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Old 03-11-2012, 10:49 PM
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The Walmart was too crowded today, so we opted to take the children to Target instead. Strangely, their industrial size boxes of diapers (now 156 count!) are quite the value. A trip to Target generally means a trip to Barnes and Noble too. The boys like the train table, and I like a chance to get my Fortean Times and other magazines that you just don't find in a town without a full service bookstore. (Such as where I live....)

When it was my wife's turn to watch the boys at the train table, apparently a little blonde girl came along and starting bossing around our four year old son Liam. My wife used the word bullying. Apparently he tried to give her a train to play with, but she wanted a certain one and tried to tell him what tracks he could run on etc.

I naturally said "Eh, might as well get used to it, welcome to my life." "What's that supposed to mean?"

Anyway... The middle child Brody didn't enjoy this so picked up a random book and brought it to my wife to look at pictures.

Apparently it was a book about animals. When he saw the picture of a pig he said "Piggies eat people, so we shoot them in the head and eat them."

Where upon my wife told Brody he was right and that that's where bacon, ham, pork chop and other foods he loves comes from. Then she pointed to the cow and asked what came from that.

"Hamburger!" Brody said.

The little girl looked at my wife in horror, as though she'd seen a ghost or something and stammered "Does hamburger really come from cows?"

My wife simply nodded and patted Brody on the head and said "Yes, that's right, those cute little moo cows get made into hamburger."

Apparently valuable life lessons were learned all around. Shrug. I probably shouldn't leave my wife unattended, she doesn't play well with others. Eh, I didn't do it.

Apparently most kids really don't know where meat comes from these days?
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Old 03-11-2012, 10:53 PM
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I don't know about "most" kids, but my five year old knows. When I go to the woods, he tells me to bring back a deer to eat. I haven't quite gotten around to explaining hunting seasons to him yet.
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My daughter must have watched me clean and process 50 deer between her 5th and 15th birthday. It became a tradition for her to sit and talk to me while I was cleaning the deer I, my brother, and my nephew had killed.

When she was about 4-5 years old, I bought a litter of pigs to feed out on some corn I had grown. I would take her with me when I fed them and lift her over the electric fence I had containing them. She quickly made pets of them. I became concerned that she would be upset when we started butchering the hogs. I tried to tactfully bring the subject up one day as we were driving away from the pen. I casually pointed out a 175 lb pig and said, "That red pig looks like he would have some tender ribs." Instead of being horrified, my daughter looked at me and said, "Let's kill him!"
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When her kids were little, my sister would often have a young goat, or calf or pig which she would raise for the purpose of turning it into meat. But up until the fatal day, the cute little critter would enjoy pet status, and the kids would invariably grow fond. To make sure that didn't go too far, my sister always took care to name the animal something like "Snack" or "Sausage", so there was no mistake about just why the adorable little bugger was being kept around.
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My wife had a co-worker who quit drinking milk when she found out where it came from. We may have have moved too far from the farm.
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Some people think meat comes from the meat factory where they mix the correct chemicals, amino acids, vegatable proteins, put them into the correct molds and Voila, Meat. The same people probably have no idea that the produce that magically shows up at teh supermarket was in a dirty farmers field a few days earlier.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:11 AM
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Wait a minute!!!!! They have a train table at B&N ?!?!?!?! I have to get back to the kids section and check it out!

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Years ago I was in the garage cleaning a pair of wood ducks. I had finished one and was starting the other when the door opened and the wife shoved our youngest daughter out into the garage with a, "Here you watch her, she is driving me crazy." Next thing I know five year old Kory is walking around the garage with a duck head moving the bill up and down, going, "Quack, quack, quack.",
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I'm giving away my age here, but when I was little 5-6 yrs old my Mother would drop me off at the butcher's to baby-sit for me while my Mother had other things to do. He would put me up on a very tall stainless steel stool that I couldn't get off of that was right next to the cracklin press. When the cracklins were pressed he would throw some up on the counter right in front of me to gnaw on.

This was close to the killing pen too. He would bring in a steer, and shoot it in the head with a .22. Then would haul it up on a block and tackle, and proceed with the butchering process. I learned very early where meat came from.

Most of the butcher shops like that are long gone today. In my area anyway.

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Old 03-12-2012, 10:17 AM
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Let's cling to our God and our guns and stop sending the semis laden with food into the cities for a couple of weeks. Would the elitists in the big cities develope a new respect for where their food comes from? Perhaps they should be required to come and pick their own soybeans and process their tofu by hand.
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When we were small boys my brothers and I fed the hogs. Each year my father and another gentleman would slaughter the hogs. It was routine. My wife said her family did the same thing. She and her brother and sister named the two hogs Bacon and Sausage! Times have changed. 71% of America no longer lives on a farm but in a suburb or in a city. Meat is not raised in a pen but bought in a store. And some folks now find the thought of "where meat comes from" unpleasant and such discussions indelicate. Maybe Sesame Street needs to have a new character... maybe a butcher.
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What, no pictures of the train table ?
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:33 AM
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But......... On the other hand if folks actually saw where commercial meat and chicken are raised and processed there probably would be more vegetarians around. It ain't those pretty Styrofoam trays and clear plastic wrap.
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Some people think meat comes from the meat factory where they mix the correct chemicals, amino acids, vegatable proteins, put them into the correct molds and Voila, Meat. The same people probably have no idea that the produce that magically shows up at teh supermarket was in a dirty farmers field a few days earlier.
Have you seen the "pink slime" story?!? They may be right!

I remember the process calving, creating steers (oh, the horror!), feeding them out and butchering them. The butcher came to get the steer, which he killed and "field dressed" in our lot. I always had to go to the house to get the big stainless steel bowl for the heart, liver, etc. and take them back to Grandma in the kitchen.

Beef. It's what's for dinner.
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I took my son antelope hunting when he was about 5 or 6. I found a goat someone had shot and left, he was barely alive hung up in a barded wire fence, I then finished him off. I chased down the other vehicles in the area and asked if they had lost a goat, nope, so I went back and tagged him and was starting to gut him. My son had never seen that done before so to make sure I wasn't upsetting him I made it an anatomy lesson, showing him the various organs and explaining what they were. I didn't know how this was going over until he asked me if he could have a cookie, and munched away while I was gutting. I figured he wasn't traumatized by the event. My kids were used to seeing deer, antelope, and game birds being cleaned, the only time I caught any grief was over a cottontail I shot, that didn't go over very well with them!
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What's everone talking about...Pork, chicken and hamburger come from Costco, right?
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when i was going to grade school, every year the field trip was to the john morrell plant in our town. they did everything,including making dog food. to this day i won't eat hotdogs. we called them mystery meat.
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What silly people. Around these parts, everybody knows meat comes from the Publix. Just ask. Joe
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Nice, I was just taking the last bite of my hotdog when I read this.
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My wife was a city gal. We moved from New Orleans to a town of 6,000.
When my oldest two were 4-5 or thereabouts-I took them on a rabbit "hunt". they sat in the back of the pick up truck with their friends of about the same age (also birthed from city moms) and as we shot the bunnies we would toss them in the truck. (we were close by shooting behind the bush hog ). Anyway during a pause in the hunting I looked over and they were having a rabbit fight throwing dead rabbits at each other. (Yea I know-tulemia and all that-but it was cold in January). Dads thought it was cute-moms were mortified-kids had a blast.
As far as ducks-my kids learned early on that you could squeeze them just right and get one last quack out of them
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If it tastes good just eat it. Don't ask what it is.
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When I was a kid, my father and uncle harvested some oysters and brought them home. They were opening them up, pouring on some hot sauce and gulping them down. My aunt was in the process of swallowing one when my cousin said "Look out mommy, you are going to kill it!" She said that it paused on the way down and she could not eat any more. I fell down laughing.
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The first time I took my city raised wife to the family farm we had pretty much the same experience as most. I was picking pears off the tree and cutting them in half, she had cows lined up feeding them pear halves.

"How could you name something, raise it, then kill it and eat it?" she asked.

"Name them?" I replied. "That's what the tags are for. That 175, that 315, that one is ... 76"

To this day she won't eat beef at my Grandparents house.
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when i was going to grade school, every year the field trip was to the john morrell plant in our town. they did everything,including making dog food. to this day i won't eat hotdogs. we called them mystery meat.
Around here, one finds chorrizo, and tripas, and other stuff comprised of animal by-products that most of us would regard as unsavory, unplalatable, unappetizing, or downright disgusting. But, I don't think anyone has any illusions or misconceptions that this stuff grows on trees...

What was the difference between the dogfood ingredients, and hotdogs? Which species ended up with superior ingredients? Or, was this simply a matter of which bits did, or did not, fall on the floor, turn green before processing, cause alighting flies to keel over Tango Uniform, or etc.?
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Just think about where eggs come from. Now meat don't sound so bad do it.

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jkc- you have the right idea.the disgusting parts were put in the machine to make hotdogs. the REALLY disgusting stuff and anything else left over went to the canned dog food. they took us to the slaughter area one time. even some of the teachers couldn't handle it. they shot the animals with a single shot 22 when i was there,then we heard they went to electric shock and that was worse to watch.
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I remember as a kid growing up my grandfather used to raise rabbits, pigs and a few other animals. I remember when my sisters and I went up one weekend and even though they were older than me they seemed to have a harder time understanding about the animals. Since it was the fall it was that time of year and they asked my grandfather where the bunnies went. His response was simple, "the freezer." Needless to say that was not the best answer for them. I can still remember watching him hand his pig from the bucket of his tractor and butchering it that way.
About two or three weeks ago I had one woman at work (not everyone in LE can appreciate hunting and certainly not firearms in the home) nearly have a stroke when I told her that my 2 1/2 year old son loves the taste of venison. This woman, about 25 first had to ask what venison was, and then I replied with the answer. I will make sure my son knows what animals provide and that they are not the cute Disney characters that most kids see on TV. I would rather have them learn it early then try to teach it to them later on.
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This thread reminded me of a quotation from Bismarck: "Those who have respect for the laws, and for sausage, should not watch either being made." Larry
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This thread reminded me of a quotation from Bismarck: "Those who have respect for the laws, and for sausage, should not watch either being made." Larry
My late father was once the Deputy Director of Michigan's Department of Agriculture, and acted as its legislative liaison. When the department became concerned about quality and general health issues surrounding processed meats, it persuaded the legislature to set certain standards for commutated meat and etc., including hot dogs and sausages and such. Most name brand producers of such products were located in other states, Indiana, Ohio, and so forth. They sued, successfully, claiming that under the commerce clause of the federal constitution (the clause cited to support taxes on Title 2 weapons, suppressors, etc.) that the states had no authority to regulate the standards for food moving in interstate commerce.

So, my father proposed a new state statute, promulgating the original standards, requiring any vendor, at any point of sale, to display a huge (4'x8', as I recall) notice/sign declaring that the products on offer did not meet the Michigan standards for such products. This display requirement was deemed to apply even to the hotdog hawkers at Tiger Stadium... Faced with this, all the vendors complied with the rigorous Michigan standards.

I still advise against eating hotdogs or anything similar, unless of course, you're already dieing of something much worse...
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I still advise against eating hotdogs or anything similar, unless of course, you're already dieing of something much worse...
A look inside any food processing plant of any kind, or any restaurant kitchen for that matter, is enough to make a guy swear off eating altogether. Strangely, I still have an appetite.
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my grandpa on my mothers side of the family was raised on a farm and one of his many jobs was slaughtering hogs and he has told me many times over the years about the whole slaughtering process and to be honest i thought it was fascinating.
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when in the observation deck watching a spinal surgury when i was younger, two classmates watched in fasination, as the surgury ended both suggested we hit the hotdog stand on campus. still sitting there, i thought both would throw up as i told them where hotdogs came from and how they were made...go figure.....
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