Based on the M-4 or AR style the M&P manual
says to use only mags for the m&p. When I was in
the Army we had to qualify with an M-16 but the only
weapons we carried on a tank was a .45 cal. M-3 Grease
gun or sub machine gun and an M1911 .45 So being a tanker
I had little to do with field weapons.

I've noticed lots of talk about the Pmags but couldn't find any
mention of the Cammenga Easy Mags.

My question is this: Will the AR style mags. fit the M&P and
really what I'm looking for the answer to is; Will the Cammenga
easy mags fit the M&P?

Thanks in advance!

Sorry, I don't have any experience with "Cammenga easy mags".

The only issue I've even read about, is that some early M&P15s had issue with pMags? I got a M&P15OR this year and it came with a pMag. The pMags (I've added a few) have worked flawlessly.

I also have some of the alum. GI mags with grey enhanced Magpul followers from Bravo Co. Black teflon coated 30 rd for $9.99. These have also worked perfectly in my M&P15.
AR-15 Magazines
I'm amazed one can buy such a quality Mag for about $10.

Most AR15/M16 mags should work fine in your M&P15; but I only have experience with the two above. If no one here can answer (this thread seems to have little traction), you could call Smith and Wesson and see if they know of any issue with those mags.

I was curious, and had to look them up:
Cammenga.com
That's an interesting approach to Mag loading. They look like std 5.56/.223 mags, so they "should work".

Thanks a ton CBR. I was begining to wonder if I said a bad
word or something by mentioning Cammenga! I sent Cammenga
an inqiury but have had know response as of yet. There was a plastic mag. that came with my 15. Seemed flimsey but I guess they're tough.......Guess it's a Pmag..

I wouldn't classify a PMag as flimsy. However, I've seen lots of AL mags that seem to fit that description.

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Didn't mean to strike any nerves by saying flimsey AZ98.
It struck me as amazing being plastic is all. Guess I coulda
found a better choice of words......Especially after seeing
this video...

Link: Hope this works....

http://www.cammenga.com/playmedia.ph...=100&width=100

The PMags are far and away the most popular AR-15 magazines. They're tough, and they're inexpensive. The easy-mags are a solution looking for a problem. I put all of my ammo on stripper clips and with a Stripula speed loader, I can fill a 30-round magazine in less than 20 seconds.

I also don't bother with the PMags that have the windows in them. The rifle makes a decidedly different sound when the last round is fired, and i don't need to visually verify that the magazine is empty.

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I understand. When I got my M&P15 with a pMag. My reaction was, "a #$%& plastic Mag!". I couldn't believe it. From S&W??? Well I immediately ordered some Alum GI mags (those I listed above). But after using the pMag for a few months, I found myself at my local gun shop with a pMag in one hand, and a Alum mag in the other. After crushing confusion, I set down the Alum mag, and started buying more pMags!! I am stunned, but it's true, there are great plastic mags! Who would have thunk it. Between the pMag and my M&P 15-22, I'll always remember 2010 as the year I learned to love plastic.

BTW - when I told several friends who are in active service about my plastic Mag incident, they laughed at me and said many of them use pMags, and I needed to get over my "plastic issues" Not trying to poke fun at the OP, I just thought it was funny, as I was going to the "real guys" so they could reaffirm to me that plastic Mags were bad. That didn't work so well for me.

What I like most about the PMags I use is that you can drop them on concrete and the feed lips don't deform. I've been less successful with aluminum mags when that happens.

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Pmags are great for civilian use. I would hesitate to use them extensively in an M4 on full auto, I saw one Pmag cracking toward the rear of the feed lips after only a few months of use. Of course for our AR-15s that is not an issue.

I will suggest a magazine which you may like. The new C Products SCAR magazine designed for SOCOM. It is essentially an updated version of the GI aluminum mag. The body is stainless steel and stiffer, though only a bit heavier than aluminum. They have an anti-tilt follower and self lubricating spring, and come in cool guy tan. I bought a couple recently and really like them. Otherwise good old aluminum GI mags are a great option despite all the new high-tech stuff on the market.

C Products Magazine AR-15, FN SCAR-L 5.56x45mm NATO 30 Round Stainless Steel SOCOM Flat Dark Earth - MidwayUSA

P-Mags work perfectly in my very early (000625) M&P 15T. Never a problem.

To answer the original question (again!), Any AR magazine will work on an M&P. I run Pmags on mine and I also run the ****** aluminum mags that the army issues, since I have about 30 of them that I have accuired over the years. They both work well.

Pmags are awesome and I love them. I own 7. I got 5 from s&w with my rebate and bought 2 more. I personally wouldn't mind using them in combat. I didn't own mine on my last deployment (2009) but some guys in my company had them and it worked well for them. I don't think they would break shooting "fully automatic", since military M4s are not fully autos, they have only a 3-round-burst option that probably wouldn't damage the mag. You can actually abuse a magazine on semi rapid fire than on burst depending on how much you shoot. Its a matter of taste of course.

Thanks for the link CBR240, I will check out those Bravos for $9.99.
I have a few pmags and love them, work flawlessly and I like the clip to protect the feed lips while loaded.

Agree on all counts.

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We have M4A1s in SOCOM which have a full automatic selection instead of three round burst. It is hard on the Pmags.

I stand corrected

Good deal Sgt V ! That's what I was looking for,
Direction!
I also kinda figured it, but wasn't really really sure
after reading the manual. I didn't want to sink alot of
cash on mags I couldn't use. The easy mags should
be tough as nails according to the video...

As mentioned the P-Mag is one of the best mag's you can buy/own for an AR-15. They are WAY more durable then the el' cheapo aluminum GI mags.

I've read several times over the years that the aluminum GI mag's were designed to be light and cheap as they were/are often discarded.

There are video's out there of P-Mag's being run over by 10,000lb+ trucks, then being used to fire full auto.

Plastic's (Polymer) are MUCH stronger then aluminum. The day's of "Plastic" being "cheap" or of lesser quality are long over. Plastic's are the way of the future.

The majority of AR's sold today are shipped with P-Mag(s) from the factory.

OP: As also mentioned above, ANY AR-15 mag *should* work fine in your M&P 15

-Masta

Pmags are not "WAY" more durable than aluminum GI mags. Aluminum magazines are very rugged and have served well all around the world for decades. I have never seen one fail completely. I have seen cracked Pmags. Pmags are too fat and fail to seat completely sometimes during magazine changes, and some guys avoid them for this reason alone. And I'm not just talking about some Youtube video I saw or webpage I read.

Aluminum magazines were/are discarded? Nope. They are issued and maintained, and any good soldier keeps an eye on his seven+ magazines just like all the rest of his equipment.

I own and use Pmags as well as other magazines of newer design than the aluminum GI. But all of these newer mags are a solution in search of a problem. Anything from an old GI magazine with half the finish worn off to a brand new SCAR magazine will feed your rifle well. Use whatever magazine you feel confident in.

Let me see a 10k+ lb truck run over an aluminum GI mag, then pick it up and fire all the rounds out of it on full auto... (Becides the fact that the mag would be crushed flat and wouldn't be able to even be loaded into the rifle)

I'm not saying a P-Mag or any other mag can't crack or fail. Under normal civilian use, I don't see a P-Mag failing.

You said you've seen a P-Mag crack, but did it fail to work?

You say you've never seen problems with GI mag's, ask your self why there are dozens of different follower's available for GI mags? Could it be because they've had alot of problems over the years with feed problems and follower's sticking?


I've heard some of the origional M&P 15's where P-Mag's would work, but I havent seen or heard of any others and definitly nothing built in recent years where P-Mag's didn't work/fit flawlessly.

GI mag's if fully loaded are hard to seat in any AR with the bolt closed, P-Mag's arn't because a 30 round P-mag can actually hold 32 rounds, leaving room for the rounds to compress in the mag if seated under a closed bolt, where a GI 30 round mag only holds 30 rounds and doesn't have enough additional movement to allow easy seating, you have to slam them pretty hard to seat them under a closed bolt.


So you are telling me in a fire fight, a soldier is going to police his empty mags while he's getting shot at?

..and I didn't say they were purposely discarded, like 1 time use. They were designed to be light weight and cheap and durable-enough.

A solution in search of a problem? What are you talking about!?

Problems with GI Mag's (No specific order)

1. Problem; They are GREY - Who wants a Grey mag on their all black rifle? (Remember, we aren’t talking military use here)

2. Problem; They are painted - No-maintenance is preferred by almost every consumer.

3. Problem; They are clunky - Metal on metal

Those are just 3.

GI mags are cheap, why are the majority of manufactures including P-MAG's now with their AR-15's instead of GI mags? It's not to save them money, P-Mag's cost more!

I'm not saying the GI mags are junk. But they are not the best or only solution for AR mags.

But I have my opinion and you have yours. That's what makes this country great.

-Masta

I personally prefer my Pmags over my GI. Like stated,I dont want a clunky, light grey mag in my all black rifle. My AR looks like a $2000 rifle with a $3 mag with the GI. And with it not being but a few dollars difference between the two,why not go with the Pmag..

I picked up a few of these at the gun show.
They certainly look tough in this video......

I figured for 25 bucks was worth trying...


http://www.cammenga.com/playmedia.ph...=100&width=100

I was really liking the video until 1 particular part. When he dropped the sledge hammer on his and the standard GI magazine, to show how HIS wouldn't dent/bend, but the USGI version would. I noticed that his was fully loaded with ammo. The USGI was totally empty. A full mag is many times more durable than an empty magazine. If he would mislead in that area of durability, was he misleading in other claims?

But a one time cost of $25 is definitely worth trying. Obviously, the main selling point is ease of reloading the magazines. I can't see paying $25 each for owning say 10 magazines. But one or two for plinking would be nice. Save a lot of time. Me personally, I keep all my magazines loaded all the time. If I burn through 10 mags of 30 each (300 rounds) at the range, and I want to shoot more, then it's definitely time for a cigarette and coffee break. I personally don't mind reloading magazines. But this one definitely looks interesting. Just not a fan of the price. Then again, I won't pay $15 for a USGI magazine either. I find them for about $5, then pay $2 for a new Magpul Gen III follower, and basically have a new magazine for $7. On the other hand, I've had good luck with $5 each 20 round LE/Govt Thermold magazines.

Anyway; let us know how these work out for you. If they are good, I wouldn't mind a couple for range/practice use. Mainly for the ease of reloading.

True, But then again that's pretty standard misleading advertising!

However, the first time he drops the sledge hammer on both mag's empty! Then the 2nd time I think he only loaded his mag to show that after the abuse it would still fire, obviously he had no intention in trying to use the GI mag.

The sand stuff doesn't impress me much, but shooting the mag's with a shot gun sure makes a point!



Yeah, $25 is alot per mag, but then again other then AR mags, pretty much every other mag are $25+, the 16 round mag's for my Walther P99 are almost $70/each!!!! 10/22 aftermarket HC mag's are all $25+, etc.

The idea is nice just to save some range time, but I have/use the StripLULA to load loose rounds and can load a 30 round mag just as fast if not faster then he loads the mag's in his video.

-Masta

Exactly on the strpLLula. I was going to bring that up. If you are going to go to the range, and shoot more than say 300 rounds, and you only have 10 magazines; or less; then reloading can definitely be an issue. When I go to the range, I am usually shooting 3-4 different weapons. By primary carry hand gun; my choice of one of my other pistols; one of my .223; and for fun, either my 22LR rifle where I go on the metal silhouette portion of the range and have fun knocking over steel targets, or if it's close to hunting season, one of my hunting rifles.

So, the chance of me shooting more than 10 magazines (300 rounds) of .223 at one range trip, is pretty slim. Just shooting 300 rounds, and including the other guns, I'm probably going to be there about 3 hours anyway. This is one of the reasons however that I have at least 10 magazines loaded and with me at the range. So I don't have to reload. Mind you, I don't believe in the 30-40+ magazines that some people get into; but that's just me. I have 2-20's that I keep loaded at home for possible defense, and 1-10 loaded for when I help out on the ranch if I see a coyote, badger, prairie dog, etc... I basically keep 10-30's loaded for range time. I have a few more sitting around, but don't really load or use them.

I bought something similar to the Lula a couple years back. I was buying a lot of military surplus ammo on stripper clips. But in the last few years, most of my ammo is in box form. Last summer, my mom, sister, and brother came out to visit and attend my son's h.s. graduation. They love to shoot; and being from the communist state of New Jersey, they don't get to very often. So when they come to wyoming, we do a lot of shooting. Anyway; being I knew we would shoot a lot of .223, I loaded my normal 10 mags, but I also loaded up about 50 stripper clips with ammo. (Nothing better than sitting around the TV drinking beer and loading ammo). Anyway; I had about an extra 500 rounds on stripper clips. If we ran out of the 300 in magazines (We did), I used the Lula to speed load a few more magazines.

But generally speaking, I don't really have a need for needing fast reloads. I don't normally shoot more than 300 rounds at an outing. But this magazine definitely looks like it could come in handy. If you had 1 or 2 of these, they could be your back-up mags at the range if you did run out of loaded mags and still wanted to shoot some more. Definitely a cool idea. I definitely wouldn't have 10 of them however. Too expensive.

I keep 5 30-round P-Mag's loaded with XM193, for SHTF/Personal Protection, I have 5 20-round P-Mag's I use for bench shooting at the range (The 30 rounder's are a tad long for bench shooting) and 1 GI mag that came with my M&P 15T that just sits empty in the safe.

I believe in having 5 mag's for every gun. I only have 10 for my AR because I bought the 5 30-round P-Mag's first, my wife mentioned wanting a shorter mag, so we bought 5 20-round P-Mag's.

5 Mag's should be more then enough to cover a personal protection situation (Really 1 mag should be more then enough for this) and more so 5 mag's are more then enough for SHTF assuming you have a wife and/or kids are reloading the mag's for you while you are shooting.

-Masta