Has anyone ever suffered from this demon, I can't sleep, feelings of guilt, anxiety, and total worthlessness. I am on prozac and have not seen any positive results. Mornings are the worst time, I have a knot in my gut constantly, and the wife dosen't quite understand how this can be. They want you to snap out of it, but it dosen't work like that. I think most of it can relate to financial and job related stress. I find it very difficult to go on sometimes. I know this is a tough topic for me, but you guys are the best at understanding. Just helps to get it out sometimes.

Hi Pluspea,
I have no experience other than I knew a fellow who's wife suffered and he encouraged her to cheer up and get over it.
It did not work out well. If you feel bad enough to ask for help here, I would think you need to get a professional opinion.
With the utmost respect I ask you get some help and wish you the best.
Mike

Never suffered from it myself but have known a couple who did and it's nothing to play with. Seek help and hang in there.

Don't have personal experience but a close relative is bi-polar, manic-depressive, and when he would go through the depressive stage of this disease it really put him in a funk. I know that many people try to self-medicate themselves (with alcohol, drugs, tobacco) and this only makes it worse. You should seek a couple of medical opinions. Since this is a gun forum I trust you will stay away from your firearms if you don't feel just right. Seek out some professionals on the subject and I am sure you will get some good advice.

Not all antidepessants work for everybody. Get your doctor to prescribe another and see if it works. Remember, these pills don't work over night, it takes a couple of weeks to get any good out of them. And also, they don't work magic, they should just level out your highs and lows so you can function and work on the things that are depressing you.

Good luck...

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My wife does...she suffered a broken neck in an accident in 2003, and has had numerous health problems as a result. She was unable to continue working, and she loved her job...she underwent a lot of physical therapy to get her motor skills back, and she still has to use a cane to walk. She has had 7 operations for resulting disc issues. She cannot ride her motorcycle, which she loved to do. In all ways, her life has been profoundly affected. She is in pain constantly, cannot do any of the things she loved to do, and feels utterly worthless and despondent. She too has little relief from Prozac, and her doctors have tried several other medications with no real results either. Some days are better than others...and we just take it day by day.

Some people look at her and say she should just get over it, and get on with life...but I know my wife, and she is NOT the self-pitying type of person. This is a very real condition. Now that she has progressed to the level she has, and her physical condition is pretty much stabilized (i.e. probably won't see any more improvement) we are now going to seek some mental therapy, so she (we) can deal with life as it is for us both.

I wish I could tell you a great success story...but so far, I can't. I can tell you not to give up, not to feel like it is your fault or that you shouldn't seek help or treatment. Depression is just like any other illness, and not one to be ashamed of and hide.

I don't believe in drugs to cure this all to common problem. What are you going to do, become forever drug dependent to achieve normalcy? Try thinking of if you were ever happy. You know yourself best and therefore are your own best analyst. Any analyst you speak to is just gonna ask what do you think about this? how do you feel about that? how can you make things better? Try going without drugs and do some serious self analysis. Unfortunately some things you realize about yourself may require some serious changes in your life to get mentally healthy

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SOS USA

Meaning no offense, but that is about the same thing as saying don't take antibiotics for an infection. There may be some people who can "heal themselves" but for many, many more, this is a real medical condition that will not improve without medication and therapy.

You don't have to be drug dependent for life to be normal, but even if you do, isn't it worth it to have a normal life? I am sure that diabetics who need insulin to function normally would agree... and depression is just as real.

Again, I mean no offense...but after watching my beloved wife suffer and struggle for years, I do have strong feelings about the subject.

it's hard to live with depression; it's harder to talk about it publicly. for that, i commend you. you really should seek professional help, other than a getting a 'script from your physician. a psychiatrist, a therapist, or some other professional to talk to. i've known people with clinical depression, including my mother. just talking about it can do wonders.

Second on what JcMack said

We all go thru depression of some sort.

It's just how badly we let it get to us.

After it's past, we wonder why we let it bother us, because once we're over it, it doesn't seem to be that big or bad.

Just becareful when going off one pill to another. Sometimes the side effects can be worse than the cure.

Also, this can/will affect your ownership of firearms.
It does here in Hawaii. Once you check off Yes to the question, local PD will automatically Deny your ability to own a firearm. Even with a MD's letter.

I too meant no offense. There's many different stories out there. The OP presented this as a relatively new problem. My doctor, like most, is a "practicing physician" meaning he's perfectly willing to practice on me. I mentioned a while back, during a physical, that I was depressed, to which he responded with a talk of a "prescription". I told the guy I preferred to do some self examination and he told me that was a viable solution and he evaluated himself when he felt down. I'm 63 now. I grew up in what is considered "the best of times". Things have rapidly degraded in any responsible persons life here of late. Friends in my peer group often say "I can't imagine how I could survive as head of a family under current conditions".

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SOS USA

I applaud you for taking the step of reaching out. I used to be a "snap out of it" guy, but seeing people close to me suffer has changed my mind.

There is help out there. Find a good doctor. Medication can help. If it helps you, then who cares if you take for a long time? People take cholesterol meds for their whole lives. There are lots of things you can try if the prozac isn't doing it.

Hang in there. It will get better. Good luck.

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“What you got, ain’t new.”

Thanks so much for all the replys, my Brother just phoned me from another state and he could tell something was wrong, so I confided in him. I just got off the phone, I made an appointment with my Family Doctor, and he is not easy to see. I usually see someone else, the latest female doctor is not nearly as compassionate as he is.
I've seen a friend almost loose everything because of this, he had to sell his house, and move into a rental, he received shock treatment for his illness.
This is not the first time I've fought this problem
Please pray for me, and thanks again for all the positive comments.

Keep on posting and let us know how you are doing after you see your Doc. Family support is best but don't forget that we are here for you too. Good luck.

Kudos for reaching out and talking about it! Like sig220, I was once a "get over it" kind of guy. Since then, I've been very close to a number of people with clinical major depression. In your condition, there is an imbalance in brain chemicals like serotonin and dopamine, and while exercise, diet and psychotherapy may help (and usually do, to some extent) medication is often necessary, and NO ONE should be ashamed to take antidepressants if that's what they need.

Others have mentioned that not all antidepressants work for everyone; Prozac makes some folks more depressed, and often has other side effects, like chronic headache. Lexapro is a more recent one that works well for some patients for whom other drugs don't, but isn't for everyone. Effexor may work, but in some cases, will make a patient progress from depressed to suicidal in VERY short order.

It is crucial that you see a doctor who understands pharmacology and drug interactions. Not all do; in fact, I'd venture that most do not. I have a client who is an MD neurologist, specializing in behavioral and psychological disorders. He is heavily involved in pharmacological research, and we talk about it frequently. He will quickly tell you that few doctors really know enough about the drugs they prescribe.

Good luck to you, sir. You are not alone in the world.

I am taking Wellbutrin/Bupropion. I have good results with it. It is as was said "takes out the highs/lows so you can function". I realized my marriage was most of the problem but after a divorce I still use the med. This is a disease not something you can just snap out of so don't beat your self up in that regard. I know just how you feel been there. Hang in there man. Talk to your doc. he is the best guy to help that I found. I know when I was in your shoes feeling that way I asked the BIG guy to help me to help my self. It helped me. E-mail me I'll hang with you till you get better.

solutions work better than meds.
Most are cowed into the concept of working 9 to 5 and that is supposed to represent a way of life.
Its becoming less true by the day.
When this ideal does fail, many dont seem to see options to help get them through and get stuck on what looks like a hopeless situation.

Consider Nikola Tesla for a moment .... he essentially cooked up most of the concepts behind all electrical engineering to include radio TV the AC power grid we use today and volumes more.
Tesla was just a garden variety man like you or I.
Did you know that the founders of Google could not afford a server case? ... so they built one out of legos in their dorm room.
HP hatched out of a garage Hornady used to make capacitor cans for the gov during WW2.
its all just a matter of taking what you know and making it earn money for you.
even if only to supplement your income, that effort is well spent since it can lift some of the financial stress and even save your bacon in the worst case.
This is what you need guy

Drugs are a short term fix. I would also recommend counseling. Been there, done that. I'll be praying for you.

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Prayers for you. As was previously mentioned, sometimes you have to try different anti-depressants to find the one that works for you. And with most of them, it does take a week or two. Seeing as you asked for prayers, I'd like to suggest you ask God to help you also. It's also easy to see the depressing side of life, but you need to concentrate on the blessings you have. We are all blessed. And we all have challenges. It's good that you are asking for help and advice. And good that you don't have to go through it alone. Feel free to PM or email me.

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Misty

I totally agree with Misty, because if you believe and have enough faith, then the Lord can lift that from you. I'll be praying for you. Just see your doctor and try to relax and count your blessings. Staying REAL busy helps me when I feel bummed out or anxious. I have a giant lawn and because of that, it looks great.
Peace, gordon

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better have that checked

My ex wife suffered from depression and maybe some other problems and I guess she is doing OK now, but it is a problem that can be very difficult to treat. A lot of good advice has already been given so I will just warn you about one thing. She was taking Wellbutrin and stopped taking it "cold turkey" and didn't know that you were supposed to taper off slowly. This caused her some really terrible problems like "feeling electrical shocking in her brain", and a few other bad things that took over a year to go away.

A little something about prayers.Since I joined the forum I've said alot of them.All of my prayers have been sincere and asking for Gods hand for others.Man,I've never prayed so much in my life.But one thing's for sure,I haven't prayed for myself but to say thanks.But somehow I feel like a better man now.Belive me I'm not in good shape right now and I really need a break.But I'm gonna be OK.And you will be to.Please get some help if it's getting you down that bad.
I'll be asking a prayer or two for you.
D.G.

Yeah, I've been there from time to time. So far it has always passed, sometimes with a little effort on my part, and sometimes without my knowing why. It came, it left. Never understood why. But it was sure awful while it was around.

Look up a book called The Depression Cure by Stephen Ilardi. I don't subscribe to everything he says, but there is some merit in a fair amount of it. I was particularly interested to find that there is statistical evidence that for a large portion of the population, simply increasing consumption of fish oil on a daily basis is beneficial. Sounds like nonsense, but read the chapter. The evidence is pretty good.

In addition, do NOT underestimate the power of novelty and exercise to lift spirits.

But don't expect miracles from any form of therapy. Don't set your hopes so high that they are bound to be disappointed, or you will just reinforce the prevailing downer. Recovering from depression does not mean attainment of constant happiness; it involves climbing out of the pits and returning to a mix of occasional satisfaction and episodes of more conventional misery. You can't escape the pain that simply living imposes upon you; but there are things you can do to keep it in balance.

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David Wilson

Looks like all the available advice has been given so I'm jusy gonna say GOOD LUCK

pluspea - after a nasty divorce, I learned about the real ugly side of depression up close and personal. It's kinda like fracturing your arm or leg. It is almost impossible to get better without some skilled help. My department psychologist was a world of help to me. Also, there is an almost endless list of available anti-depressant meds out there. What works or doesn't for some one else may be completely different for you.

I still get visited by the monster every once in awhile, but am 1000's of times better than a few years ago. I also believe I'm stronger and better for it. God is The Great Physician, he can do a great work in healing you, just let Him.

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SWCA #2275

I wrote the book on it. I remember sitting in my room at around age 20 dreaming of freezing myself to death in my car in the middle of the night(winters were actually cold here then); "tapes" playing in my head repeatedly with messages like, "Why live?", "What's the point?", "No hope!", yada, yada, yada. Always a sense of foreboding, feeling like 'nothing will ever work out right'.

When I was in grade school I was walking down the school hallway one day and a high school student with a camera took my picture; they put it on a page of candid shots in the yearbook with the caption, "What's wrong, Andy?" The look on my face was telling.

My early 20's were the worst; terrible pain. It was a miracle that I got through college and grad school.

Now I'm nearly 52, and haven't had any serious bouts with it for over 20 years.

Yes, pluspea, I know of what you speak. I'm available, by PM or email. If you're interested, I'll tell you how the black clouds in my mind broke up.

Andy

thanks for all the great support. I didn't exactly reveal the root of my depression, it's my job, the thing torments me every waking moment. I wake up at night with it haunting me. I am almost sixty years old, and the work am asked to do is that a much younger man would have trouble preforming, sometimes on little sleep. I took this job because I was desperate, being out of work for almost six months. I have to keep moving without a break for eight hours, with one the most hateful arrogant bosses that you could imagine.I hold my breath and walk on eggs the entire workday. They have a window they watch you from, you have to not be seen standing still, or the big boss lets you have it. I have been somewhat depressed since I have been there, but it came to a head a couple of months ago, they had me almost by myself, unload a fifty three foot trailer of heavy cabinets, many over my head, sometimes in extreme heat, when that is done, keep moving, there is more than enough left to do. When your order is pulled, he checks it for errors, I cringe when he calls my name. He is always complaining about how long I am taking to do a task. My coworker is in his thirty's, and I can't stay with him. I injured my back a couple of months ago lifting an eighty pound reel of wire, and was off for two weeks. Last week I stepped off a forklift and slipped in a gob of grease that had fallen from the same, I hit my head and injured my back again. I was loaded onto an electric cart and taken to a coworkers pickup then taken to the ER, (why not an ambulance due to head neck injury)I am now on workman's comp and have to see one of their doctors this week. It was their fault I was injured, but the fact that I have to live on less through the insurance co. just doesn't seem fair. My wife says that there are many people my age that do the kind of work I do, she doesn't know what it's like.
I realize that jobs are hard to find, but this one is going to put me six feet down. I know you have your own problems, I just wanted to share what was depressing me. Thanks for listening.

Go to a labor lawyer for a consultation. They've broken many labor laws.

you know I suffered from depression myself and I was bad with it, the drugs and therapists didn't help, but what helped me sounds impossible and crazy as hell, but I FORCED myself to think 150% positively, I FORCED myself to at least fake happy, then it became a bit of a thought pattern and a habit and I slowly but surely healed, but it is one hell of a road to get out of, and it won't be easy but just remember this always, 'Change the way you look at things and the things you look at change' if you need help, or just someone who can relate pm me and I will give you my phone #, you arn't the only one, it just feels like it, and you will make it through it if you want to

depression is nothing to play with. I applaud ya getting help/talking of it.

Trouble is in a work situation they gave you a break hiring an old guy to to the young guys job. If you can't keep up sometimes ya do have to admit ya can't and quit. You see them as the enemy where as they likely felt for ya to hire you to begin with. Ya are quick to point blame on the accident etc on them.


Sounds like ya need a different job and that's OK... trouble I have with it is you seem to be of the opinion that less than standard work/ due to your age.condition is an acceptable excuse. You are a new hire and not a guy who has 15 years of great service with them,

I am sorry but sometimes with depression we have too quit blaming others for our issues.

The economy stinks and none of us here likely caused it but most of us are feeling it.

Age discrimination is not that if you can not keep up. As far as a labor lawyer-because they bark your next assignment and expect you to keep moving? Some of ya are the reason jobs keep leavin.

I haven't worked on the dock like you since I was 18. Trailers were a max 40' and it was tough then. Yours is not so much depression as it's work related stress. I found myself in a similar position last year and because of it took SS at 62. That really shot a hole in my standard of living. However my frame of mind and personal safety have much improved. You need some legal advice. You also need to consider your health and the possibility of a life altering injury. A friend of mine retired to Tennessee, close to Knoxville. He found a part time job after looking for almost a year. His stories of working conditions would curl your hair. Your wife have a job?

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+1.................

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Right a list of all the things you are thankful for. You have a job, you are 61 but healthy enough to do hard labor unloading semi trailers, you have a wife,.....etc,etc,etc. Be glad that you have a job and every evening you can spend looking and applying on the internet for a better job, and look forward to the fact that social security is right around the corner

Seems to me you just answered your own question. Sounds like a laborer's job in a factory or warehouse. That's hard work, not for someone in their late 50's.

I'm almost 63 and can tell you without a doubt that it takes MUCH longer to do a job now than it did 20 years ago. I still do the work but accept the fact that I am slower and not as strong...and that's OK.

When I was younger, I worked my way through college in a lot of factories and warehouses, driving a fork truck or whatever. Accidents happen, people slip or fall all the time. Maybe your accident was their fault, who knows, but then again just maybe a good part of it was due to your inattention due to the problems you are facing. Face it, factory work is tough work and hard enough for someone in their 30's, let alone someone close to 60.

There are easier jobs out there. Give it a thought.

Oh, someone here mentioned sitting down and talking to the good Lord about your problem...that might be a thought as well.

Here's 2 pieces of advice - Worth way more than they're going to cost you!

1. Put ALL of your guns with someone you trust! Do it TODAY!!

2. Go to a church (any one will do right off) and talk to the Minister or Priest. If you don't like what you're hearing from that person, go to another church and try again. Repeat if necessary.

3. You don't want to know why I know this - It was December 13, 1977 -- And I still miss her...

AGAIN - Eliminate your access to guns (just for now) - Talk to a pro.

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In dog years I'm dead.

I agree.

Being depressed because your dog died or you lost you job (reactive depression) is one thing. What the OP is probably talking about is another (endogenous depression).

Endogenous depression is caused by an imbalance in neurotransmitters in the brain and is a REAL disease -- like diabetes or epilepsy. There's several different types.

The treatment is to take a drug which restores that balance. Prozac is one and there's may more that affect different neurotransmitters. They don't make you stoned and they aren't addictive. It takes about a month or so for most of them to start working.

Talk therapy or "keeping a stiff upper lip" would be about as effective for this as they would be for a broken leg or high cholesterol.

Women are much more likely to get their depression treated than men. Macho jerks that we are, we just continue to be miserable and drink too much.

Get it evaluated. It most likely can effectively treated.

JMHO.

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Festina lente - A. Caesar

meds are only part of the solution and honestly a crutch till you heal the broken bones in your head.
you have to retrain your brain to process without hopelessness.
creative activities help.
git you a guitar son.
or better yet ... take up some wood craft and build yourself a guitar

Lots of good advice has been given.
I won't really add much to it except that what you eat and drink can help or hurt this situation as well.
I read awhile back that a glass of milk in the morning helps with one of the chemicals in the brain, (seratonin?) maybe consulting a really good dietician would be helpful.

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There are two forms of depression. One is situational. That is related to negative events and situations such a divorce or death of a loved one or loss of a job. This form of depression is best dealt with by identifying the cause of the sadness and working on dealing with it. Talk therapy or just talking with someone who is willing to listen can help. Changing the situation may be required. Medication can also be used for a brief time.

The second type of depression is biological. That is depression that ranges from moderate to very severe and is not related to negative events or situations. Episodes of severe depression can occur when things are going well. The cause is believed to be due to an imbalance of certain neurotransmitters such a Serotonin. There are three types of medication used to treat major depression. The most commonly used medications are in the SSRI category. Despite the many stories of side effects and other problems, they are safe and effective for many people. This form of depression is a real, biological illness. You can no more get rid of it by doing hobbies and watching cheery movies than you can get rid of diabetes by thinking about eating salads and thinking happy thoughts. This requires professional help. Many family physicians are not qualified to treat major depression.

Men often experience depression as anger and rage. That can lead to dangerous behaviors such a suicide and hurting others. Taking the guns out of the picture right now would be prudent. Being able to easily act on anger/rage feelings is not a good thing.

I dealt with bouts of severe depression that got very bad after I had a stroke in 2002. I was treated with antidepressants and talk therapy for a good many years without much success. I finally, saw a psychiatrist who tried me on a medication developed to treat seizures that is also used to treat bipolar disorder and that made a world of difference. I take the medication as prescribed and go to sessions of talk therapy with a psychologist. I am not happy all the time but those peaks and the horrible valleys have been evened out.

In your case, your depression seems to be very much situational. Your choices are to stay as you are and feel lousy. Or, you can learn some new ways to cope with the job stress or you can change the situation. I have had a couple of toxic jobs but I also was taught that a "real man" sticks it out and doesn't quit. I was fired only once in my working life and was very unhappy and felt like it was the end of the world. Well, it turned out that I didn't realize how miserable the job was until I got out of it and it actually turned out well for me. Sometimes we have to examine our old beliefs and change them to those that work better...No job is worth your health...physical or mental...Good Luck!

...when you visit the Dr. ask for a blood test to check your Vit D level. Sometimes it takes a number of different adjustments to turn things around...

PLUSPEA, you called it right when you called it a demon. Suffered from it for years and my primary care doctor prescribed Wellbutrin and then Prozac. After a while it was worse not better. Went through the range of emotions that you described. Finally my doctor referred me to a urologist as I hadn't been to one and the diabetes I suffer from was agood reason to go. He did the blood work and found some of my hormones low and I started taking shots. He told me the world would look a lot better in 30 days. WOW, what a difference. Now I'm not saying that will work for you but handling stress effectively depends in large part to how you feel. Have a good physical and hormone levels checked. If all is well there, then my next suggestion is not to elicit any comments from others but we are spiritual creatures as well as physical. We are hard wired with a hole that is only filled with the presence of a loving God. HE is there, we have to want that relationship . Have I been where I have suffered. Yes, my faith was all that carried me before the doctor found the reason for the imbalance. I have found HIS presence reassuring, HIS love unconditional, and HIS blessings beyond compare. Now to let you know that I have a track record I've lost a job through merger, I'm 63 so not much I can do to keep up with the younger crowd, but we have what they don't, real life experience, knowledge, but HE has taken care of me and never missed a meal or a bill. I am diabetic, had foot surgery 3 times and each time my surgeon says "this is bad" and each time he just shakes his head at my recovery. Been in 4 car wrecks from low sugar and each time someone who was uniquely qualified to take care of me was present. What I am trying to say is that there is someone bigger than all of our problems. HE is known as the great I AM, but HE is also the great I WILL, and the great I WANT TO. if you have a friend or family member who attends church, reach out to them and attend. The very best to you and yours.
Bob
P.S. Read Isaiah 41:10, 1Peter 5:7, Jeremiah 32:27, and Jeremiah 29:11-13, they have been a lot fo comfort to me.
I think you will find comfort in those.

50 Target is right on about male hormone levels..after age 60 testosterone plunges(decreasing by 1%/yr after age 30)..My gerontologist put me on injections 5 years ago at age 69..His nurse trained me to administer the shots myself and medicare pays for most of the serum ..
The low safe level is 300ng/ml of blood..a shot every 3 weeks will help a lot if you are low...depression is a symptom of low levels in men..

You have my prayers and as others have said, Jesus IS the Great Physician and He specializes in depression. I can tell you from personal experience the He can and will heal. One of the most important things that anyone ever told me was that sleep is a natural results of being tired. If I'm tired, laying in bed and cannot go to sleep then God is performing a maricle to keep me awake and it is because He wants to talk to me. Therefore any time that I can't sleep I start praying and ask the Lord what HE wants to talk about. Unually it is something that I don't want to talk about with Him but I need to. If I give in and deal with what He wants then I find myself praising Him for how much He loves me and how He wants what is best for me. I go to sleep praising Him and the depression is gone! As I say, I speak from personal experience that this works and I recommend it to everyone who knows the Lord. May you hear the Lord as He speaks and respond to Him. He will bless and heal you!

Prozac dosages have to be adjusted/tweaked and some people need to take something else with it. A mental health professional such as a psychiatrist would be a better treatment provider than a generic MD. Some pain meds at various doses could be part of the problem, either too much or not enough. Background chronic pain sometimes causes all sorts of problems.

Walmart and McDonalds are both usually hiring. Both aren't always providers of great jobs, but the former at least has certain standards and the latter gives you free meals.

Nearby hospitals may have extensive out patient therapy programs. Most states, and Federal law, only impact your right to have guns if you've been adjudicated mentally ill and not had your sanity restored. A few such as MI don't allow permits for carry if someone has an active diagnosis of mental illness, but in general, someone in the United States can be as depressed, odd, or even howling at the moon crazy as they want and still stack guns to the ceiling.

If you are, or become, suicidal, dial 911 or go to your nearest ER.

Good luck, I think that's the best support I can give. Advice is here from lots of sources.

I've struggled with (admittedly, self-diagnosed) seasonal depression since junior high school. Didn't recognize it for what it was until this past year when my bride laid it all out for me. I haven't gone the medication route yet, but it's not off the table. I try to do things that keep me happy instead.

I'm so sorry that you are having a rough go of things. It seems like we always get kicked when we are down.Sounds like your job is the culprit. My only advice to you is to sit down with your wife, evaluate where things are right now, and see if it would be possible to quit that awful job, and start getting yourself healthy again. I know what it is like to have a high stress job, where your body just kills you every day and you dread going to work. That is no way to live your one and only life that you have. Your health is the most important thing. I will pray for you, please try and stay positive.

NEWFYMAN,

You are right on with your statements. HE deals it straight and when we get straight, things get better. As tough as HE is , no doubt in my mind anyway that HE loves me.

Take care.