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Old 10-29-2009, 07:15 PM
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What is the legal process in suppressing a .22 rifle ? What are the costs and the timelines?

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To the best of my knowledge, the process goes something like this -
Apply to the BATFE, including $200. Order your can, for a .22 they're in the neighborhood of $200-$500. While you're waiting a couple of months for the tax stamp to come through you can have your barrel cut and threaded. When you get the OK from the guvment you pick up your suppressor, screw it on, and go have fun. Quietly.

Or you shoot subsonic ammo, like I do. It is more accurate than the high speed stuff and can barely be heard out of my Savage MKII BV, especially since I had it recrowned with a very deep recess in the end of the barrel. It's something a local gunsmith here does and it works just like he says it will to direct the muzzle blast down range so it's quieter from the shooter's perspective. When I fire it, all I hear is the hammer fall and a little noise down range. Plus it only cost $90.
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Just to add to WC's reply, you may also have to have a local head LEO sign off that you are an upstanding member of your community.

You need to also check your state laws and suppressors are prohibited in some states, or ownership is by license only (Class 3)
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Need a class 3 license here in Florida I believe. People form a corporation to avoid a lot of legal stuff. Pretty expensive but then you can shoot machine guns also
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hey giz......... check this place out.. Silencer Research
they helped a lot when i went to buy my first one.....
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Find a class III dealer, they will have to file paperwork for the transfer to them, they will have to fill out paperwork with the S/N etc and then should supply you with a Form 4 package, part of which you will have to take to your Chief Law Enforcment Officer of the County you live in for his approval/signature. You should have a card attached to the package and will have to take that to a certified individual to have your fingerprints taken and then have a passport type photo taken,
Attach the above, In duplicate and send it off the BATFE, and wait, and wait, then wait some more. Provided you are not a felon, or have some skeleton in your closet, it should come back approved. I've heard of people getting thiers in 90 days, it took me 6 months for my first.
After that, it is yours.
The good thing about suppressors is that they can be moved from weapon to weapon (caliber specific of course) with no problem. Unlike a registered SBR, that S/N'd lower HAS to stay with the SBR upper, or barrel and can not be swapped from weapon to weapon, the upper, or barrelled action is married to the S/N of the lower, which then in turn are married to you.
When you get the approved Form1 back, make many copies, have some reduced by 50%, and have some of those laminated. Whenever you take the licensed weapon out to shoot, or transport it, make sure you have a copy or two with it. No garuantee you may not get hassled over a copy and not the actual license, but it is something in case you run into a hard headed LEO. Keep the original locked away and protect it like a passport or other vital papers.
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1-Ruger 10/22 =$249.00
2-Supressor =$249.00
3-license/stamp=$200.00
4-Machine barrel =!00.00



Total $798.00 I've bought more expensive toys before.

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Kinda expensive. What is the benefit?
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Shhhhhhh......it's quite !!

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Check your state laws?
Out here (Wa.) if IIRC you CAN have a full auto, but you CAN'T have a suppressor? Damnedest crazy quilt of state/federal laws a human can imagine, in most places! Everywhere it seems is different. Just like the CCW laws. I toyed with the idea of a full auto. Then an AOW shotgun. But after sage advice here, hung up the idea.
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Thanks guys,

I was at a Class III dealers yesterday and we were shooting asuppressed Model 700 Remington .308. With his reloads you would swear it was as quiet as a Daisy BB gun. The bullets hitting the berm 100 yards away made more noise. Pretty amazing.

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I am waiting for mine to be aproved, how long does it take the BATF&E to finish their.............. whatever it is they do?

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I was at a Class III dealers yesterday and we were shooting asuppressed Model 700 Remington .308. With his reloads you would swear it was as quiet as a Daisy BB gun. The bullets hitting the berm 100 yards away made more noise. Pretty amazing.

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That's what it's like shooting the Savage I showed earlier on, except without the cost of the suppressor and the tax stamp, plus no government hoops to jump through.
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Just a thought if this is an altertantive to a suppressor. J&G Sales is offering "quiet" .22lr ammo. Is there really a difference in noise levels?
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You've got it backwards. Here in WA you CAN'T have a full auto, but you can have a suppressor. You just can't put it on a gun. (How's that for logic?)

WC,
Your rebated barrel probably works well to suppress sound to the shooter, but I doubt that it does much for anybody off to the side or downrange. I seem to see that a lot of the folks that want a suppressor use the argument that they want to protect their hearing, but suspect they also want to keep the neighbors from complaining.
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Yeah, a big difference but with some, like the Aguila Colibri and Super Colibri, the bullets are propelled by almost no powder or just the primer. The bullets are so slow you run the risk of them getting lodged in a rifle barrel. Subsonic ammo is still very quiet out of a rifle but has a muzzle velocity in the 1050fps range instead of 400fps like the Colibri. Also, subsonic is generally very accurate and holds it's velocity better than high speed ammo because it doesn't go through the turbulence of breaking the sound barrier on acceleration and then again when it drops below supersonic speed as it slows down range.
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Your rebated barrel probably works well to suppress sound to the shooter, but I doubt that it does much for anybody off to the side or downrange. I seem to see that a lot of the folks that want a suppressor use the argument that they want to protect their hearing, but suspect they also want to keep the neighbors from complaining.
That's true, but with subsonic ammo it is amazingly quiet from the business end as well, there's very little muzzle blast with the 21" barrel and no supersonic "crack" from the projectile. Not as quiet as a suppressed rifle but definitely eliminates the need for hearing protection and it doesn't frighten animals. I can't tell that they even notice it, if they do they ignore it.
I was just offering the idea up as a less costly, very quiet, alternative to a suppressor.
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You've got it backwards. Here in WA you CAN'T have a full auto, but you can have a suppressor. You just can't put it on a gun. (How's that for logic?)
I thought it was you could own a suppressor and mount it on a gun, but you cannot shoot said gun with the suppressor on it (i.e. actually using the the suppressor)? Even better logic...
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That's true, but with subsonic ammo it is amazingly quiet from the business end as well, there's very little muzzle blast with the 21" barrel and no supersonic "crack" from the projectile. Not as quiet as a suppressed rifle but definitely eliminates the need for hearing protection and it doesn't frighten animals. I can't tell that they even notice it, if they do they ignore it.
I was just offering the idea up as a less costly, very quiet, alternative to a suppressor.
Does sub-sonic 22lr cycle in a semi or is it more of a revolver thing. Sorry if I'm hi-jacking.
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Sorry, should have said J&G advises this ammo for revolvers only.
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A long-barreled .22 rifle with subsonic rounds will be pretty quiet, and especially so if you use Colibri primer-powered-only rounds. CB longs are just the ticket for backyard pests where legal. I have several Winchester Model 69As with 25-inch barrels and a couple of Remington Nylon bolt actions with 24-inch barrels. Since normal .22 LR rounds reach max velocity in about 16 to 19 inches, these lower-powered cartridges are probably sucking out of the barrel and moving forward on momentum alone.
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Does sub-sonic 22lr cycle in a semi or is it more of a revolver thing. Sorry if I'm hi-jacking.
They're iffy in my Model 22A, I tried them once just to see if they'd work and the cycling was hit and miss. I buy them for my rifle, it's a bolt action so they work just fine.
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I am waiting for mine to be aproved, how long does it take the BATF&E to finish their.............. whatever it is they do?

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It depends on the workload at the NFA branch. Class 3 stuff is very popular these days and the NFA branch doesn't have a large staff.

My latest paperwork was received in Martinsburg WV on July 10, went pending on Aug. 20 and I am still waiting. Pending just means it was assigned to an examiner.
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Does sub-sonic 22lr cycle in a semi or is it more of a revolver thing. Sorry if I'm hi-jacking.
The Agila 60 grain .22lr cycles my 10-22 as reliably as anything else and groups amost as well as the rifle's favorite ammo - Winchester Hollow Point copper plated 40 grain loads.
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Sounds like you already know a local C3 and that is really the first step, he will know your local situation, if you can get the CLEO signature in your county or will need to look into incorporating, a trust, etc.

I have a number of .22 suppressors and by far my favorite for a .22 is an integral. Integrals are great, but you are restricted to only using it on one firearm and they are more expensive than a muzzle can. A muzzle can will give you the most bang for the buck, they aren't too much louder than an integral and you get the benefit of using one suppressor on multiple firearms. Most folks choose a muzzle can and a Gemtech Outback II will serve you well.
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The Agila 60 grain .22lr cycles my 10-22 as reliably as anything else and groups amost as well as the rifle's favorite ammo - Winchester Hollow Point copper plated 40 grain loads.
Any trouble with the 60gr rounds keyholing? It takes a pretty fast twist to stabilize those things.
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44forever, I have found the same with my 10/22's. For back yard work, I use the Aguila subsonics for semi firing and hand cycle cb's. Those heavy subs do have some knock down power.
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I own one of those CZ 452 2E's with 16 inch barrel that is set up from the factory for the Parker-Hale sound modulator. Wondering if you can import the actual modulator that the gun was designed to thread to the barrel?




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Mike,

We're fine with our guns, what we have to register are our suppressors. And bottom line is that we are paying a "tax" in the process. The suppressor, if built for caliber, can go from gun to gun....

I cannot believe that you haven't got one already....P'off some liberal lawmakers in your home state.

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We're fine with our guns, what we have to register are our suppressors. And bottom line is that we are paying a "tax" in the process. The suppressor, if built for caliber, can go from gun to gun....

I cannot believe that you haven't got one already....P'off some liberal lawmakers in your home state.

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Tough call, they are both the epitome of pieces of ****, if they were both drowning and I was only able to save one, I think I'd take a nap.
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You can always pull a Steven Segal & use a pop bottle & a little duck tape, & sub sonic 22LR ammo it works great shhhhhhhhh
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Any trouble with the 60gr rounds keyholing? It takes a pretty fast twist to stabilize those things.
No problems with the 10/22 or the Ruger Mk II but they do keyhole from a model 37 snub and a model 21 Beretta - don't know if its the barrel length or the twist rate.
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No problems with the 10/22 or the Ruger Mk II but they do keyhole from a model 37 snub and a model 21 Beretta - don't know if its the barrel length or the twist rate.
I'm surprised, they won't stabilize in any of my guns.
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"especially since I had it recrowned with a very deep recess in the end of the barrel. It's something a local gunsmith here does and it works just like he says it will to direct the muzzle blast down range so it's quieter from the shooter's perspective. When I fire it, all I hear is the hammer fall and a little noise down range. Plus it only cost $90"

WC145, I like that crown recess. I'm curious, how much that helps, to the point where I'd like to see the box of truth guy(s) do a test w/decimal meter. I like CB rounds for really quiet plinking and my rifle favorite is the 27 grain short hp. My old Remington Speedmaster cycles them just fine.

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The CB muzzle of 32'lb is the same reading as the target's 100yd energy/'lb. The target's muzzle of 44'lb is almost identical to the HP's 100yd energy of 45'lbs.

Naturally, if I limit my range to 60-70 yds the trajectory will flatten considerably.

I have never tried the short target, but I think they might cycle my old rifle. I intend to buy some. I'll always have some short hp on hand, yet I'm thinking the short target might very well be the best pistol/rifle plinking round for short range and mild report.

My apologies for the mild hijack...
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I'm wondering just what the legal threshold that makes something a silencer or suppressor. I see fake ones for some guns. What if something just makes your gun a little quieter, say like a muffler, making a .45 sound like a firecracker. Where would the line be drawn? (I know, anywhere the BATF wants it to be!)
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Seems two threads going at once, but here goes;
Standard Velocity 22lr is sub-sonic. It’s 1020-1080 fps from a 17” barrel, dependent upon who makes it.

The 60gr stuff keyholes badly from everything I have. Accuracy at even 10yds is P Poor. It’s said that you need a barrel with a different twist to stabilize the long bullet.
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Wow, can't believe y'all are "registering" your guns. What is this world coming to?
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Seems two threads going at once, but here goes;
Standard Velocity 22lr is sub-sonic. It’s 1020-1080 fps from a 17” barrel, dependent upon who makes it.

The 60gr stuff keyholes badly from everything I have. Accuracy at even 10yds is P Poor. It’s said that you need a barrel with a different twist to stabilize the long bullet.
There are fast twist barrels available for the 10/22. These are intended for the 60gr SSS ammo.

Also, a suppressor made for the AR-15 will also work for a 22 rifle if it is threaded for it. Nice to quiet a 223 down every now and then.
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Here in the commie state of Illinois.......It would take at least $10000
and both kidneys and still you couldn't use one....Illinois lawmakers think Guns are bad nomatter what only outlaws own guns and all they are good for is killin people....just a few more years and then RETIREMENT ....to Indiana !!!
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I'm wondering just what the legal threshold that makes something a silencer or suppressor. I see fake ones for some guns. What if something just makes your gun a little quieter, say like a muffler, making a .45 sound like a firecracker. Where would the line be drawn? (I know, anywhere the BATF wants it to be!)
One decibel reduction is classified as NFA by the batf
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