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.45 Auto rim
OK been reloading for a few years and have reloaded quite a few .45ACP. But got tired of dealing with moon clips so put my name in for some star line 45 autorim brass. Came in last night and now the question?
Do you reload this brass the same as 45ACP? I will be shooting it thru my 625. Have mostly 230g jacket bullets. Use titegroup in the acp's. The 625 is awful accurate, about the best hand gun I shoot. Any help would be appreciated.
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I reload it the same as the .45 ACP (different shell-holder, of course), with the exception that the .45 AR sometimes gets much heavier loads and heavier bullets (since the OAL isn't as important). Oh, and weird rounds, too.
Sure do like the round.
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The .45 AR is nothing but the .45 ACP with a rim. Use the same data you would use with the ACP. There are some who venture in to somewhat stiffer loads in the AR -- I will not comment, as my loading is for a 1917 and I have no urge to push the envelope. I assume you know that you will need a different shell holder than the ACP?
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thanks for the quick response. Figured it would be the same or awful close. Guess the best way is to start where I load for the auto's and see what happens.
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The 45AR loads that I use can drive a 240gr LSWC to 1100fps from a 4" barrel. I use 45ACP cases and the bullet is never shot in a 45ACP semi-auto from this house. That way, I know that those bullets are for my M625JM only even if they are loaded to "pop gun" velocity.
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Good morning
I have loaded the 45 AR for about 20 years now on my model 1917. I have always used 45 ACP data. A quick look into my old Lyman cast book (1971) shows same data for both.
On the interesting side I think that short fat rimmed case is quit impressive to look at.
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I looked thru a couple of my reloading books and they all have the 45 auto rim loads a bit under the 45ACP. Example 230HP round using titegroup, ACP 4.4g -5.0 same bullet in Autorim 4.0 - 4.4g.
I have been shooting 45ACP w/moon clips out of the S&W 625 for years and used the same loads as my 45ACP? Is it something about the brass that makes them down load them? :confused
That is about 10%less powder for autorim
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I feel my 625 and Pre-26 are more accurate with Auto-Rim brass than with ACP brass.
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Since I cast, I really enjuoy the SAECO 225gr RNFP. Use 230 gr cast data and also use a roll crimp. Very accurate in my M22 and fun to shoot also.
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Originally Posted by bm51
I looked thru a couple of my reloading books and they all have the 45 auto rim loads a bit under the 45ACP. Example 230HP round using titegroup, ACP 4.4g -5.0 same bullet in Autorim 4.0 - 4.4g.
I have been shooting 45ACP w/moon clips out of the S&W 625 for years and used the same loads as my 45ACP? Is it something about the brass that makes them down load them? :confused
That is about 10%less powder for autorim
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...the 1917...that is what all those loads are based on for their Max. In a modern S&W .45 ACP revolver one can use .45 Super loading data. I have spoken to the techs at Buffalo Bore who said that they have a bunch of clients who use their Super loads in 625s. The tech I spoke with had fired hundreds of their Super ammo from his gun with no ill effects.
.45 AR 255 @ 1000 fps...
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...ct_detail&p=74
.45 Super..same bullet 1075 fps...
http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_detail&p=215
I have reloaded the AR for 30 years....some of the loads with 185 and 200 grain JHP bullets exceed 1300 fps...
Will you get accelerated wear, sure, but you get the same thing by shooting top end .44 Mags from a Model 29.
Try SR4756 powder...does great things for non-magnum rounds like the .45 AR, .45 Colt, .44 and .38 Special....
If you don't have one, buy or borrow a chronograph....
Bob
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You can also use a "# 25" H&S speed loader for you .45 AR. It works great.
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Does anyone have any min-max charge amounts using W231 powder with the 255 gr LSWC?
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I've put up identical loads in my 625 w/ AR brass & apc, vel are virtually identical. I do like being able to roll crimp heavy loads in the AR brass. My fav pushes a 250grLSWCHP @ 900fps from a 4" bbl. Expands nicely.
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"The .45 AR is nothing but the .45 ACP with a rim. Use the same data you would use with the ACP. There are some who venture in to somewhat stiffer loads in the AR -- I will not comment, as my loading is for a 1917 and I have no urge to push the envelope. I assume you know that you will need a different shell holder than the ACP?"
I agree completely. Just got a 25-2 and love it (50 rounds into "Zombie Bob's" head made one ragged hole at 20 yards.) I keep loads down because I also shoot a 1917 Colt and a 1917 S & W. I use lead to reduce barrel wear. Currently loading 200 gr semi-wadcutters (5 gr titegroup in MY GUNS!) but hitting a little low. Will likely go to 230 or 250 gr.
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I too reload for the 45AR. I also use a 230 FMJ and Titegroup out of my 625-8.
Accuracy is wonderful.
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Quote:
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"The .45 AR is nothing but the .45 ACP with a rim. Use the same data you would use with the ACP. There are some who venture in to somewhat stiffer loads in the AR -- I will not comment, as my loading is for a 1917 and I have no urge to push the envelope. I assume you know that you will need a different shell holder than the ACP?"
I agree completely. Just got a 25-2 and love it (50 rounds into "Zombie Bob's" head made one ragged hole at 20 yards.) I keep loads down because I also shoot a 1917 Colt and a 1917 S & W. I use lead to reduce barrel wear. Currently loading 200 gr semi-wadcutters (5 gr titegroup in MY GUNS!) but hitting a little low. Will likely go to 230 or 250 gr.
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Just a note, that bullet shown was shot in a 45colt for that vel. I'll run them around 840fps in my 45AR, they expand quite nicely, I just didn't take any pics of that one.
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I use the same loads , just switch shell plate on my Dillon 550B or shell holder on my single stage.
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You will need to raise up your die's also, due to the thickness of the auto rim case, or at least I did with my Dillon.
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Anyone using a 230-255 gr LSWC with Unique, W231, or Bullseye?
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I have used the 255 lswc in my AR but data is in the shop. Somewhere about 5gr of W231 but don't take that as gospel. I will PM u with my data later.
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This is copied from an earlier post I did:
This load came out of Speer number 13 manual and it was for a 250 grain lead bullet. Mine is 255 hornady lead cowboy bullet. Their starting load was 5.8 unique, max 6.2 at 824fps. I worked up to 6 even and called it good.
Also I didn't wanted to intrude too much into the case capacity and I wanted to shorten the gap to the throat. The throat jump in this gun is particularly long because the conversion to 45 ACP was done by removing some metal from the recoil shield instead of the back of the cylinder. So both of these issues lead me to seat the bullets out pretty far. I checked a 185 grain bullet depth to see how far it intruded into the case and I used that as a minimum.
Here's a normal 230 ball, my load and a 455 webley for comparison.
This is twelve shot, 6 at 10 paces, 6 at 25.
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I have used the 255 lswc in my AR but data is in the shop. Somewhere about 5gr of W231 but don't take that as gospel. I will PM u with my data later.
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