Chris Mathews, of MSNBC, stated today that President Obama did not make mention of any proposed gun-control legislation last night in his SOTU speech due to not wanting to take away from the impact of his economic proposals for the nation. He will be having a prime-time speech on strictly gun-control in the near future. Here it comes, folks......

I am saddened that our government representatives proceed on knee-jerk reaction to incidents such as the AZ shootings. But, we know it happens and we know a deluge of bills banning this and banning that and restricting this and that will be forthcoming soon. Prepare yourselves for a big fight. Make sure your representatives and senators know where you, a voter, stand.

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Obama is a lot of things but he is not stupid.

The make-up of the House is not conducive to passing gun control legislation. Polls indicate a majority of Americans do not want more gun control legislation. I may be wrong, but I don't think Obama will risk a failure at this stage of his Presidency.

The country has bigger fish to fry.

I agree with cp1969, to much to loose in the fight.

I wouldn't believe everything MSNBC (or Fox News) tells me.

The politicians will only pass law that they think is in our best interests. The administration seems to know what is best for everyone and the country. Sort of like an all knowing big brother.

Only if Obama wants to commit political suicide......if he hasn't already......

Can I get an AMEN?

With the GOP's stated goal of making Obama a one-term president, I don't think he'd try it.

It will be another story if he get re-elected.


Okie John

By having MSNBC touch on the subject he gets to see how much reaction he will get, what the resistance level is, and who will come at him for it, while still having deniability...

Old habits die hard.

With this Congress and McCarthy already saying that she might not have the support she needs, plus the numerous state and local new gun laws introduced that favor CCW, I think McCarthy's H.R. 308 or anything like it would have a bit of a fight. Don't forget the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling.

Not to say that there won't be a fight, but I think doomsday isn't quite around the corner yet.

nothing he tries will surprise me, i expect him to attempt some gun restrictions, it's just a matter of when.

My reason for posting this was not to say Obama or the DemoKrats would succeed in getting anything passed this session, I brought it up to alert people that it was, indeed, being seriously discussed in Washington, DC, and the Liberal-media.

Do I think it would succeed now? I doubt it. Do I think it is a reality in getting brought forth for discussion and testing the waters? Most certainly.

It is never going to go away and those that wish such laws passed will never keep from using tragedy to their advantage. This is just an example of that.

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If Obama wins a 2nd term, we are in trouble.......

it's always being discussed, they've been working on and discussing things behind the scenes since before he was elected, but they wait for tragic incidents to happen so they can bring their discussions to light.

The best we can do right now, whether we think legistlation has a chance or not, is to contact our Rep's and Senator's. Remind them that you vote and that this is an issue you want to be heard on. Don't count on the NRA to carry the whole fight. Voice our opinion from all angles.

BIG trouble, more like misery. Knowing he won't be running again, watch out. The House is the only thing we have to keep him in check.

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His try at gun control maybe like the obamacare bill. It was done behind closed doors and they will have to pass it to find out what is in it.

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I think our system of government was designed such that each of the branches could hold the others in check.

I am in general agreement that political efforts toward gun control are not likely to be successful in the congress.

I also agree that those who actively push for gun control will suffer politically as a result of such efforts (although there are too many in "safe" districts having little or no possibility of failing in elections, regardless of what they do or say).

I am also constantly amazed by the utter arrogance displayed by our president and much of the leadership of his party. I would not be surprised to see them pushing hard for very radical gun control legislation, regardless of potential consequences. Their contempt for "average Americans" is so great that anything is possible with this bunch.

I have also noted that our president has repeatedly used executive orders to achieve policy goals, thus bypassing the legislative process entirely. Declaring another "emergency" and issuing executive orders to mitigate the "emergency" could be the chosen course of action. Even if later determined to be unconstitutional, that would only happen after many have been subjected to losses of liberty and responded with legal actions to overturn the executive order. (This happened repeatedly during the FDR administration, and I suspect that the current administration is using the same road map).

"Never let a crisis go to waste". This administration views events such as the tragic episode involving Ms. Gifford as opportunities to achieve goals that would otherwise not be possible.

Another possible approach would involve cabinet-level appointees adopting regulations, even when such are clearly contradicted by acts of congress. Remember the recent EPA regulations on carbon dioxide emissions? Congress said "no" very clearly; EPA adopted the new regulations anyway, and is now enforcing those regulations with strict fines and other penalties.

My point is that avenues other than legislation can be used to achieve goals that have not passed the congress, and fighting against bureaucratic enforcement can burden those who resist with huge costs.

We must remember that we are dealing with a gang that views our constitution as an impediment to "good government", as they define the term, and are condescending (at best) and contemptuous (at worst) toward the whole concept of individual liberties.

I suspect that the MSNBC announcement was, indeed, a trial balloon launched by the administration that was intended to generate emotional response and heated public debate resulting in "emergency" measures being deemed essential.

Those who value individual liberties must be constantly prepared to defend those liberties against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The incidents at Concord and Lexington (the "shot heard 'round the world"), resulting in the Revolutionary War, came about because of heavy-handed and oppressive actions of an arrogant government. I hope that the pattern is not repeated, and that we can win the second revolution by peaceful means at the ballot boxes and in the courts. There is little doubt that we will have to fight again; only the means and scope of the fight have yet to be determined.

This is hardly unique to "this administration." Witness the way post 9-11 fear was exploited by the previous one to enact the obscenely-named "Patriot Act."

It's all smoke and mirrors; both the left and the right direct your attention to something fearsome with one hand and pick your pocket with the other. The only difference is which pocket they pick.

The Patriot Act was LEGISLATION, not executive order, and agreed to by the overwhelming members of BOTH the House and Senate. I see no overwhelming agreement to enact any of Obama's goals.

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They've been using the "never let a good crisis go to waste" mentality on the firearms issue since 1934 in this country.

Much, much longer...since before the Roman Empire everywhere else- they just didn't know what to call it.

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So, what you're saying is...the system is working as it should?

Given all the shootings of LEOs, those who favor gun control would think the public would be receptive to stricter laws. That's not the case, however. The public understands the police can't be everywhere so when someone takes it on themselves to be armed and provide their own protection they can relate to that. Another point the anti-gun people won't admit is the fact that many people who are not now armed would like to be but restrictive laws make that difficult, if not impossible. The public also understands that anyone who would shoot an armed police officer is certainly more than capable of shooting an unarmed citizen. And it will be difficult for a state or federal representative to support restrictive gun laws while cutting police budgets.

HUH? Did I miss something?

Perhaps only the sarcasm.

A quote from Adolf Hitler, 1935

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."

That says it all. Doesn't it!

Read on and be vigilant:
Gun-Control Effort Coming Soon From White House - Newsweek

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"Obama intentionally did not mention gun control in his State of the Union, but aides say that in the next two weeks the administration will unveil a campaign to get Congress to toughen existing laws."

Ladies & gentlemen you had best start writing your senators and congressmen because this administration is coming for your firearms.

Gun-Control Effort Coming Soon From White House - Newsweek

He probably would have if they had put it on his tele-prompter.
I suspect some sound and fury on the matter, but he knows no serious anti-gun legislation would make it through either the House or Senate.

Ah, but you have forgotten grasshopper...a little thing called Executiver Orders...

I believe that there is, "good", gun control. And I also believe that in gaining it,it leads to much better groups at 21 feet. I finally hit a paper plate with my .25 at 21 feet the other day. 1 out of six ain't too bad.
I also think humor beats hell out of politics anyways.
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happy ground hog day everyone!!!!!!

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It might, if it were true. If we're to effectively argue against any restrictions to our right to keep and bear arms, we need to do so using facts--not falsified quotations.

From the FAQ at rkba.org:

"This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all, suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant of which is that the date given (*in alternate versions, the words "This year..." are replaced by "1935...") has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been a need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government were already in effect. The Nazi Weapons Law (or Waffengesetz) which further restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license was passed on March 18, 1938.

The citation usually given for this quote is a jumbled mess, and has only three major clues from which to work. The first is the date, which does not correspond (even approximately) to a date on which Hitler made a public speech, and a check of the texts of Hitler's speeches does not reveal a quotation resembling this (which is easily understandable when you realize that "Hitler" is commenting on a non-existent law). The second clue is the newspaper reference, which if translated into German resembles the title of a newspaper called Berliner Tageblatt, and a check of the issue for that date reveals that the page and column references given are to the arts and culture page! No Hitler speech appears in the pages of Berliner Tageblatt on that date, or dates close to it, because there was no such speech to report. Finally, the citation includes a proper name "Eberhard Beckmann," which is sometimes cited as "by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann," which is an important clue itself, because it reveals that the citation was fabricated by someone who had so little knowledge of the German language that they were unaware that "Einleitung" isn't the fellow's first name! The only "Eberhard Beckmann" which has been uncovered thus far did indeed write introductions, but he was a journalist for a German broadcasting company after WWII, and he wrote several introductions to photography books, one of which was photos of the German state of Hesse (or Hessia), which may be the source of the curious phrase "Abschied vom Hessenland!" which appears in the citation. This quotation, however effective it may be as propaganda, is a fraud."

disinformation to get people excited and TAKING SIDES.

Have you guys noticed all the talk about yellow stone getting ready to blow and new madrid fault doing the same. What is up with all the fear mongering? It is becoming exceedingly difficult to discern the truth from the false.

One out of six? Dang, you are a marksman, I'm lucky to get one out of six at ten feet using my .25!!!!

If one repeats certain news or facts long enough, people generally do consider it as gospel. For the most part, we are a nation of followers.........

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Rather than another head on assault ala the AWB in 1994 that cost so many of those who voted for it their seats, we will see incrementalism and nibbling away. The big push will be to keep guns out of the hand of the "unfit"-however that is defined.

If we are not careful, they may appoint a Czar to rule over gun rights. They are above all reproach except Obummers.

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None of this is much of a newsflash. There is always some drivel about further gun control in a bill, resolution, or other such political trash. This is why I donate to the NRA.

The NRA has been fairly quiet, I am assuming gearing up for the debate and analyzing the angles. We cannot count on the NRA to do it all.

Time to let your US Reps and Senators know what you think.

Here is a website to help you find your elected official:

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

Here is a website to help you format your letter or email:
NRA-ILA ::

And for those who want to see Sen. McCarthy's bill on limited magazine capacity, you can go here:

Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

FYI, H.R. 308 (McCarthy's bill) is in committee.

Our US Reps and Senators are officials ELECTED to represent the view of their constituents, not their own private views. Time to remind them of who does the voting.

Why the surprise? Gun Control has been a DNC platform since at least the 1940s. If you read sporting magazines from 1945 and 1946 you will see there was a push to disarm returning GI's and prohibit them from owning firearms. The reasoning was that you had all these returning Veterans who were used to violence and using firearms. Obviously releasing them on the streets with access to firearms would result in a blood bath.

In the 40's it seemed to be more the Veterans organizations than the NRA that was fighting it. However with a little reading you'll see that the goal and strategy has not changed much.

I think lobogunleather nailed it best.

we can't forget that obama is NOT a politician. if there is anything worse than a politician it's a revolutionary like obama. he is just biding time and feeling the waters like has been said. he really doesn't care about a second term but he will take it if it happens. honestly he never expected to win the presidency in the first place. i don't think he ever dreamed so many americans were this nutty to elect him. so now he is taking all he can.

true the constitution is only a barrier to him and he will stop at nothing to destroy it.

on a side note, the only way we will ever secure some sense of security in regards to our rights is with term limits. i think that should even include a maximum service for our supreme court judges. the larger question is how much longer do we think we can hold on to our liberties when we are without representation? it shouldn't take the funding of the nra to buy off our "reps" and force a vote in our favor. it's only a question of time. nearly every rep in congress that has been in office for any length of time is for sale. we can't go on like this forever.

so it's a question more of how will we respond once "civil discourse" is exhausted. we have to at least start the process of understanding that this is what we may face in our lifetime.

just my opinion.

...which is why there will not be any serious gun control legislation that will get beyond the mouth phase. They would like to, but it won't happen.

The government is already widely distrusted and that grows by the day. To come out on any negative stance involving firearms at this point would be politically unsound.

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If obama was to get in for a second term ( hope not ) he just might drag some dems into office on his coat tails then there maybe big problems for our country as we have known in many ways.

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Gun control is a "hot potato" these days, politically, and the Dems took a thrashing in the past elections......Obama knows any attack on gun rights would take his odds of a 2nd term from very slim, to none.

There are still enough namby pamby soccer moms and rose colored glasses, "gun free Utopia" idiots out there to give the liberals some hope of support for any gun bans......

Most all of these posts make valid points. However, I know locally, many of those telling me that gun-control is not a worry due to the political ramifications for the DemoKrats is being told me by the very same people that told me a first-term, unknown Senator from Illinois would NEVER get the party nomination, then NEVER win the election. Look what we got.......

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wow, the mental health section of this is really scary. they could use that to ban guns from just about anyone. and also the drug section. proof that the drug laws are not just insurance for the pharmaceutical companies but also primarily a means to control the masses. it kills me that so much of this understanding is well known and preached in the minority communities, yet minority representation for the most part supports all these bans and continued class warfare legislation.

I have said time and again the nra has to do a better job of educating the minority groups. any visit at a gun show beats it all home that we are missing something in our education efforts.

"The politicians will only pass law that they think is in our best interests." Now that is funny. PUKE! How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.

I dont think he will try this term but if he is re-elected that might be another story!!!

If he indeed makes a gun control speech soon I'm convinced the motivation for it will be to mollify those far lefters whose hearts pine for more GC. I don't think he really expects to get a bill through the Congress during this term and I doubt he'd try it in a second term. He knows it would inflame the political right, its a third rail issue. He'd have better luck trying to cut Social Security benefits!