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Proposed Healthcare - Short Version Summary
Let me get this straight.
We're going to get a health care plan shoved down our throats that is written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
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08-20-2009, 04:13 PM
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I promptly stole this one!
THANKS!
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great.....NOW I understand!!!
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I'm dead set against Govt. run health care. I've written both Senators & one Congressman about my opposition to this. No reply yet. Emails they just delete so use snail mail. USPS is another example of Govt. ineptitude. It's going broke whereas UPS & others are doing fine. They are privately owned & operated. Attended a town meeting last week with our Congressman [ Defasio, D. Oregon] He got an ear full. But danced around the medical question long enough to get back on track. Am heading to the Post Office to mail more letters to these fools. No wonder our country is in such turmoil with these idiots running things. I pray America wakes up soon.
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Sounds like something that moonbat Rush Limbaugh (drug addled mind) might have said.
I actually think that all the comments, discussions and arguments are exactly what needs to happen. It seems that everyone agrees that something needs to be done. Folks this ain't gonna happen overnight. Pharma, Insurance execs and the medical lobby is going to be into this up to their necks.
Thank god we at least have a smart president to steer this ship. Let's all hope he's astute enough to dodge the mines that the nay sayers keep throwing out there.
Imagine the quagmire we'd be in if Dingbat and Geezer were at the helm.
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Yup!
We're truly fortunate to be in such steady talented hands!
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08-20-2009, 05:24 PM
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Thank god we at least have a smart president to steer this ship. Let's all hope he's astute enough to dodge the mines that the nay sayers keep throwing out there.
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I will cordially disagree with you................I hope he keeps hitting the mines before he screws up the country. Socialism and freedom are not compatible!!!!!!!!!!!
Don
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walkinghorse, that sums it up perfectly. I think I will stop at that.
Afriqueart, That almost made me spit water on my monitor. Very funny! You are kidding right?
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Originally Posted by afriqueart
Sounds like something that moonbat Rush Limbaugh (drug addled mind) might have said.
I actually think that all the comments, discussions and arguments are exactly what needs to happen. It seems that everyone agrees that something needs to be done. Folks this ain't gonna happen overnight. Pharma, Insurance execs and the medical lobby is going to be into this up to their necks.
Thank god we at least have a smart president to steer this ship. Let's all hope he's astute enough to dodge the mines that the nay sayers keep throwing out there.
Imagine the quagmire we'd be in if Dingbat and Geezer were at the helm.
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I'm pretty sure he's just pulling our legs.
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I wouldnt be too sure about that. Long term exposure to Kool Aid does strange things.
Here's the WSJ on Obama vs Obama on healthcare. Funny reading, except it isn't a comedy routine.
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Over the past week, President Obama has held three town-halls to make the case for his health-care plan. While he didn't say much that he hasn't said a thousand times before, his remarks did offer another explanation for the public's skepticism of ObamaCare. Namely, the President contradicts himself every other breath. Consider:
He likes to start off explaining our catastrophe of a health system. "What is truly scary—what is truly risky—is if we do nothing," he said in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. We can't "keep the system the way it is right now," he continued, while his critics are "people who want to keep things the way they are."
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However, his supporters also want to keep things the way they are. "I keep on saying this but somehow folks aren't listening," Mr. Obama proclaimed in Grand Junction, Colorado. "If you like your health-care plan, you keep your health-care plan. Nobody is going to force you to leave your health-care plan. If you like your doctor, you keep seeing your doctor. I don't want government bureaucrats meddling in your health care."
Mr. Obama couldn't be more opposed to "some government takeover," as he put it in Belgrade, Montana. In New Hampshire, he added that people were wrong to worry "that somehow some government bureaucrat out there will be saying, well, you can't have this test or you can't have this procedure because some bean-counter decides that this is not a good way to use our health-care dollars."
So no bureaucrats, no bean-counters. Mr. Obama merely wants to create "a panel of experts, health experts, doctors, who can provide guidelines to doctors and patients about what procedures work best in what situations, and find ways to reduce, for example, the number of tests that people take" (New Hampshire, again). Oh, and your health-care plan? You can keep it, as long your insurance company or employer can meet all the new regulations Mr. Obama favors. His choice of verbs, in Montana, provides a clue about what that will mean: "will be prohibited," "will no longer be able," "we'll require" . . .
Maybe you're starting to fret about all those bureaucrats and bean-counters again. You shouldn't, according to Mr. Obama. "The only thing I would point is, is that Medicare is a government program that works really well for our seniors," he noted in Colorado. After all, as he said in New Hampshire, "If we're able to get something right like Medicare, then there should be a little more confidence that maybe the government can have a role—not the dominant role, but a role—in making sure the people are treated fairly when it comes to insurance."
The government didn't get Medicare right, though: Just ask the President. The entitlement is "going broke" (Colorado) and "unsustainable" and "running out of money" (New Hampshire). And it's "in deep trouble if we don't do something, because as you said, money doesn't grow on trees" (Montana).
So the health-care status quo needs top-to-bottom reform, except for the parts that "you" happen to like. Government won't interfere with patients and their physicians, considering that the new panel of experts who will make decisions intended to reduce tests and treatments doesn't count as government. But Medicare shows that government involvement isn't so bad, aside from the fact that spending is out of control—and that program needs top-to-bottom reform too.
Voters aren't stupid. The true reason ObamaCare is in trouble isn't because "folks aren't listening," but because they are.
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I thought it was a truly special moment when he pointed out that the Postal Service is government run and it hasn't forced UPS and FedEx out of business. Of course he failed to point out that there are laws on the books that prohibit any other company from competing with the post office. I wonder what would happen if UPS started delivering snail mail?
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I was a Director of Patient Financial Services (Billing & Collections) for a 325 bed hospital for 35 years. The new proposed plan would pay Medicare plus 5% for all patients. Now Medicare rates are 30% below "COSTS" and that is why Healthcare is as high as it is now as all other payors must make up the difference. Now if all payors pay 30% below "COST", just how long do you think the healthcare industry will be in business?
If you want this plan, be prepared to go to a foreign country for your healthcare, as that's where all the providers will move to.
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AH well, what do you know? You must be one of those greedy health care providers. We KNOW the gov't will do the right thing. After all, they run Medicare, right? Oh yeah. Medicare is bankrupt.
Well, never mind.
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You have to feel sorry for the poor Canadians, they didn’t vote for any of these jerks and they are going to have to live with the results.
Where will they go for medical care for anything beyond a hang-nail?
.........................Seems sort of unfair to me.
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Our president said that he does not believe in tort reform. as far as I'm concerned, that spells the end for any significant improvement in the health care field.
Which leads me to wonder, will the trial lawyers have a field day with single payer? (The deepest of deep pockets!) Or will POTUS see the light?
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I was a Director of Patient Financial Services (Billing & Collections) for a 325 bed hospital for 35 years. The new proposed plan would pay Medicare plus 5% for all patients. Now Medicare rates are 30% below "COSTS" and that is why Healthcare is as high as it is now as all other payors must make up the difference. Now if all payors pay 30% below "COST", just how long do you think the healthcare industry will be in business?
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It is as plain as the nose on your face. With everyone covered, they will make up for the losses by the increase in volume.
If you don't believe me just ask that actor that is on TV every night playing the POTUS.
As a side note (and a serious question) obamacare will be mandatory. We have 10 to 17% unemployment now (depending if you are using real numbers or the cooked numbers from the ruling party), just who is going to pay the premiums for those unemployed folks? Blood from a turnip comes to mind.
Me thinks your industry will long for the days when you were ONLY 30% below cost.
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