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Took Delivery of a 1947 K-22 Today
If I don't find a way to deal with this K-22 situation, I am going to need an intervention. I think my acquisitions are starting to drift into obsession.
Only a few months ago I learned that the earliest postwar K-22s used the large-knob ejector rods familiar from prewar models. Once I knew that, I knew I would have to add one to my stable because I really like the prewar features. One showed up in the WTS ads a week ago, I jumped on it.
Today I picked it up from my importing FFL. I am delighted now that I see it in reality. The S/N is a lowish K4267 (matching numbers everywhere), and Roy Jinks tells me it was shipped in September of 1947. Narrow-rib barrel, of course. Finish is about 98 percent, with slight muzzle wear and very light speckling on the upper backstrap. Everything else is beautiful, and I am particularly pleased at the very light turn ring. The action is sweet. No end shake, no rotational play to speak of, crisp single action, smooth double action, no push-off. Shiny chambers and bore. This gun cannot have been shot much, and it was certainly well cared for in the last 62 years.
I swear I did not see all that dust and the cat hairs until I got the photos on my computer screen. If I had any of my own hair left, I would tear it out in exasperation. I think I am going to have to build a clean room and turn it into a photography studio.
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Very nice David. Can I have that one;-)
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Don't be so hard on yourself,It's a beauty.
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Uber nice! Dont worry there's more out there!
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Congratulations, David. That's a beautiful and uncommon gun. Great pictures, too! Will you be shooting it?
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It is very nice! I just purchased one made a few months prior to yours, in almost as good condition. I have wanted an early post war .22 K frame for a while but was really interested in a 4 inch aka Combat Masterpiece. I saw the 6 inch revolver in the counter at my local pusher and I swear it had my name written on it in ink only I can see, just had to have it and I could not help myself. Enjoy that S&W!
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Congratulations, David. That's a beautiful and uncommon gun. Great pictures, too! Will you be shooting it?
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Thanks, Jerry. I'll shoot it a few times, but I have a couple of other K-22s that are my designated shooters -- one from 1948 and another from 1953. I think this one is destined to be one of my "look-at" guns.
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It is very nice! I just purchased one made a few months prior to yours, in almost as good condition. I have wanted an early post war .22 K frame for a while but was really interested in a 4 inch aka Combat Masterpiece. I saw the 6 inch revolver in the counter at my local pusher and I swear it had my name written on it in ink only I can see, just had to have it and I could not help myself. Enjoy that S&W!
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I am very familiar with that "can't help myself" feeling. I checked under the sofa cushions and turned in the mason jars full of pennies in order to get this one. This is transparently addictive behavior. I need to get a grip!
I want a CM too. But if options like this one keep standing up and slapping me in the face, it may be a while before I get one.
Congratulations on yours. Do you consider it a shooter? Please post photos if you have them.
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Very nice gun. I shipped 9/28/47 and also have a little freckling on the back.
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Hello David
Congratulations are certainly in order here, what a Nice example. I came across my 1947 Model that shipped in November 1947 with a serial a little earlier than yours. It came with it's original serial numbered Magnas that I have put up and replaced with the larger style Target grips as shown. These are a very neat revolver with the Pre-War extractors. Did the box and acessories come with yours ? I had to add them to mine but now have all that would have come with it as shown. Regards, Hammerdown
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Very very Nice!
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David, very nice! I really like the early ones!
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David, that is one nice K-22.
Sebago Son, I'm drooling on my keyboard.
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I have a 1947 too, K1047X!
This vintage revolver is another that locks up tight and shoots like poison, does not have the old style ejector rod though.
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Beautiful gun! Top nitch photograhy. Enjoy that 22.
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Some fine guns!
Sebago Son, nice holster too, I want one in 4" for my (not yet arrived) Model 18-2!
Been on this site too much this winter
after I could not find a Model 63, I found a nice Model 34, from around 1960-61, that sparked my interest in the older models.
It made me decide to go for the older Model Smith & Wessons!
I have traded my well-shooting-but-too-heavy-for-my-(tennis)-arm 6-shot No-dash Model 617 6-incher for an old Model 18-2.
Now on the look-out for a K22 CM, and a... and a...
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Did the box and acessories come with yours? I had to add them to mine but now have all that would have come with it as shown. Regards, Hammerdown
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Thanks, Hammerdown. Gun only, no accessories. I do have a proper black oxide screwdriver that I could put with this gun, but eventually I will go looking for the other tools, box and docs.
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To Sebago Son
Can you send me the full serial number of that gun for my data base? Looks like one or two digits are missing.
Seriously, aren't you concerned that there may be undetected design flaws in the earliest production units of a model run? You're taking a big chance with that one!
Seriously for real: nice pics, nice subjects. I can distinguish the CM, but do you have one, two, or three of its bigger brothers? I assume that is factory cosmoline, or whatever they used. Did you clean that one up, or is it still stuck in the 1940s?
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Beautiful .22s everyone!
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As I was born in Nov. 1947... you guys are killing me. I really NEED one of those.
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I am very familiar with that "can't help myself" feeling. I checked under the sofa cushions and turned in the mason jars full of pennies in order to get this one. This is transparently addictive behavior. I need to get a grip!
I want a CM too. But if options like this one keep standing up and slapping me in the face, it may be a while before I get one.
Congratulations on yours. Do you consider it a shooter? Please post photos if you have them.
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No photos yet, the revolver is still hostage at the gunshop on layaway.
You got it bad when they start offering your own personal layaway plan at the local gunshop, but without such hospitality I would not be able to buy such things as often.
I will likely shoot it some as it is not mint and there is no box, but it is in really nice condition and unmolested. The grips are diamond magnas but the gentleman behind the counter told me they were not original to the gun.
Check back in about 6 weeks for photos.
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Sebago Son,
Beautiful K22s! Is that the original packing grease on the one? When was the last time it saw the light of day? .... or just how deep is your safe?
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Nice 22s! Does anyone have a photo of the pre-war extractors mentioned?
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Nice 22s! Does anyone have a photo of the pre-war extractors mentioned?
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Hello Ed
Here ya go. The Left gun Pictured is a 1947 Post-War K-22 and the Right side gun is a 1936 Pre-War K-22 Outdoorsman showing their extractors, Notice the Pre-War Outdoorsman has a slightly more round extractor head
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That's another beautiful K22 David! The only problem I see with your obsession is that you're cutting into the available guns I need to feed MY obsession!
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The four digit serial numbered Pre Model 17 K-22 is a sight to see and a beauty to hold. The three digit is the first I believe I remember seeing. Awesome pieces of history.
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David, nice gun and pictures. I do not know when mine shipped as I haven't gotten a letter on it. but it is K1174 I believe, without getting it out of the safe. Like yours, she is really in good condition with the original grips. I do have one close to yours, a K38 serial # K4562. Bought it at a gun show. Had the original box. Cleaned up to the condition of yours. VM has hit me hard on that one. It has a numerical attachment to him. I have other K22's that I shoot but every once in a while I take the ole girl for a stroll. Enjoy.
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Hey Drew, never forget I hate you!!!!!!!!
Its just not right you own that one.
I've spent the last 5 years ransacking chicken coops, but to no avail.
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Hammerdown-Thank you! I got mixed up and didn't realize they were talking about the extractor heads! Thanks for the pictures.
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Yours and all the rest are some great looking K-22's does yours have a polished finish it looks more glossy than the others posted?
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Troy, not sure which gun you are talking about. Hammerdown's gun looks pretty glossy to me, but mine (the thread starter) is the standard post-war satin blue. Any "glossiness" you see there is just a trick of the lighting.
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Thanks I did mean Hammerdown's
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Hammerdown-Thank you! I got mixed up and didn't realize they were talking about the extractor heads! Thanks for the pictures.
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Hello Ed
No problem. Glad I was able to help. There is some very slight differences between them as you can see, but I Guess S&W wasted nothing along the way that could be used..Hammerdown
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Manufacturing began at K101 in very late 1946. Sebago Son's K117 is the lowest number I know from recent documentation.
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In case anyone here is keeping a data base on this model, I have K22 # K2376. It shipped July 23rd, 1947. Sometime I'll get energetic and take some pictures of it. It does have the large end on the extractor rod.
I agree that Drew's is the earliest one I have ever seen, and it's about a mint as any K22 I have ever seen.
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David:
Nice, nice K-22. I have K 4244, also shipped September 1947 and with same extractor head/barrel notch and numbered grips as yours. One line address. About 99%. No box, etc.
I have quit shooting mine and now shoot a 5-screw pre-18, which is still very nice mechanically, but with worn grips and finish. I call it my "tractor gun" as I holster carry it when I am bush hogging or woods walking.
All K-22's are great; an early one is a joy to own.
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Photos By Michael Stern....
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David,
I wish I could lay claim to this photography, but in fact, these wonderful shots were taken by my pal Michael Stern.
Do you know Michael?
He's one of the Forum Original "OG"'s from back in 2000, and the original researcher and the first to publish data concerning ROPER Stocks. It was his digging that located the references to Mathias Gagne, the clock maker who did Roper's wood working.
Michael's work has been much copied since.
Any way it was Michael that took these photos, but the guns, still in the grease, live in my vault.
The 1940's "Pistol Pocket" is from LL Bean.
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In case anyone here is keeping a data base on this model, I have K22 # K2376. It shipped July 23rd, 1947. Sometime I'll get energetic and take some pictures of it. It does have the large end on the extractor rod.
I agree that Drew's is the earliest one I have ever seen, and it's about a mint as any K22 I have ever seen.
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Hey Old Amigo!
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In case anyone here is keeping a data base on this model, I have K22 # K2376. It shipped July 23rd, 1947. Sometime I'll get energetic and take some pictures of it. It does have the large end on the extractor rod.
I agree that Drew's is the earliest one I have ever seen, and it's about a mint as any K22 I have ever seen.
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Have a bowl of wheaties and get out your camera! I'd love to see it.
I understand that K105 has been located ... it's about 28.5 miles north by north west of Ashtabula, Ohio... at the 60 fathom curve.
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There seems to be a dedicated group of early number seekers. One of our occasional posters here, Blake, had K141 I believe, but let it go to some one who couldn't possibly appreciate it. At a National Gun Day show a couple of years ago a guy had K137, but wouldn't sell it. A guy and his son walking a gun show in Lexington, KY a few years ago had K188. I tried to call him dozens of times, but he never answered. About a year later he came past our tables. I asked him about it. He sold it. When I asked why he never answered the phone, he replied he didn't recognize my phone number. It didn't matter much, whoever it was he sold it to paid over a grand for it!
I still have K155 and K166. The higher number gun is in great condition. The lower number gun has a *, and its my shooter. I bought both of them the same day at a gun show. I bought K166 in its box and was walking the show. A guy (a former poster and SWCA member) asked what I'd bought. He wanted to see it, so I handed it to him. He asked if I wanted another, earlier gun. It was K155, and he was even cheaper! He gave me a discount for the wear and tear!
K166 came with a box and a 2nd box with grips in it. They were ugly rubbers called Mearshon grips. The receipt for the gun was long gone, but the grips had a receipt from the Michigan gun shop that sold them. When I lettered the gun, it lettered to that same gunshop. I have no idea why any one would stick goodyears on such a great gun. I also hadn't heard of that brand of rubber grips before. Guess I don't get out enough.
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Very nice guys. very nice.
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".... K166 came with a box and a 2nd box with grips in it. They were ugly rubbers called Mearshon grips..... I have no idea why any one would stick goodyears on such a great gun. I also hadn't heard of that brand of rubber grips before. Guess I don't get out enough."
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Mershon's? Dick you crack me up.
Maybe if you hang out around a few Chicken Coops you might get lucky!.... Or was it a Turkey Farm? ..... (No comments from Shugart PLEASE!)
Good to chat with you again.....
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Just a bit later than yours David...
K 5746
Happy to hear you like it.
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Just a bit later than yours David...
K 5746
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That one's nice too. Beautiful target stocks, and good case coloring on hammer and trigger; I think I see why you kept that one and let the other one go.
I am hoping to get to the range Monday or Tuesday. That will give me a chance to see if I can make tight groups with K4267. I also have a newly acquired Prewar Heavy Duty that needs to get some exercise and find its place in the rotation.
WIDE RANGING QUESTION: This may be pretty far downlist in a mature thread to get lots of answers, but what is the highest known serial number in a K-22 with a knobbed ejector rod? And going the other direction, what is the lowest known K-22 serial number associated with a straight, no-knob ejector rod?
Looks to me like like K5746 has the knob, though I can't quite pick confidence out of the light and shadow. I am kind of thinking that the factory ran out of knobbed ejector rods around 6000 or so, but can't be sure. The rods had no knobs by K14784 (January 1948), which is the next K-22 I have.
K-38 production in 1947 was limited, and K-32 production on the edge of non-existent, but would these guns have had the knobbed ejector rod as well?
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Well, I'm in San Bernardino county, I can come down there and take a few of them off your hands, I need a K22.
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I thought I'd throw in a picture of My Post War K22. I believe it also dates to 1947.
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
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Cherokee, that's a handsome revolver. Can you share at least the first part of the serial number so I can try to get a fix on the old-style/new-style ejector rod changeover?
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01-09-2010, 08:51 PM
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Sure, it'a 4 digit, K 7494, hope this helps
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