Just be sure to carry plenty of Jack Links jerky in areas you think you might see a squatch so you can mess with him! LOL!

i 2nd that.........

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Bigfoot may think humans are just a old campfire story.

Seriously I'm a Skeptic. In the true meaning of the word. I'm not a "believer" but on the other hand, I don't say it's impossible. Only fools think they know everything.

If one looks at the hair sample evidence submitted in the past to various labs, one will find that most was from known species like cattle or deer. However, there have been many samples turned in that came back not matching any known species.

If hair samples were labeled as not matching anything on file or from a known species, then where did they come from?

Did a prehistoric creature cross a barbwire fence 2 million yrs ago and leave hair samples found last year in a fence in n TX and submitted to the crime labs there? This is happening in states over the US, even in NY.

What about people totally unrelated seeing the same thing at the same time? This has happened, even close to here on I-49, one a long haul trucker and one a tourist from MO saw one on the side of the road in Natchitoches Parish.

What about the long haul truckers that have seen them at night? There has been a lot of sighting reported to Sheriff's offices across the US by truckers. Are they filing a false police report?

Yes, there are a lot of hoaxes and a lot of people seeking publicity. Likely more than 90% of the stories are either wrongful identification or made up. The photos are often photoshopped but there are those that the FBI lab in Quantico says is authentic but they cannot identify the creature depicted thereon. There is nothing to compare it with and without study, there is no answer.

There are millions of deer in the US but few people see them. I am told there are hundreds of thousands of wild hogs in Louisiana and hunters can now shoot them. There may be but I own a farm in a remote forested area in Natchitoches Parish but in the time I have spent down there, I have not seen one wild hog. Nobody I have talked with down there has either but the WFA says they are there. So because I have not seen one and no one that I know has seen one, does that mean wild hogs do not exist?

But I know one man very well that saw a Bigfoot and it scared him more than anything else in his long life. I casually knew another that was chased by one in DeSoto Parish. This was confirmed by several people living in the area and a newspaper article was written about the incident. The man happened to be a news reporter, a police photographer and a respected civil war historian. So can I tell these two people they lied about seeing a Bigfoot? I do not think so when both men had more character than anyone I know and I saw one of them crying his eyes out about seeing one and being afraid to tell anyone for over a year.

The thing that makes Bigfoot such a hot potato is the very fallible human nature. Time and time again in the history of Man his foolishness has been his downfall. Many people use the word fool but how many know what it actually means. Fool = lack of belief in anything not experienced for oneself.

Examples of this are celestial in number. Gary Busey didn't believe in motorcycle helmets until it almost killed him, now he's a fierce proponent; a preeminent fool! People didn't believe in the Nazis death camps; need I say more? Etc.......

If it is counterintuitive human nature applauds ridicule, like grade school children making fun of handicapped children, or denying existence of the Mountain Gorilla, or the giant squid, or the world is round not flat and yes Gigantopithecus or wood ape, AKA, Bigfoot!

So the non-believers are actually most responsible for the lack of publishing of 'hard evidence' that they so dearly cling too as their sophistry for non-belief. Who wants to be ridiculed even if it is by fools just because the fools are the majority? Down thru history majority opinion has seldom equated to accuracy.

Another amazing fault of human nature is how quick they are to form rigid opinions, especially if popular, on subjects they virtually know nothing about nor care to know; the epitome of a fool. Again, human nature to be part of the majority seems to over rule all rational judgment.

P. T. Barnum had no idea how profound and far reaching his claim: "There's a sucker born every minute." That includes being suckered into majority opinion.

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I think it's entirely possible and very likely that Sasquatch is real. There are just too many stories from such a long time span for all of them to be hoaxes. That being said, I believe that there are a tremendous number of fakes, hoaxes, and outright lies.

I don't subscribe to the theories about Bigfoot being an alternate universe being, phasing through spacetime, clouding minds, etc, but I believe that it is very likely that there is a small population of "undiscovered" large ape like creatures that are flesh and blood.

To answer the OP's question about an appropriate sidearm, I'd prefer to have my S&W 500 if I had to shoot one.

(In a different thread) I did take the time to look at the links you provided for suggested reading on the topic. After reading some of the of claims made by the characters in the links, I did a bit of research of my own-- National Geographic (link below). Suffice it to say... Rubber and polyester and not known species.

It isn't about finding Bigfoot, but rather about finding people who are easily separtated from their money.

Bigfoot Hoax: "Body" Is Rubber Suit

My theory is that the majority of these people saw something they couldn't immediately identify. But until I see a trail cam photo that has been authorized as legitimate I will continue to disbelieve.

You did not go far enough. All believers will admit to there being hoaxes. There have been millions of sightings but there has been little evidence found. The evidence there is should be enough to say they exist. Some states have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars passing and enforcing laws against killing one. If they do not exist, why pass the laws?

What about the FBI lab findings? Nothing on record matches the hair samples. OK, so there is nothing to compare samples with so that means a species yet unknown to science.

Dig in man. Read in depth and do not stop when you get to what you want to believe. It took me years of reading and studing just to get me to where I thought they possibly could exist. Then once I spoke with the most honest man I ever knew and in his late 60's, after working most of his life in the woods and living in a very secluded wooded area, he cries as he admits to seeing one up close. Later I was able to confirm many reports were on file at the local sheriff's office about seeing one during that general time frame and area. Within a year, I am hearing from a well respected man that he and another gentleman had an encounter with one. His encounter was published in newspapers and he was interviewed by some of the best there are at spotting falsehoods.

Tell me how it is that so many people can see things that do not exist. I saw three deer last night behind my house. I did not have a camera with me or a rifle (not deer season yet anyway) so does that mean deer were not there and I did not see them?

One thing college taught me was to be open to other views. I formed my opinion based on reading things I was not believing but now believe in.

John, nobody can confirm a trail cam photo. It can be said as "possibly" but not for sure. People can dress in costume and try to pass off as anything. I have seen some fairly good hoaxes. But I have seen some very promising videos. One that stands out is where a rafting adventure was being filmed and the BF was not the subject in the camera lens but showed up temporarily. If you search the thousands of photos and videos, you will come across some that sets off a fake alarm but you will see some that you will say is accurate and factual.

When I am on a crime scene, I look for factual evidence that says someone did it but also I look for the lack of evidence that says someone did not do it. I walk into every crime or accident scene with an open mind. Some times it takes weeks to come up with the right answer. Not everything is black or white.

I think it is possible that they exist..just not in the Uwharries.

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Oldman45,

I don't pretend to know a lot about Bigfoot, but you claim to know something about it and say you have been reading for years. So... when you posted those links and said they were "great" and to check the background on them, I did. Here is what I found.

One guy was anonymous going by the name of "Bear Hunter" who was babbling about buying an EMF protective suit to keep him from going delirious in the proximity of Bigfoot; Bigfoot decorating his home by dangling bicycles and chairs in trees; Bigfoot being the sole survivor of the Great Hominid Wars thousands of years ago; Bigfoot kidnapping men for procreation.... on and on. All of this while being interviewed by some guy who defines himself as a Independent Left journalist in California.... Trustafarian in a shackteau, slumming it up in the barrio. Revolutionary patriotic Leftist, liberation theology, replacement theology... and a member of the Green party and Communist party.

Now if this is what is considered a "great" source and info by someone such as yourself who has spent years reading about Bigfoot... then... well... I think I have read enough. However, I will capitulate to your request and read more. --- > You say the FBI has some laboratory evidence or some type of findings regarding Bigfoot? Go ahead and post a linked source for this and I will read it.

You asked - "How can so many people see things that do not exist?" From insanity to fraud... and everything from Louis Farrakhan's visits with the Mother Ship to Madam Zelda's necromancy sessions.... I don't have answers for all these but I generally ignore them at my pleasure.

Sounds like as good an excuse as any to tromp off to the woods or mountains with a large cooler and your buddies. We're going off to hunt Sasquatch again dear, I'll be back some time next week - or when the beer runs out. Having that, I will believe when I see one in the Houston zoo.

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Oldman45,

I don't pretend to know a lot about Bigfoot,.........

Chattanooga Phil,

Thanks for your honesty. Many will argue one way or the other till they're blue in the face when the opposite is the case, i.e., never admit that they don't know a lot. They are just arguing from a very small frame of reference or even just their own opinion with no facts at all. There's many reasons for this syndrome:
They just like to argue, pro or con.
Being a skeptic is on the "safe" side and never having to worry about being ridiculed.
Many are not interested in seeking the reality, again pro or con, they just want to argue their opinion and to be right.
And on and on and on.

I don't argue, I prefer to share known facts and credible statistics with anyone that's interested enough to want to hear them but also LISTEN to their facts, again pro or con. No one I know knows for sure what Bigfoot is. Some that are knowledgeable of a preponderance of evidence and facts do believe they know. Some will never have enough to want to make a logical hypothesis or be convinced big foot exists, but decide with even less info that it doesn't.

Bottom line, no one can convince another who believes the opposite, period, no matter how many facts one throws at them pro or con. One needs to do their own research that's CREDIBLE TO THEM, again pro or con. And it's so easy to do with a couple of clicks that one doesn't need to be steered to anyone else's sources. But they should seek sources or they have no 'ammo' with which to credibly discuss, only denial, pro or con.

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S&WCA #819

Mr Moderator, none of us have all the answers. I am fair in my work and look at all sides. In court, I tell the good points along with admitting the bad issues.

Anyone supporting the Bigfoot theory seriously will admit to a lot of experts denying the potential for it's existence. There are several experts that support it's existence as well but there are thousands of sightings over the world each year. Most of those are either hoaxes, misidentification or drug induced sightings. Then there are the many accurate sightings by respected people of character. Truckers, sheriffs deputies, game wardens, forest rangers and many others have given reports of sightings.

There is also about 20 good websites supported by research groups that give both sides. I am not going to head out on one of the research expeditions and waste my time. The odds of tracking something down that elusive would not be good. What would one do if they did find one? You cannot shoot them by law. Obviously you cannot walk up to it and invite it home for dinner. Roping it would be out of the question. Most people is not going to accept a clear photo of one since the really good photos are dismissed as being photoshopped. People will not even accept the FBI lab reports that some photos are actual depictions. So why track it down.

If one studies the papers out there now, they will see that it is possible one person did shoot one and the remains are under study. However admitting to shooting it might well get the person several years in jail. One person with a lot of respect in the research area has offered to produce the remains of one, as well as some good photos, if the government will agree to change the law to protect the shooter and a couple of other things.

Much like me, I own a couple of weapons (factory made) that may not be legal in some areas. I am not going to take photos of them, carry them in my car or go into the woods with them. I keep them for historical reasons but not walking into the local police or sheriffs department with them to show them. It would not be to my benefit. Publically announcing having the remains of a Bigfoot would not be to one's benefit either. While you may make a lot of money from it, spending the money might be a tad difficult from within the greybar motel. As my daddy always said, it might not be the best thing you ever did in this life.

Now a group question:

Anyone can see that BigFoot stories garners a lot of interest among people. They make commericials about them, they have festivals around them, they sell products promoting them and there is a lot of books on them.

Yet if you came across one, be it on a roadway, in the woods, or where ever, would you tell the authorities? It is evident that a lot of people will think you are crazy, lying, drunk or drugged up. A few will believe you but most will always remember the time you were ridiculed for saying you saw one.

So just what do you do? Tell about it or keep it inside.

The relative of mine (by marriage) was scared to death once he saw one. Having lived and worked in the woods all his life, this was his first and only sighting and it was right beside his country home. This scared him so badly he insisted I bring him one of my large rifles immediately (a 250 mile round trip at midnight). Yet he was not going to tell anyone about seeing it because he figured they would think he was crazy. It took him a year to tell me about it and then was crying and shaking as he spoke of it. It scared him that bad. He was a honest man, moreso than anyone I ever met. He was over 65 yrs of age at the time. He was not well educated, never heard of a BF, did not know the commonalities of the creature or such. He lived without a tv until 1970 and he was unable to get phone service until 1977 due to the remote area in which he lived. He only knew what he saw and even thought of it as being a demon.

So would you admit to seeing one knowing it would expose you to ridicule for the rest of your life?

Being a journalist, I'm probably slightly more immune to ridicule than most, but more suspect for maybe inventing the sighting to sell an article. So, I'd probably write down all my facts, try to gather any evidence like hair, tracks, damage to foliage or a house, etc.and do a story. Maybe a tabloid (if no one else) would buy it, and I hear they pay well.

I have already admitted on this board to having seen a UFO years ago, and that sighting was confrmed by a USAF radar crew. In fact, fighters were dispatched to investigate it, but it easily eluded them. That in itself was pretty sobering: those fighters were Mach 2 aircraft!

Like you, I have read about Bigfoot, etc. for decades, and some of the evidence seems credible. BTW, I thought it was an Army CID lab that examined the unknown hairs, not the FBI lab. Maybe both have seen some?

So, yeah, I'd tell, and do my best to make others believe without sounding like a nut. Or like a guy trying to sell a story...But I'd hope that other witnesses saw it, too.

Keep in mind that I know a man who is acquainted with the producer of the movies about the Fouk, AR incidents, and he checked around some and is satisfied that "something" very unusual was there, although the tracks in the film were possibly faked for the movie. That hunting dogs that didn't shrink at chasing bears were afraid of it is sobering.

I honestly believe that the less educated people are, the more likely they are to be afraid to speak out if they see one. To be sure, a company president or public official might be very reluctant to admit to seeing Bigfoot. But military and airline pilots have reported UFO's...

Texas Star, you bring out some good points. As to labs, as you know well, samples are sent to several labs. One lab may have one opinion and another lab may have a view 180 degrees different. My daughter reviewed my last blood work and then told me the results will always depend on which lab does it. She said that labs use in house samples as reference points and depending on what they see will decide what is normal. How does one measure or decide what something is when they have nothing to compare it with?

I have never seen a bigfoot or a UFO but I am not going to say that neither exists. There is compelling evidence on both sides for each. I have seen things I cannot explain.

There's nothing to argue, but rather examine. I read Oldman45's link which he defined as great. I examined the claims and sources but could not find anything but unsubstantiated fantastical bunk by an anonymous character calling himself bear Hunter and a Trustafarian revolutionary patriotic Leftist liberation theology Green party Communist (as he describes himself)

So... now we have a claim that the FBI has a mysterious fur ball. Let's take a look...

What about it? From what I have read, this goes back to 1975 regarding a supposed claim made in the Washington Environmental Atlas that the FBI had a hair sample of unknown origin. According to what I have read, when the FBI received inquiry from Peter Byrne of the Bigfoot Research Project, the FBI went on record writing a letter saying they had no such hair files and the editor of the Atlas, Dr Rice, had no source for the claim.

Peter Byrne of the Bigfoot Research Project later sent the FBI 15 hair samples which were supposed to be from Bigfoot. The FBI examined them and concluded they were hair from deer.

Did you have any other information on this?

Oh yeah... almost forgot. There is supposed to be some guy by the name of George Clappison (UFO investigator and such) who claims that "This Person" at the FBI tested the hair of unknown origin after hours on on his own time but unfortunately no written reports were kept.

So if one has weapons and they are legal in their area - never mind California or Canada - why wouldn't one show them off? Ponders. I never hide that I have ARs what not.

My philosophy would be the same with a bigfoot. I'd kill it if possible. It should be... eh... legal enough... to do so where I'm at. It was coming right for me anyway.

Probably would offend some people in some places, but I figure that isn't my problem.

Assuming that I saw one and didn't have a chance to kill it, I'd talk about said sighting. Why not? It's possible that it was something else. And in the realm of ridicule, eh, not much different than all the 1 MOA Wasrs and 5000rd reliable out of the box Hi Points that populate the net.

For the record I'm a believer that something along these lines might exist, but I'm what they'd call in the world of wrestling fans a "smart mark". In other words I'm well aware of what most of the product consists of....

Anyway... If I bag one around here I promise that I'll post a thread with pictures.

For those that are totally bored and have little to do in life, they may enjoy visiting the floowing website:

Bigfoot DNA Report Analysis 2011 - Sasquatch Watch Canada 

Following the links after the initial page (which has wording most, including myself do not fully comprehend) they can read about the Erickson Project. It is informative, somewhat educational and possibly convencing. The other links relieve boredom.

I want to say that I do not have a dog in this fight. I have not spent anything other than time in gathering information over the years about the possible existence of Bigfoot. Nor have I, nor will I, contributed a dime to any group involved with the research. If a Bigfoot is found, good. If not, it can remain a mystery as are many other things in life. It may be that it will remain unexplained just as women are unexplainable. I know the government spent $200,000 on booklets pertaining to Bigfoot and that seems stupid for them to do when there is little evidence to suggest the existence of something. Also I want to say there is a lot of contradictory information coming from the government on the subject. Some of the things unrelated to this were denied in years past but are now a matter of public record. I use a FBI website that allows acces to investigational documents once classified and there are thousands of pages of reports on cases they worked that they denied in the past as having done so.

Bigfoots (bigfeet) are real. They gather in open fields every Sunday to romp and play. A sub-species plays in enclosed fields (domes) and one group of late comers plays on Mondays. They keep it hidden by calling themselves the NFL.

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To all those that seem not to believe, I invite all of you to watch "Harry And The Hendersons" Then come back and post.

The real thing on film.

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Doesn't hasta call me Johnson

Do you believe in God? Have you seen him?

I believe in our creator.

I knew when I saw the other thread that it was going to be good for at least 100 replies. I didn't think it would be good for another thread as well. I have always found the subject interesting. I would not shoot it unless I had to. I think they exist and I have stated why in the other thread. I posted a video in the other thread about a man that had an encounter with one. I honestly believe the guy's story.

Would I tell anyone? Well let me tell you this little story. Back in 2003 I saw a black bear on the opening day of deer season. In our county back then It was a big deal. I told my wife. She accused me of seeing a cow as she had never seen a bear in the woods, only in a zoo. In any event she made fun of me until I got pissed off and stopped at the local DNR office. I went in and asked them if they had any reports of a bear in the area that I had seen it. The receptionist called someone and asked them. I would say it was the district biologist. They told her that yes one had been reported in the area where I saw it. I went home and told my wife. So needless to say that if I did see a Bigfoot I know what is in store for me. I would tell her and probably report it to the local DNR officer who is a high school classmate. And let the chips fall where they may.

As far as a gun. I hope I am carrying my Browning BAR in a 338 win mag when I see it.

I know they are hokey and misleading, but unless these shows fake evidence there is a temple in Nepal that has a yeti scalp locked up in a glass cabinet that they bring out for ceremonies. It has long reddish hair. The host wanted to touch it and they told him to go jump in the lake. He said he wanted the world to know and they said that they didn't care whether the world knew or believed or what, it was THEIR Yeti scalp and that's all that mattered. The rest of the world could believe what they want. Go Tibetan monks.

That's some decent evidence but I really think Bigfoot is about as real as the Bishopville, SC Lizard Man.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

What's hard for me to believe is that many people actually seem to
believe that Bigfoot exists. After all these years of reported sightings
why is there not one piece of credible scientific evidence to support
it's existance?

The 44 was to shoot the dog, not the gorilla.

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One could ask the same question about the big deity,eh?

Good point.

All I know is, there have been a lot of sightings (for hundreds of years) by people who never read a news paper, watched TV, or knew anyone else who had seen one.others who had seen one.

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with a smile.

This may help create the never-ending (thread) story.

If may be counterintuitive but human nature applauds ridicule, and only deplores it when directed at them, like grade school children making fun of handicapped children, or denying existence of the Mountain Gorilla, or the giant squid, or that the world is round, not flat and yes Gigantopithecus or wood ape, AKA, Bigfoot!

So the non-believers are actually most responsible for the lack of publishing the existing 'hard evidence' that they so dearly cling to as their sophistry for non-belief. The testimony of hundreds of thousands of credible witnesses would be a slam dunk to convict someone of murder. Yet it’s incredulous how non-believers just sweep aside thousands of sworn witness affidavits of bigfoot sightings by their fellow man like so much house dust! Again, human nature to be part of the majority seems to overrule all rational judgment. Who wants to be ridiculed even if it is by fools just because they are in the majority? Down thru history majority opinion has seldom equated to accuracy.

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S&WCA #819

Sasquatchs' cousin seen in Boston

http://www.weather.com/news/news/bos...ter-storm-juno

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Sure you did

I always thought "bear" threads were a euphemism for Bigfoot threads. Any good bear caliber would be good for Bigfoot. Zombies, on the other hand, are more about shot placement and ammunition conservation. Caliber isn't really a factor.

Be ready for anything, and you won't ever be surprised . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

In a trial fact based evidence is considered more important than an eye witness.

Why?

In times of stress, duress or sudden suprise one's mind is apt to fill in the blanks.

Before big foot it was haunts, ghosts or recently returned from the dead.
Does anyone remember going to a cemetary or abandoned farm houses that were 100% infected with ghosts? Do you remember how someone always saw a ghost?

I do not know for sure so my answer is maybe.

What I do know is they could make tons of money to allow camo makers to copy their stealth duds.

After thought I'm tired of zombies, big foot and aliens. I'm gonna start a thread on are ghosts real.

It is unlikely in the uber extreme.

For starters, evolution occurs out of necessity. The creature from which Bigfoot is believed to have evolved was a quadruped...got around on all fours.

Now consider the environment in which these sightings occur: mountainous, hilly terrain, heavily forested, etc. It would make no sense whatsoever for a creature like that to evolve from a quadruped to a biped in that environment. It would be a handicap, in fact.

Also consider that this creature, if it exists, manages to maintain a breeding population, yet curiously has no effect on the food chain whatsoever??? Just not very likely at all.

Also think about discoveries of new species. New species are discovered all the time. They're almost always small, though. Think about it: when was the last time you heard of a new species of creature that physically large being newly discovered?

We don't know how it impacts the food chain. And as for a large animal being discovered, 1912? Okapi? I'd have to check, but that rings a bell.

Also, both chimps and gorillas were relatively recent discoveries for Europeans.

The coelacanth fish is big, but thought to be long extinct until new examples were found off of Africa about 1938.

After 5 1/2 years do you think Big Foot has a family now?

Are the children called Little Foot?

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1912? 1938? Okay, but consider how much smaller the world has gotten since then, figuratively of course, with modern travel and instantaneous communication.

Somewhere, some how by now one of these creatures would have been identified, captured or killed. I just can't for the life of me believe that something of that nature could possibly go undetected today.

Possible? Maybe. I am still thinking extremely unlikely, though.

The deal breaker for me is pondering how something like that would have evolved the way that it did. Like going from quad to bipedal movement. That just doesn't make any sense for it to have evolved that way given the environment it is believed to live in.

Dunno....

Nope it's "Little Feet". Plural.

I heard they had a band.

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