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Old 02-04-2010, 03:06 AM
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I own a M&P 15-22, but im always interested in seeing the new AR .22's. . . Tell me what you think.

YouTube - 2010 SHOT Show: Umarex .22lr HK416 D

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Old 02-04-2010, 03:07 AM
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If they have a similar design to the Umarex/Colt M4 then I'm not the least bit interested.
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:22 AM
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If they have a similar design to the Umarex/Colt M4 then I'm not the least bit interested.
I like the way it looks besides the butt-stock, they said its made by Walther in Germany. . .be interesting to see what it looks like on the inside. I wonder if its like the M&P (like an AR) or like the Umarex/colt.
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:55 AM
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I like the way it looks besides the butt-stock, they said its made by Walther in Germany. . .be interesting to see what it looks like on the inside. I wonder if its like the M&P (like an AR) or like the Umarex/colt.
I'm pretty sure it's going to have a similar charlie foxtrot of an action. (umarex = walther btw)
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:57 AM
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I didn't know that, its hard to keep up with it all. but yeah i just read Umarex is behind all of it.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:13 AM
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Umarex is the Importer into the United States, the Manufacturer is Walther AG.
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Old 02-04-2010, 08:21 AM
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Non functional bolt release FOR THE LOSE!! Sorry, just keepin it real man.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:09 PM
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it will be interesting to see how it cycles ammo, having the HK name on it and all. the way I see it, based on company reputation, i would expect an HK to be the most reliable of all (just about).. too bad walther is involved. well see what happens I guess. But.. I could see myself owning one. (assuming its NOT umarex based)
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:13 PM
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my mistake. I see now that it IS umarex..
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it will be interesting to see how it cycles ammo, having the HK name on it and all. the way I see it, based on company reputation, i would expect an HK to be the most reliable of all (just about).. too bad walther is involved. well see what happens I guess. But.. I could see myself owning one. (assuming its NOT umarex based)
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my mistake. I see now that it IS umarex..
This is a problem with the Colt M4 .22s. Umarex makes them and Colt slaps their name on the gun. Fail.
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Old 02-04-2010, 01:11 PM
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i'll tell you what, it's a great looking rifle, much better than the 15-22.

the issue i have is with it being all metal. they state that as a high point but the colt doesn't feel all that sturdy, not for $500 anyway. if we should have learned anything by now, polymer is damn tough stuff. it's kind of nice that the 15-22 is polymer so when i'm done hanging ornaments on it i can still lift it.
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i'll tell you what, it's a great looking rifle, much better than the 15-22.

the issue i have is with it being all metal. they state that as a high point but the colt doesn't feel all that sturdy, not for $500 anyway. if we should have learned anything by now, polymer is damn tough stuff. it's kind of nice that the 15-22 is polymer so when i'm done hanging ornaments on it i can still lift it.
I like it too, don't get me wrong I love my 15-22, but i think the "HK" looks good! I ike the magazine even though its only holds 20 rds. I never liked the Colt!
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Old 02-04-2010, 02:45 PM
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I do like that it has a dust cover.
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This is a problem with the Colt M4 .22s. Umarex makes them and Colt slaps their name on the gun. Fail.
I believe this qualifies for EPIC FAIL-of-the-month!
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:53 PM
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That looks great too, don't it? And it's all metal.. And it's an Airsoft gun..

That's essentially what the Walther/Umarex guns are, an air soft shell with a 22 action.. The Forward Assist is Fake and so is the Bolt Catch just like on an Airsoft gun.

I have no beef with plastic... Four of my cars were plastic and they went like stink lit on fire...

I want a gun with a functional bolt catch not a bolt catch for "decorations sake" if I want fake parts I will play with my Airsoft gun!

*you may notice the trigger and bolt catch is missing in that photo, but that doesn't change the point I am getting at.. those parts are removed because I was working on it*
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Old 02-04-2010, 06:53 PM
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This is a problem with the Colt M4 .22s. Umarex makes them and Colt slaps their name on the gun. Fail.
Walther manufacturer. Umarex Imports. Colt name.

One thing that is cool about the Walumalt is that the bolt speed is adjustable so all kinds of ammo will cycle. I have never shot one but I like the concept.
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Well I think if we could just keep our Ejectors in place we'd be ok

I'd love to see the Walther M4 bolt out of the gun and see a build spec and weight spec comparison.
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i like the dust cover and the stock. otherwise i bet this thing is $800 being all metal and from HK. my $399 15-22 is just fine for me.
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i like the dust cover and the stock. otherwise i bet this thing is $800 being all metal and from HK. my $399 15-22 is just fine for me.
they're selling for $500-$650 i believe. couldn't find out if they have AR guts or the goofy umarex guts.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:24 AM
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This is a problem with the Colt M4 .22s. Umarex makes them and Colt slaps their name on the gun. Fail.
Not exactly. More like Umarex licenses the name from colt. Colt has very little to do with the rifle (if anything). This is also the case for the HK clones that they are making.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:34 AM
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Walther manufacturer. Umarex Imports.
same difference. Umarex USA is part of Umarex Corporate Group which owns Walther.
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To me something just doesn't look right about it. I think it's the grip being to straight up and down. Like it should be kicked back more. I don't know just my thought. I just think the S&W looks better.
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Old 02-05-2010, 10:35 AM
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I think ( stock ) The hk looks better than the smith. Any range reports?
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I think ( stock ) The hk looks better than the smith. Any range reports?

No. I don't think its available until June. . .and MSRP is around $575 so it will probably sell for about the same price as the 15-22 (in the $400's).
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:51 PM
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i emailed umarex and asked if the new HK416 rimfire would use stock AR parts or the proprietary junk in the Colt rimfire and as expected, it'll be a ****** Colt with HK badging and a nonfunctional bolt release.

if smith can figure out the magazine issue (if that's what causing a lot of these problems) they have by far the best .22lr AR platform around.
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