14 7.62 Selective Fire Rifles, MP-5 .40 SMGs, and Savage BA .308 Rifles with Scopes.
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Old 07-21-2009, 07:38 PM
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Remington 870 with #4 buck and slugs. For special occasions, Uzi 9mm sub - full auto
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In my first agency, Winchester 94 .30-30 Rifles were issued to sergeants. I was issued a Winchester Model 12 shotgun in the Academy.

By the time I retired as a sergeant, I was issued a Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine (LE6721) and a Remington Police Magnum.

In my "retirement job", I carry my personally-owned S&W M&P 15A rifle with Aimpoint M4s + 3X Magnifier, Surefire Scout Light, and other Magpul and Larue Tactical accessories. This is light-years ahead of what we used to carry!
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First rifle I carried on patrol back in the early 80's was my personal ruger Mini 14 with folding stock.

Transfered to local PD and still carried the Mini on occasion, most thought I was gung ho.

We now carry Rock River M4's but have to have completed a patrol rifle school in order to carry it.

Used to qualify with my Bushmaster AR but no longer allow to until I go the patrol rifle school.
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Out of the academy, we were issued Remington 870s, save for one who got a Winchester model 12. I carried a Ruger M77 in .257 Roberts in the trunk.
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When my dad was a federal agent I used to go to his office and look at all the firearms they had. The only two long guns I remember were a Winchester 97 Trench Gun in the Denver office in the early 60's and then in the Cleveland office an M1A1 Thompson around 1970 or so.
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When the Pa State Police went to the AR-15 all they had left in the patrol rack for rifles were Winchester 670's in 30-06, some with scopes some without. Department personell could buy one after the switchover, I bought one and they even left the PSP property stickers on it.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:35 PM
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Well, le's see:
Remington 870s changed to semiautos
M-1 Carbines used to abound, now verboten
there was a whole rack of M-14s in the Armory that never saw the light of day.
One guy had a bring-home honest-to-god AK-47 selectfire
ARs in sergeants' cars
not really a big long gun department.
Used to be a couple 1903's, since replaced by Remington Police in .308
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One guy usually carried the M-1 Carbine and the other an 870. We didn't have locks in the car, so the long guns were usually carried on the floor next to the seats.

I carried my own folding stock AK with a 30 round mag. I had nicer guns but not to carry on the floor of the car during the winter.

The "gun cars", before the SWAT days, had boxes in the trunk of the car with gas guns, old fashioned vests, Winchester 94's and some type of sniper rifle in 30-06 I think.
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remington and mossburg 12ga.shotguns....locked in the trunk as they "looked offensive" to the public
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I had to do a bid for security upgrades to the armory of a West Tennessee Sheriffs Department about 15-18 years ago. They had in their rifle racks a few 1903's, a scoped 03A4, Thompsons, M1/2 Carbs, a BAR/Colt Monitor, and AR15/M16's. I coudn't get close enough to them to tell if any were civilian versions, select fire or tri-burst. The Thompsons were just about guaranteed to be select fire as both were SBR versions. I don't know what they were carrying in the cars, this is just what they had in armory storage.

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I have worked for 3 Police Departments and one Sheriff's Department in my career. When I started back in the mid-1970's in a City Police Department, our patrol cars carried Remington 870 shotguns and we had access to a Thompson SMG and an M-2 carbine. We later obtained an Uzi and an early l Colt AR-15 rifle.

The Sheriff's Department was back in the early 1980's and we carried only Remington M-870 shotguns and were not allowed to carry any rifles at all.

The second Police Department I worked at, when I got there, we had Winchester Model 94 .30-30 carbines and by the time I left 10 years later, we were carrying H & K MP-5/40 SMG and/or M-14 .308 rifles in the Patrol Cars.

My present Police Department, in the patrol cars, we double rack mount a Colt M-4 .223 carbine and Benelli M-1/M-4 14" Entry shotguns. We also have access to H & K MP-5/40 SMG and some M-14 rifles for special assignments.

I also have a personal owned Springfield M1A .308 Scout rifle that I sometimes carry and also have a personally owned Remington Model 700 BDL Varmint .223 Bolt Rifle with a 3X-9X Scope and an FN PBR .308 Bolt rifle with a Leupold 4.5X - 14X Scope for more accurate shooting.
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I remember in the early 1980s the Oklahoma Highway Patrol had Mini-14s with factory folding stocks carried upside down in metal brackets screwed to the drivers door. At the time there was news that they were one, of very few State Police agencies that had standard issue rifles in every car.
Obviously those Okies were smarter than the rest! +1
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I'm no LEO, but I have a nice old police gun brought back from a hunting trip to Wyoming years ago. We stopped at a small gun shop in Sioux City and saw six model 64 carbines sitting on the rack, all in .30-30. Story was that the local police department had traded them in for six AR's. We brought all six of them home with us and I eventually ended up with the best of the lot - the stock is marked TRAFFIC-DEPT S.C. and also has what appears to be a catalog number. The others were carried in squad cars and were a little rough but in great mechanical condition.

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When I went throught the BP academy and during my time in, we had 870 shotguns & Remington slide action .308's. We did get some MP-5's the last couple of years I was in, however they couldn't be checked out with out the Chief's ok, so we just got to qualify with them once a year.
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This may not fit here, but I own a Colt Lightning pump rifle in .44 (something) that says SFPD. I think the were used around 1900, but not carried in the squad cars.
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WHP issued 870s.
I carried an Armalite AR-180 squeezed down under the headrest on the seat of my patrol car, and a 300 H&H Magnum in the trunk.

A shot gun just don't have long enough legs for some things that go on in Wyoming
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When I started with the Patrol we had a wide variety of issue long arms. Everyone got a Winchester 94 plus a shotgun which could have been one of the following: Winchester 97, Winchester 12, Winchester 1200 or a Remington 870. So much for standardization!. There were also Ruger M-77's in .308 at every district office.

Shotguns were all changed to the 870 in the late 80's, but we lost the Model 94's which were replaced by surplus M-14's (everybody like those a bunch). As of late, the agency dropped the M-14's and went to AR-15's, some mixed feelings about that, but so it goes.

As a side note, we also had in the armory a very cool Remington Model 8, 35 Remington, from the early days of the patrol. It had one of the St. Joesph Police supply 15 round stick magazines. Same thing you see in some of the old photos of the people who took down Bonnie and Clyde.
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Here's a picture that a newspaper reporter took of me a couple of years ago. It was my day off when I got a call on my cell phone from dispatch that a on-duty officer was in pursuit of a armed suspect not far from my home and was asking for backup. With most of my gear always in my take home patrol car, I grabbed my duty belt and vest and headed out to help.

Later, as I was standing on the side of the road I got out my M1 carbine in M1A1 configuration. A newspaper reporter from the local paper came up to ask me a few questions about what was going on (none of which I would answer, I don't like talking to reporters), he then asked "what kind of new fangled assualt rifle do you have? I've never seen anything like that before." I told him it was a M1 carbine, it was designed over 60 years ago and used in WWII and the Korean War. Amazingly, he then asked, "will a gun that old still kill people?"

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Faulkner, that pic seems familiar, maybe from GlockTalk. Are you the guy who outfitted his department with Israeli surplus M1s, fitted with M2 magazine catches to better handle the weight of the 30 round mags?
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will that gun still kill people.... my answer would have been no, that people now days are getting bulletproof skin
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It may be a northwest thing but we carried 870s at nearly every department I worked at.

All also carried at least one centerfire rifle and often 2. If it was 2 then it was almost always a semi/full auto and a scoped bolt gun.

ISP first M2s and then m16s (this is back when LEAA was pouring stuff in to LE)

OSP M16s.

WCSO M16 and a scoped Model 70 in 30-06

MCSO Winchester 94 carbine and a scoped Remington 700 in 300 Win Mag.

HCSO M16, scoped Remington 700 in 338 Win Mag.

Feds various M16s, HK91s, HK93s etc.

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Yep, my department purchased 60 surplus M1 carbines almost 10 years ago. I spent several months reworking them for duty use and we got very good service out of them. Still have a dozen or so in service, the rest were offered for sell to the deputies recently.

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Later, as I was standing on the side of the road I got out my M1 carbine in M1A1 configuration. A newspaper reporter from the local paper came up to ask me a few questions about what was going on (none of which I would answer, I don't like talking to reporters), he then asked "what kind of new fangled assualt rifle do you have? I've never seen anything like that before." I told him it was a M1 carbine, it was designed over 60 years ago and used in WWII and the Korean War. Amazingly, he then asked, "will a gun that old still kill people?"
It shakes my confidence in this nation that a reporter in the Ozarks would ask those questions and be so firearms ignorant. On either coast I could understand it, or in Minnesota, but in the Ozarks?!?
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Wow. It's hard to believe that was 10 years ago. What kind of work did they need before being put into service?
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It shakes my confidence in this nation that a reporter in the Ozarks would ask those questions and be so firearms ignorant. On either coast I could understand it, or in Minnesota, but in the Ozarks?!?
I said he was from the local paper, not sure if he was actually from the Ozarks.

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Wow. It's hard to believe that was 10 years ago. What kind of work did they need before being put into service?
They were not really in all that bad a shape. I put new spring kits in all of them and cleaned up and refinished the stocks. Put a few of them in Choate's synthetic stocks. After I'd serviced three or four I'd take them to the range, sight them in and run 'em through a course of fire. Though most of them were well used, they were all serviceable.

We got very good service out of them and the performed well side by side with black rifles at the range. We did a lot of test comparisons at the range including ballistic vests testing, auto body and auto glass penetration, accuracy, and reliablity. We found that the .30 carbine round and the .223 had similar performance with ballistic vests and auto bodies, but the .30 carbine seemed to penetrate auto glass and windshields better. Reliablity was high with both the M1 carbine and the black rifles, and accuracy was pretty much equal out to 100 yards. Past 100 yards, the black rifles really outperformed the carbines.

When surplus ammo dried up for training, the cost of ammo is what finally pushed us to start retiring the carbines, but we got our money's worth out of them.

A couple of them were close to collector quality. I recall the sheriff picked out one that was almost all Rock-Ola and he restored it to original WWII USGI configuration and hung it in his office.
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We carry Winchester jacketed soft hollow points. This bullet allows you to stand up and take notice of the .30 carbine round and really turns it into a very capable one shot stopper.

Fortunately, we've never had to use it on a human, but I've taken several whitetail deer, a number of hogs, and downed a few bovin with it to good effect.

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Late '70's. Small South Georgia town.

Found myself alone on a roadblock looking for several convicts who had commandeered a delivery van. All I had was an issued double barrel shotgun, my personal M-66 and a radio.

Next day I went to a local pawn shop and bought a new Ruger Mini-14. A 180 series with the wooden handguard. Unlike most Mini-14's I found this one to be quite accurate.

A bit later I sanded the stock down making it a small bit lighter and thinner. I used tobacco juice to restain it. Came out a bit lighter in color and the finish never was perfect. Always had a very slight tacky feel.

Later, either traded or sold it. Can't remember which.
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This is for Joe.



Rifles were rare in my area in 60's - 70's. City had a Thompson and the county had four Winchester 94's and a Reising locked up, never to be used.

I carried an AR-180 which, with the folding stock, rode nicely on the floor with the forend on the transmission tunnel.

Later, when a chief had qualms about .223, broke out an M-1 Carbine using Rem SP and Win JHP.

Never qualified with either; it never occurred to anybody.
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Craig, have you got any tintypes of the Colt Paterson and musket they issued you right out of the academy?
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Craig, how are we gonna deal with these young Texas Whippersnappers? They just got no respect for their more "seasoned" elders.
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Good looking Model 8 and 81. That's for some serious police work.
Have you been to the Great Model 8 and 81 website?
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Only SOD had rifles-in the 70's and early 80's I carried a Remington 870 Folding Stock, S&W Model 10 on my hip and a S&W Model 36 flat latch in my coat. When the Jamaicans started carrying .45s, I added a Browning High Power in a Bianchi Shoulder holster under my nylon jacket. An old Sergeant once told me "the fastest reload is a second gun". I listened to him.
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I have a real nice Winchester 07 that is engraved "Kentucky State Police" on the side of the receiver. It was built in the early 50s. I guess that Kentucky used them sometime after that time.
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I'm not a retired LEA, but back in the late 50's and early '60 local and state law enforcement agencies in Alabama received a lot of M1A1 folding stock carbines from military sources. Our local small town department had a case of the M1A1's and they sold a few to locals for $25 each. I ended up with one and it was absolutely new! About the same time the government gave or sold a lot or Remington M11 riot guns to LEA's in this area.
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We always carried an 870 in a carrier. The only time I used a rifle was during the riots of 1967~68. Carried a personal M-1 Carbine w/ bayonet.
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Back when you could choose your own duty weapon (which also meant buy it), I carried a Colt Combat Elite 45ACP and a Marlin Camp carbine that used the same mags.
I actually switched to a revolver later on, a 629 Mountain gun and a Ruger 44 carbine. I always liked the idea of the same ammo for both guns. The good old days!
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I started LE in the mid-70s. My first car gun was a personally owned H&K 93 until I moved to Alaska in 1977. I was issued a Colt M16A1 by the department but replaced it with a self purchased Colt SP1 sixteen inch carbine when Colt started making them. In 1984 the department issued those of us on the entry team H&K MP5s but I still carried the Colt SP1 for longer range situations.

I retired as chief in 2005. My last long gun issued was the original M16A1 I had in 1977 but it was refurbished with a collapsable stock and a flat top M4 14.5 inch upper. It was a tossup between the M4 and the MP5 as to my favorite.
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Almost 25 years of duty...

We always had the 870, tested some of the auto loaders while teaching at the Academy but we never went to them, still running the 870's. And, as Bobcat pointed out, we had the 760 pump action .308, which only seemed the get drawn for duty during deer season. Hmmm

Later we obtained a number of M14's, with the happy switch disabled and soon those gave way to the Ruger Mini 14. The Mini 14's went away when we got a bunch of USMC Armory rebuild M16A1's and eventually those changed over to the M4 configuration. The rack in my Tahoe carries an 870 and my M4 with the happy switch that functions.

Every station had one MP-5 way back then and, again as Bobcat said, we got to qual with it once a year. I wish we still had them because I really liked the MP-5, smoothest 32 rounds in 3 seconds you ever ran through. The single MP-5 has been replaced at most stations by a fair quantity of UMP-40's. Nice, but no MP-5. I carry mine in a lock box in the back of my Tahoe.

And for the latest generation of agents we have the PLS, pepperball lauchers - like paintball guns, I mean they really are paintball guns. Up close a personal paintball guns (and these dang things hurt - we had to take hits during training. Its been well over a year since I was shot three times and I can still see the discoloration to my skin from the projectiles). If they want to reach out and pepper someone out to 250 yards we have the pepperball launcher on steroids, the FN-303.
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