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Another toy gun in school
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As one of the SRO/DARE officers I can't wait to get sent to this type of call so I can tell a principal that they are full of ****.
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Vancouver,Wa. had an incident on Tuesday where a child brought a rubber band gun to the school playground. The panic brought a SWAT team to secure the school and tied up the police who cleared the neighborhood.
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Insanity is right. Zero tolerance is ****.
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That was on MSNBC, they'd probably support jail time for the kid.
This morning the Des Moines Register (AKA Pravda, Iowa) reported a HOME schooled 6 year old kid who takes one class at a CHURCH under the auspices of the school system brought a loaded shotgun shell to school and was promptly suspended for bringing something "dangerous". It's on-line if you want to look.
If that doesn't amaze you, a few months ago there was an article about a student, I believe also in Iowa, who brought an EMPTY shotgun shell to school and was suspended. No details on whether SWAT wass called out.
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02-04-2010, 10:19 PM
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OMG! I was terrified just looking at the PICTURE of that little gun. Thank heavens he was promptly dealt with. By the way, is that one of those plastic guns that you can take right onto an airplane with you because the metal detector won't find it? You know, like a Glock loaded with cop-killer bullets?!
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This is obviously stupid. However, I don't think I will ever let my kids have toy guns. I don't want them to ever equate "gun" with "toy." Perhaps that sounds overly-serious.
As soon as they are able to hold a S&W 63 or Ruger Bearcat, they will be shooting 22s, but I just don't like the toy gun idea.
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02-04-2010, 10:44 PM
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Perhaps a bit of thread drift here - sorry. Near Portland today, a woman brought her new AK into her office to show a friend. Of course there was panic. You used to be able to do this sort of thing, but folks need to realize that others may have a different reaction.
There were no laws broken since it is an open carry state and the city has no restrictions.
CLACKAMAS, Ore. - A woman who brought a rifle to work to show a co-worker created quite a scene.
Police responded in force Thursday morning at 10155 S.E. Sunnyside Road after getting information that someone there had a gun.
Numerous units from the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office and from neighboring agencies responded. Police said the urgency of the call prompted the response.
But after about 20 minutes, they figured out what was really going on and that there was no actual threat of a possible shooter in the building.
Police then wrapped up the incident and all units returned to their districts.
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Yes, times are changing.
When I worked for a major corporation in Salt Lake City, about 1980 all of us in the office were shooters. I remember numerous times when we would bring guns to work for "show and tell".
One day the manager said "Charlie, come here, got something to show you". Went into his office and he showed me a new Beretta pocket pistol he had just acquired. Others in the office brought S&Ws, Colts, etc. Yes these were the "Golden Years."
I also remember taking a handgun to downtown SLC to take to a gunsmith. Carried it inside my brief case on a city bus. Also purchased a couple of handguns downtown during the noon hour and carried them home on the bus.
Later, I went back to being a school principal and remember one time I took some guns to school, to put in the safe, for safe keeping when I left town. No problem.
At the last school I was principal, I remember taking my Ruger Security Six to school, to put in my desk, because the town nut case was coming in to raise hell.
(Later this scumbag killed his wife. That's the kind of clown I was dealing with.)
Also at this school I had two students bring guns to school. One boy was in the third grade and brought a "suicide special" break action, cheap .22 to school. It wasn't loaded. He just had it out on the playground at recess. He got suspended for the remainder of the year.
Next case, a fifth grader had a cocked and locked, cheap, .380 auto in his jacket pocket. He had been showing kids how to move rounds through the action out on the playground. He got suspended for the remainder of the year and I never saw him again.
That principal that made the big deal out of the plastic action figure should have been publicly bitch slapped. That is off the chart.
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I miss the good old days...take your shotgun and shells to school and park it at the office. Pick it up before you get on the bus...which delivered you to the dove fields....shoot birds until somebody decided to come get you.
Long gone are these days.
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I always get a reaction like that when I show off my 2" gun.
You gotta be careful these days.
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Last I looked, there were kids that age, on every continent, carrying
real guns that they use for "real" wars, and "real" murders.
The idea that keeping toy guns away from kids, just makes it harder for our service men/women to be trained for real-life wars.
The idiots who pass legislation against toys, are trying to create
a country of pacifists who cannot protect themselves in the real world.
Sorry for the rant, but it's maddening to see this going on.
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Zero tolerance = zero sense.
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There was poll along side of the article on the Internet sight where I read this yesterday and 8% of the respondents thought the boy deserved to be disciplined.
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We talk, we complain, but nothing happens. Why don't we get a class action lawsuit started that would result in zero tolerance of stupid. I am not kidding, something along that line, let the legal eagles word it correctly. What say ye?
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I believe as we all do that its all BS in today's world there are too many cry babies who are scared to even look at a gun and over react when they hear or smell about one real or toy. I guess most people don't realize this country was founded on WARS & GUNS. It's sad how some TV shows have people that mention how their spouse will no longer allow a gun in the house as opposed to buying a $50. safe. I think people should be more educated on what guns are and not just about people that misuse them, but it might never happen while Hilary is next to OB.
I hope the kid doesn't get tried as an adult for the toy.
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It is obvious that is not a real gun.
I could see if it was one of the toys that really looked real, but that ine was less than 2". Silly
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The times,they are a-changin' and not for the better.
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I dont post much on the forum, not at all in the lounge so here is my first.
WHAT THE %%()(*)(*)%$#%$^^&!!!!!!!
I am a High School music teacher and we do marching band. IN the honor guard we have a fake rifle that "guards" the Amer. flag. It is a little bigger that the lego one, like its life sized. Wonder when I will be told I cant do a proper honor guard.
Zero tolerance is a way for School systems to make it look like they are keeping the kids safe. Cant wait to see the lawsuit from the parents.
What a load of ****.
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A while back I read that some school kids were disciplined for running around pointing their finger and pretending to shoot each other.
Can you remember?
"Bang Bang your dead"
"No Im not, you missed me"
I shot you when you came around Mr's Smith house.
I grew up in the 1940's and we would have gun fights and war battles all the time.
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What the bloody hell is this country coming to? My God this is outright stupidity at its finest. No matter who we have for elected officials, THIS is the **** that needs to be dealt with because these kids being taught by these morons are the real future of America.
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Ive been a pre-school/ 4k teacher for three years and you wouldnt believe how paranoid and crazy some parents are. I had to have a confrence with a parent because they were concerned that a child who wore cammo on a daily basis was a bad influence on their child because "We don't support violence." After that bout of crazy I had a meeting with my principal because some of the staff found my 30-06 shell casing keychain was out of line. Its something in the water, must take all your common sense away.
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Quote:
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Ive been a pre-school/ 4k teacher for three years and you wouldnt believe how paranoid and crazy some parents are. I had to have a confrence with a parent because they were concerned that a child who wore cammo on a daily basis was a bad influence on their child because "We don't support violence." After that bout of crazy I had a meeting with my principal because some of the staff found my 30-06 shell casing keychain was out of line. Its something in the water, must take all your common sense away.
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I noticed in the last few years that wearing camo has become chic with mostly women. If a male student is seen wearing it he might get beat up.
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You want to hear school zero tolerance lunacy?
About two years ago there was a film festival at Borough of Manhattan Community College and my precinct sent a few cops to work the crowd. One guy decided to go inside and use the restroom when he was stopped by the all star CUNY Public Safety officers. They said that he couldn't come inside the building and use the restroom because there is a no guns on campus policy. Keep in mind this an on duty, uniformed New York City Police Officer. He told them to go f*** themselves, walked past and went to the restroom. Then he told his supervisor about the incident and the bosses straightened the CUNY super cops out.
A few months ago these same geniuses tried to arrest an off-duty Correction Officer who was going to night school there. Apparently the bottom of his holster peaked out of his jacket and scared someone. We showed up and told them there is no arrest because he is legally carrying the gun because he is a friggin city Correction Officer. Apparently its ok for us to bring our guns inside their building when they catch a big bad armed prison guard.
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There are no end of reports like this --- a kid in a nearby elementary school system was suspended for doodling a cartoonish drawing of a handgun in a notebook. But to call the school administrators "idiots" and label them "irrational" is to miss the point. None of these people advance the argument that they are somehow protecting students by their "zero tolerance" policies. Nobody could keep a straight face while suggesting that a tiny toy posed any actual threat (other than maybe a choking hazard).
Rather, what these insidious policies are all about is advancing the hoplophobe agenda of the school admins and their allies. They aren't really worried about toys, they just don't want kids becoming acclimated to, familiar with, comfortable around, guns. They want to demonize guns. They want gun use and possession to be stigmatized, and marginalized. They want nothing but negative associations with guns. (Guns are bad because the only uses we acknowledge are criminal acts.) These people aren't irrational, they're using time-tested brainwashing techniques against children, their parents, and the general public. Keep repeating the Big Lie that guns are bad, gun people are bad, &tc., and eventually enough people will come to accept the lie that it becomes part of the social and political lexicon..
These people, should, figuratively speaking, be taken out and shot, by removal from their jobs and positions of authority.
See if you can get any traction for this concept at your next PTA meeting...
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