HELP Dating a Single shot Target pistol (PICS)

ssgmac · #1 12-07-2010, 10:58 PM

5.3mm imorted by A.F. Stoeger, New york Crown U, B, and crown G proofed, made in germany. Anyone know if it is a parlor pistol or an imported target pistol. Exceptional quality, has a model # or serial # of 769 next to the proofs. Rear sight has elevation adjustment and front is dovetailed. I have personally shot 22 lr through it and it is very accurate and repeatable! Has auto ejector. Barrel is marked as is the frame 9, assuming this is the barrel length. What are your thoughts?

jrm53 · #2 12-07-2010, 11:09 PM

I have not a clue what that is but I like it. Jeff

Injunbro · #3 12-07-2010, 11:39 PM

Looks sort of like the old Germanmade Flobert parlor guns.

2152hq · #4 12-08-2010, 02:41 AM

The proof marks (commonly called 'BUG' proofs by collectors) were used from the start of manditory proof in Germany in 1891 till 1939.
AF Stoeger started business in 1924.
(They had a printed catalog as early as 1926,,perhaps earlier. )

So sometime between 1924 and 1939 I'd guess...

.22cal Parlor guns or those intended for indoor shooting are usually found in 22CB / 22short caliber.
It could have had the chamber lengthened at some point in it's life,,though it may have been made in 22LR originally. Sometimes a very close examination of the chamber will show the old short chamber and the newly lengthened area due to a slight variation in dimentions between the existing chamber and the reamer used to do the work.

The auto ejector is interesting as most pistols of this sort did not have one. Looks to be a very high quality pistol for casual target shooting. The extreme machines for serious target work got very into function and somewhat away from form (that hasn't changed any!).
This one keeps the nice looks and the accuracy necessary for a good day at the range.
Congrats on a very nice pistol.

pawncop · #5 12-09-2010, 10:29 PM

Well if you want to date it, I suggest a movie and nice German restaurant.

Sorry could not resist.

Combat · #6 12-10-2010, 08:14 AM

Do a google search on German proof marks. I remember seeing a page somewhere a long time ago that explained them very well.The marks not only tell when it was made but also what city and by whom.

ssgmac · #7 12-10-2010, 08:53 AM

Thanks all for the info. The pistol is listed in there A.F. Stoeger 1926 catalogue as a target pistol. Got a reprint on the way, will keep thread updated with anymore info. Thanks Again

0369 · #8 12-24-2010, 07:24 PM

That is beautiful. I'll scan a 1939 and 1925 reprint when I get a chance. $21.00 in 1939 and $13.75 in 1925.
Cloul you post a couple of pictures of the how the barrel locks and opens?
Thank you.

Onomea · #9 12-24-2010, 07:32 PM

That's a handsome pistol!

I'd never heard of "parlor guns" before. How genteel (or in the modern vernacular, "way cool!"). Have some guests over, casual conversation in the parlor, the conversation flags, so you say, as host, "Well, let's shoot a couple of rounds with my parlor gun here," and take a few shots at your handy wall-mounted target across the room....

I like it!

0369 · #10 12-24-2010, 08:33 PM

It is .22 short and long rifle.

Dafas · #11 01-25-2011, 11:14 AM

It looks like you have a German made Scheibenpistole made by Scharfenberg. They were indeed made by different contractors in different calibers for different countries/clients! They usually range from 4mm Flobert to teh most common one: 22 LR. They are generally very well made. If you take the grips of: there might be some additional information. (I have two of them - on my frame there is the letter 'S' ingraved which means they were made by Georg Scharfenberg.) The German proof marks are Crown B-U-G and sometimes they have a number underneath them. In your case that is 769.. which is quite unusual. However, this is the official caliber markings from the proofhouse in Suhl. If you like and you can make a photograph, I can look it up for you!

Has it also got markings like 0,2 gr N.G.P. M/71 1,8 gr. Bl??

There is a wonderful book by Otto Halfmann called 'Die Scheibenpistole'. This is a beautiful reference book - if you can find it. BTW it is only in German!

Cheers, Dafas (Keep in Touch with the Dutch)

handejector · #12 01-25-2011, 11:50 AM

Pics below from Stoeger Catalog #18 which says copyright 1932.
Interesting that the caliber is not given.

handejector · #13 01-25-2011, 11:51 AM

Next page over is the high dollar stuff!

handejector · #14 01-25-2011, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onomea

"Well, let's shoot a couple of rounds with my parlor gun here," and take a few shots at your handy wall-mounted target across the room....

I like it!

Actually, the fireplace was often the backstop.

walnutred · #15 01-25-2011, 12:06 PM

In a couple stories Sir Arthur Conan Doyle mentions Holmes shooting in his apartment. While this caused concern for his landlady it was not considered unusual enough for the police to be concerned. In Germany at least through WW2 Beer Halls often had indoor pistol/rifle ranges for these firearms similar to how British pubs had dart boards. Which may explain why Germany was able to push Britain and France all over Europe twice in the last century.

haggis · #16 01-25-2011, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dafas

Cheers, Dafas (Keep in Touch with the Dutch)

Very nice first post, Dafas. Welcome to the forum.

Buck

nicky4968 · #17 01-25-2011, 09:28 PM

wunderbar!