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Old 02-26-2011, 08:28 PM
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I'm looking at the SW M&P compact 9. The only 9m I have shot is a taurus compact and will get some fte's with it. I can shoot a springfield 1911 with no problems. I can shoot both accurately. Wondering if the failure to ejects are because I am limp wristing the smaller pistol. If you limp wrist a pistol can you still be accurate with it or are your shot going to go high on the target? Trying to find a way to diagnose the fte's.
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:51 AM
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It's a Taurus! Could be any number of issues. I'd find a range that rents the M&P. I bet you don't have any problems with it. I never fired a compact 9mm until I bought my 908, I've have not had any issues.
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I was a US Army Pistol Marksmanship Instructor (1978 - 1994), Army Pistol Team Coach, and shot for five Army Pistol Teams (I earned the Excellence In Competition Badge - only being considered "mission essential" in my assignment prevented me from going for Distinguished Pistol).

In my experience limp wristing should have no affect on accuracy (shot placement could be a bit higher, but the tightness of the group will not necessarily be less), but it will affect both recovery time for follow-up shots and pistol cycling. That 9mm you are shooting can easily have failures to eject if you limp wrist the gun - 9mm require a snappy return to battery.

Not saying that is the problem, just that it could be, so I'd start there. I have to watch a shooter to be sure.

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Limp wristing will effect accuracy for sure. Proper trigger control will not be present when limp wristing.

Good gun control means a firm grip on the gun and positive trigger pull.
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Best tell that to Olympic shooters. Their champs need to learn how to do it right.
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It could certainly be that individual pistol you have, no matter who manufactured it.
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Failure to eject has several possible causes, and more info is needed to do more than just guess.

My first impulse is to try something different, first, different ammo. Then clean and lube the gun. Where do the empties land? Might need a different recoil spring. Try a different shooter, perhaps more experienced. Is your grip right?

If different shooters with different ammo get the same FTE, then probably the gun needs expert gunsmith attention.

We've experimented informally with different guns at the range to try to induce "limp wrist" FTE, and there is a difference. We found some that won't FTE even if held so lightly I almost drop the gun when fired.
I won't post results, since the sample is too small. Let's just say that several quality guns that are popular in IDPA, with well-matched ammo and springs, can be held very lightly without problems
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I have taken video and think that my technique could be better. I clean the Taurus at least every 200 rounds according to the manual instructions, have shot 800+ through it, also it is really picky about ammo. Remington - about 20% don't go bang. Cheap wwb and magtech are ok. It seems to like American Eagle best. I will use that this week and work on technique...and try to find a place to rent and try out a M&P.

My goal is to take pistol training and conceal carry class. My thought was to swap out this taurus for something not so sensitive about ammo. The S&W M&P9c fit my hand better. Second option would be a revolver, but I like to plink at targets and the gun store said the bodyguard revolver would be great for carry but not that great for much target shooting. Is that true?
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The compact pistols in 9mm are much more pleasant to shoot for extended range sessions when compare to the lightweight J frame revolvers.

I recommend the Glock 26 for a small, 9mm pistol. I would never trust my life to a pistol that has proven itself to have a 20% failure rate.

How will you be carrying the gun? I always, and I mean always keep a Glock in a holster if loaded and ready to go whereas I've carried a loaded and ready to go J frame without a holster depending on the situation.
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My thought was to swap out this taurus for something not so sensitive about ammo. The S&W M&P9c fit my hand better. Second option would be a revolver, but I like to plink at targets and the gun store said the bodyguard revolver would be great for carry but not that great for much target shooting. Is that true?
I have owned several Taurus pistols, but own none now. I didn't have any problems with them per se, but I didn't want to own a pistol from a manufacturer with both a higher incidence of problem firearms and a much worse record of customer service. I know any gun can have a problem, and some have had good results with their Taurus handguns...but they are not for me.

The M&P9c is a fine carry pistol, and comfortable to shoot as well. It is extremely reliable, and S&W's fantastic customer service will make it right if you should have a problem. If you are more interested in target shooting, you might want the full size M&P9, although that might be a bit big for carry, depending on your build. Another good pistol to consider is the SD9...it has great ergonomics, 16 + 1 capacity, 4" barrel, and is reasonably priced.

A small, J-frame revolver is great for concealed carry, but not so much fun for plinking.
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It is almost a must to stop limp wristing. Invest in a good instructor the help you overcome the problem. You will shoot better and have more fun.IMHO
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