VM is a great guy all around. I am currently unemployeed and coulndt afford grips for my carry gun. I posted about selling the originals and getting some replacements. VM sent me a pair of grips no charge so I could keep the originals and still have control of my carry gun. I was shocked at the kindness of him to a newbie to the forum. THANKS VM for all the help you have given me.If there were more people like you this lil world would be a better place.