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Remington Model 700
Anybody see the CNBC show on the problem with some Remington Model 700's. Apparently some of them fire without the trigger being pulled. The problem has been going on since the '40's. It talked of numerous injuries and even deaths supposedly associated with the problem. I have had one for about 30 years and had never heard of this problem.
The 92 year old designer of the trigger mech. said that he had brought the problem to Remington's attention years ago and gave them a fix. The fix was going to cost 5.5 cents per gun. Remington decided not to do it. They say now the fix would cost about $75 per gun. This could translates to over $300 million if they did a recall.
It was a pretty interesting report and I will at least pay alot more attention to where the muzzle is pointing, when the gun is loaded (and unloaded), even if the safety is on. And before someone chastises me, I do this anyway.
What say yea?
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05-30-2011, 07:21 PM
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CNBC is controlled by liberal gun-haters, so they are going to trump up anything anti-gun that they can. I currently own two M700's and have owned numerous others over the years. Never had a problem!
I think the Remington web site has a rebutal video (???).
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05-30-2011, 07:22 PM
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well at least its only up to 2002
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05-30-2011, 07:40 PM
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i think the whole thing smells about like the toyota deal. i am 50 years old, and have been a member of a hunting family my whole life. i currently own 5 remington 700s from .223 to .338 lapua, and i have never even heard of anybody, that anyone in my whole family has heard of, that even knew anyone that had ever had a problem with one of them.
i am just not convinced that the sky is falling!
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05-30-2011, 07:42 PM
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it is a known issue but apparently not a common one
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05-30-2011, 07:43 PM
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http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/...c-tonight.html
... and the 700 was introduced in the 1960's. I love 'em!
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There was several long threads when the program first aired. I sent mine back and had the trigger replaced.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/...k-factory.html
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It was a well done story ... it only tripped my BS meter through 60% of the pile.
What they wont bore you with are the little details like manufacturing tolerances. I can only speculate, but it sounds to me like a dull, chipped or faulty end mill at any time in its production could cause some slack in affected production guns. I believe the designer was trying to address the 5.5 cent solution to safeguard against that real world production fact. I suspect some are truly susceptible to the issue .. I also believe most are not. I also believe the source of the story is by far more faulty than that percentage of suspect M700's
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I will happen with the Remington 700 trigger when Bubba trys to adjust it to make it a 2 oz trigger pull. All he has to do then is to set the safety and pull the trigger hard then flip the safety off and on until it goes bang.
I have had my gunsmith modify the safety/trigger so I can open the bolt with the safety on. I did this because sometimes I let other people use my gun.
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Old..old...old history that CNBC has dragged to the surface for whatever reason.
First I heard of the Rem 700 trigger issue...some lady had accidently/negligently rifled off her teenage son through an RV trailer when she flicked the safety off her rifle to unload it...that's been years and years back.
Next I heard of the deal...a guy shot his wife/gf when his rifle started to fall off his shoulder and he grabbed it...he wasn't for sure if he 'accidently pulled the trigger' while trying to restrain the rifle's fall or not...he sued anyhow.
Sometime after that...and before 1999..Remingtgon changed the safety so it doesn't lock the bolt closed...allowing the rifles to be unloaded on safe.
CNBC should do a special on Ford Pinto rear end collisions and resulting fuel tank fires...they just pandering to the anti-gun liberals
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This story was aired months ago........
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I saw that show. The most interesting part to me was a video of military users just touching the bolt and not touching the trigger and having it fire.
If somebody screws up a product - car, drug, or gun - we should call them on it and not get defensive about it. A rifle has two big functions - shoot when you want it to, and not shoot when you don't. If you screw up the second part - especially in the 80's and 90's...you deserve what's coming to you.
The engineer says he had a cheap safety measure that they ignored? A company like that is too stupid to be in business.
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