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Old 08-06-2009, 11:34 AM
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Default Government access to your checking account and financial records in Obamacare

I have learned and verified recently that in the House health care bill (Obamacare), there is a provision that would allow government access to all Americans' checking accounts and financial records, this in addition to unfettered government access to all your medical records, past, present and future. Supposedly, this would be so that the government could deduct payments from your checking account. But what if you DON'T elect to have government-run health care? Why on earth would the government need to poke its nose into our personal financial information?

Here are the provisions in the bill, and notations as to their location in the bill if you wish to read them for yourself:

Pg 58HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individual finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accts for electronic funds transfer.

OK, now I'm really pissed. We are supposed to be a free citizenry. We are also supposed to have some right to privacy. Where will this big-brotherism stop, and will the American public demand that it be stopped? This is socialism/Marxism at its WORST!

What are your thoughts on this proposed intrusion into our personal information? Do most Americans even care? Are we people or sheeple?
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:43 AM
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Actually, I think the document refers to electronic transactions and EFTs which people use to pay their bills all the time nowadays.

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

The rest of the bill is scary enough.
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I belive the goverment always could get your account records in the past to start with. When a bank 1099s your intrest statements to the tax board that should give them a good idea of what you have.
I am far from rich. Yet, I can symphithise with the rich. It just is not fair for the 5% rich to pay 95% of all taxs collected, even if it does let me off the hook. Why would a already rich person want to take on another risky business when at the most it might net them something like 20 % of the profit even if its lucky enough to survive? Takes away the incentive to start business`s that would provide jobs. I belive in some type of fair tax system. Also, just where is it in the constitution that the goverment "owes" anyone health care to start with? I belive in survival of the fitess! The dirty gene pool needs cleaning up by letting the ones who work and has brains enough to put away for their own old age and health care insurance.
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Old 08-06-2009, 12:18 PM
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To be honest, I have nothing to hide...I only wish they would be more intrusive with "fake S.S. #'s"; fake driver's licenses, fake passports, no-vehicle insurance, accessing free medical care, food stamps, state-aide cash, etc.
This country will go broke financing the "Mexicanization of America"!!!
Am I racist? No; just telling it like it is to a complacent Congress & public. Pat Buchanan has written extensively in this area; his predictions are so true....
To the OP, no, it doesn't bother me in the slightest....
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ANY TIME you allow people to access your account electronically you allow them free and unfettered access. If you pay direct through your account to the power compnay or the gas compnay or whatever they have access to your account.

If you recieve your pay check or your SSA check, or your VA check or any other goverment account INCLUDING IRS direct they have access to you account.

I make every agency that pays me to pay via hard copy check.
I don't even wear a tin foil hat. I just like my privacy. I'm absolutely amazed that people have mbraced all this electronic stuff so fully and essentually given up their lives to the world.

I have a bank account for one reason and one reason only, when me wife retired from the telephone compnay one of the benifits she got was free telephone service for life. Two lines with anything and everything that can be put on then and that includes long distance in and now out of state. The fly in the ointment is you MUST have a bank account so they can subtract the $2, 911 surcharge that is not covered. I actually paid a full phone bill for three years rather than elect this option.
However after the company went back on every other retirement promise including retiremnet itself, life time health care and many many more I felt obligated to get the one benifit still available to us. Due to the nature of the account I don't keep much in it. I recently changed all the numbers and made them all non published and call blocked. That's because even though we are on the Do Not Call list, we had the old numbers long enough they were OUT THERE. I didn't think about changing the number would change the bill date. The old one was the 3rd of the month. The new one is the 28th. You guess ed it. Just recently paid the bank $35 to pay the $2 phone bill.

A while back I put some money in and paid the car insurance with the direct withdrawal option. My bad. A week later I get a notice from the bank that I'm $695 overdrawn!!!!???? I call the bank and then the insurance company, Gieco. They "asumed" I would want to pay the house insurance coming due so as they had authorization to access the account, they just did!!!! We are stilling fighting over them paying the fees the bank charged me.

When I worked at treasury we routinel used the information from direct deposit information of any federal or state check to find your account/accounts and take any monies found to satify tax odligations, without notice.

A few years ago SSA overpaid about 2 million people "due toa computer error". They went back in an dithdrew the overpaid ammount from all direct deposit accounts that they had access to. They overdrewand caused bouncced checks for over 1 million people and not only did not pay the fees but even refused to appologize.

I sent the telephone company $200. I now have a $198 credit on my account balance. I had to talk to a supervisor to have her check the "Do Not Issue A Refund" box, which happens anytime you have a credit balance for over 90 days. That way the bill/withdrawl bill never actually be sent to the bank. There was absolutely no way to remove the account info as it's a required element for service.

Nope, none of this is new and none of it should come a surprise to anybody.
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Wickahoney -

I hear you loud and clear. And the message is essentially that if someone has access to your checking account, they can do pretty much whatever they want to with it. Since Obama is championing redistribution of wealth, you can only guess what massive access to everyone's accounts will lead to. Makes you want to stuff your money in a mattress, doesn't it? Color me incensed.
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I have the last laugh on them.

I already beat them to the money in my checking account!

Bwahahahaha!
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