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Old 07-24-2012, 10:54 PM
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Unhappy so is anyone really worried that our guns could one day be illegal?

the question stands..... id like to keep my gun and between the happenings in CO and what im hearing about the UN ****.... im starting to get a little nervous


btw... im not a political person so please lets keep the political blame out of this post and focus on whether or not we might lose our stuff...
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:31 PM
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starting their big push, & they mean business this time. They are pullin' out all the stops. The only way to stop them is to vote. I fear the count will be a circus.

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I personally disagree with some of the NRA's agenda, but I am still a member. The NRA has grown to become the 500lb gorilla in the political arena advocating the recognition and preservation of 2nd amendment rights.

That being said, I'm also a member of the 2nd Amendment Foundation and my State's rifle organization.

I'm worried that one day civilian firearms ownership may, one day, be prohibited. If that day ever comes, I'll pack up and move just like some British ex-pat firearms enthusiasts did when Great Britian severely curtailed civilian gun ownership priveleges.
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If you enjoy your guns, do what you can (within rule of law!) to make sure you can keep them. I was born and grew up in England, a country with no 2nd Amendment, but with a tradition of gun ownership by law abiding individuals.
It took one pedophile to make all handguns in the UK illegal. You have to accept all sorts of government intrusion to legally own a rifle or shotgun over there. Do NOT let that happen here. The government's job is not to tell any of us what firearm we can have in our own home.
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Not going to happen without a 2/3 majority vote in congress.
As to the banning by our Government, I doubt it as well.
Except for a few dingbats (the usual names) most congresscritters realize it's a death knell for their carreer.
And regardless of party, they don't want to comit political suicide and lose their cushy and profitable lifestyles.
Most of what you hear about banning firearms or hi cap mags is nothing more than window dressing.
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Yes.

It has already started and will continue to gain momentum.

We live in a world where people believe what they see and hear in fictional show like CSI and Law and Order. So people believe that guns can do things that they really can't do and they believe what TV says about gun laws, gun buyers and gun related statistics.

Magazine bans. Ammo bans. Eventually, it can all lead to a total ban for real.
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Nope, never going to happen. What are they going to do write us all checks and buy our guns back? They cant just take them! Besides even if they do ban "assault rifles" it will just be like last time where they just wont allow any more manufacturing of them or hi caps.
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Old 07-25-2012, 02:37 AM
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The problem is the anti gunners think banning guns (starting with scary looking semi- auto rifles and mags with too many bullets) will make them safer. They really don't understand that "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.) and the public will be a bunch of sheep without sheepdogs , and the wolves will have [I]nothing[I]to stop them except whining victims. The best we can do is support the NRA( and NO, I don't agree with [I]everything[I] they say) and bombard your politicians relentlessly. they want to keep their meal ticket and that means doing what their employers(US) want.
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Nope, never going to happen. What are they going to do write us all checks and buy our guns back? They cant just take them! Besides even if they do ban "assault rifles" it will just be like last time where they just wont allow any more manufacturing of them or hi caps.
Ask the Brits and Aussies about getting paid for the guns they had to turn in. Gun owners are fools if they think it can't happen here! If they want them they will come and get them and you WON"T get paid for them either. How many do you think are going to get into a fire fight with the authorities - city, state, or federal when they come for your guns? If gun owners don't wake up and get out and vote this election there may be no reason to vote in the next election, slaves won't have the power to vote.
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:32 AM
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As previously mentioned, there is no way to keep politics out of a discussion about the possibility of losing guns rights.

As a long time resident of CA that has watched anti-gun politicians and organizations conspire sucessfully to cause what has transpired over the previous decades, to deny Californian's the same firearm freedoms that you all enjoy and now express fear about losing them... my best word of advice is "Don't allow yourself to become complacent" by thinking or allowing yourself to be led into believing that it can't possibly happen in your state or the U.S.

I'm not being a chicken little alarmist... it's what I've lived through and watched happen in California.

Apathy... caused people to decide not to vote in mid-year elections, leaving only a minority (10-15%) of the voting public to decide key ballot measures or elect/keep a gun adverse politician into office.

Apathy... caused people to choose not let their politicians know what their vote could bring them come time for re-election by expressing their opinions directly, or at the very least, by joining the NRA (or the Second amendment of their choice) and let them be their voice.

There are approximately 4.3 million NRA members, it's estimated that there is between 200 - 300 million gun owners in the US... why aren't those numbers closer to each together?

At the county and local level, I've witnesses and have been a part of what can happen when gun owners stand up and speak out in large enough numbers, intellengently with clear reasoning, not emotionally... politicians will hear the message and back down.

California once had no waiting periods, no restrictions on the type of firearms we could own or buy, no risk of losing our ability to obtain the type of ammo we want or being limited in the amount purchased or posessed.

And the biggest insult of them all... we had no gun dealers or individuals from out of state throwing us under the bus by flat out refusing to sell any firearms to California, regardless of it being one of the legal ones for us to have... playing right into the hands of the anti-gunners by doing their dirty work for them.

Learn from California people... don't assume that it can't happen elsewhere, it will if you let it. Losing your guns rights will likely occurr at the State level first, before coming down from the Federal level, like it did with us.
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:33 AM
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No ......... not so much illegal as "not yet approved".

What they do is this.........

They say "we don't want your guns ....... we just want you to have safe guns" so you don't hurt yourself or others with them.
Heck .... nobody can argue against not allowing unsafe firearms to be sold here in River City!!
Then they pass laws that say only guns that can pass an imposed safety inspection can be sold, lent, given, willed, used, possessed, bought, sold and etc. in the lovely community of River City.
They establish reasonable criteria for the inspections and it all looks pretty good to everyone ....... that isn't paying attention to this insidious tactic.

Because they only fund the verification department so a guy named Bob has the resources to verify the testing for one gun every other week between the hours of 1 and 3 PM.
But, once a gun is tested, passes and Bob verifies it, it does get on the roster of approved guns that are allowed to be sold, well ........ 'maybe' ...... eventually.

But .... to make double dog sure that the gun makers don't go slackin on the safety features, the approval for each gun (and it's placement on the roster) has an expiration, and the testing has to start all over again, which further strains the resources that Bob has to do the verifying, which in turn creates an even larger backlog .... Oh Dear!!

A scenario very much like this is now playing out in the Peoples Rebublik of Kalifornia ........ and you can bet it's coming soon to a state near you ............
And all while they keep us busy looking in the direction of them showing up at our doors and taking our guns ....... after deleting the second.

They don't need to take our guns, and they don't need to smash the second ......... the just need (and are) "helping us" by making guns safer for us.
They don't even have to ban something because it's not safe.
Just make it not available on the roster until it's tested ........ then don't ever get around to verifying it, so you can't lend, give, will, borrow, use, posses, buy, sell ........... and when you pass away, so does your gun ............ or it makes you heirs a bunch of outlaws.

And after a while (as Bob gets old, slow and feeble, and we get more safety conscious) only a weak assed .22 short, single shot, bolt action, 15 lb gun with roll bars, safety screens, a first aid kit ...... and safety interlocks that use a GPS so that it will only shoot in areas with a population density of less than the Antarctic, will get tested, verified and be available on the roster of approved guns for sale ........ and only after 5 years in testing (if ever) whilst carrying a $4K state firearm safety tax (to pay for the testing verification don'tcha know).

You can use the internet to see what guns are and (by omission) are not on the California roster, as well as the expiration date for the ones that are on it.
The make and models of guns not on it does not make any sense.
It is just what it is .... a very sneaky way to take guns away from us under the guise of helping us.

Nope ......... no need to infringe on the second here, just going about the government's work of "helping" the people to buy and use safe and sane firearms.

And I'm sure given a little time, even the slow minded lib's will muster enough brain power to come up with other similar and benign looking ways to get past creating an outcry that would be the result of them going about something as blatant as doing away with the second and/or coming to your home to get your guns.

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Old 07-25-2012, 03:43 AM
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the question stands..... id like to keep my gun and between the happenings in CO and what im hearing about the UN ****.... im starting to get a little nervous


btw... im not a political person so please lets keep the political blame out of this post and focus on whether or not we might lose our stuff...
And that's the problem. If you don't get involved politically and vote for pro-gun candidates and donate to pro-gun organizations, you have no one to blame but yourself as the liberals take more and more of our freedoms and rights away.
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:44 AM
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Nope if they tried to take our guns from us it may trigger a civil war. I'll tell ya all now they are not getting mine!!! With that being said there has to be a better way to regulate sales from whackos, what that is I don't know. The gov't needs to enforce "current" gun laws and not try to re-invent the wheel and make new laws. I do see them banning automatic weapons and high cap. mags. I just hope the criminals get the memo about new gun control laws and follow them.....Yeah right!

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Old 07-25-2012, 07:19 AM
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There is NO Way they can keep guns or any other weapon for that matter out of the hands of bad guys PERIOD. The anti gun people know this and realize the only recourse is to ban all guns. If you are gullible enough to believe that this can't happen in the US then they have already won you over. Of course this can happen and the government has no intention of "paying" you for the guns you own. The ONLY recourse is to align yourself with an organization who has big political muscle. That would be the NRA. If you are not a member and not registered to vote you are NOT one of us. Just do it!
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:28 AM
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a gun is no good w/ out ammo,so stock up...........buy guns from your friends,co-workers etc w/ no paper trail,...should that crazy day ever come,they can't take what does'nt exist.....and vote.
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:10 AM
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To answer the OP's question: NO I do not believe guns will be illegal.

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I am 100% in agreement with this poster in regards to the NRA.
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A previous poster mentioned the disparity of gun owners vs. NRA members.

As a long time NRA member and also a member of three local gun/sportsmen clubs I feel the NRA loses members due to its incessant mailers, phone calls and emails asking for ILA donations. I ignore most of them, donating what/when I can. Many former members don't have thick enough skins for this and drop their memberships, which is sad since we really do need the "500LB GORILLA" in our corner on Capitol Hill.

My biggest fear has become ammunition bans. The anti's are coming at ammo on all fronts, political, environmental, medical and social. We need to watch our backs, fronts and flanks closely and let our elected officials know, with no doubt we are serious about keeping our RIGHT to keep and bear arms!
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Do I believe it? I am skeptical. I know who isn't skeptical,..... Jews, Russians, Poles, Cubans, Cambodians, and the Chicoms. KNow why? They all lost their gun rights and MILLIONS of them perished because they could not defend themselves from oppressive dictators. Just my two cents.
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Flyer91... well said. I never thought I'd see our complicated "dangerous firearms" and roster nonsense being put into such simple terms where just about anyone can get the jist of how insidious it can be without an actual ban.

They tried it before and I'm sure another run will be made in restricting ammo.... I can hear the politicians now, "ANYONE can own a firearm, after all it's your Second Amendment right and we wouldn't want to stand in front of that... but ammo, well now Sonny... there's nothing in the Constitution regarding a right to have ammo for them there shootin' irons, but tell you what, we'll let you buy a bullet a month until you fill the one 5rd magazine you'll be allowed, and we'll call it the Barney Fife fair ammo distribution act...fair enough???".
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Old 07-26-2012, 03:15 AM
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Yes,It could happen here within the next four years, depending on the next election.

Look at what happened in South Africa, Zimbabwe, England, Australia, and Canada...
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The Pres just came out and voiced his "Ak47's belong on the battlefield, not the streets of some city." Here we go.

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Yes Really. I do not agree with the assult weapons ban of course but people were still able to legally buy AR-15s and hi capacity mags. It was an inconvenience and more expensive but they were certainly obtainable.

As far as my other comments about them not being able to take them, it would take an unrealistic amount of resourses to go around this country and confiscate guns. This is not Australia, America is more densely populated.
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I'm really worried that they keep trying chip away gun rights here & there . From what I have read working on 1st amen. also . Get everyone you known to vote .
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starting their big push, & they mean business this time. They are pullin' out all the stops. The only way to stop them is to vote. I fear the count will be a circus.

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I have ancestors from England, and ancestors too, my great great grandmother a member of the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution). They fought for independance and the right to keep and bear arms is a right derived from God, not from government. So if the rule of law makes one an outlaw because of their guns, then I would become an outlaw. I do not recognize the UN nor the authority of anyone to outlaw guns. Where they are outlawed, plenty of criminals carrying them. I suspect that Texans would never allow anyone nor any entity to confiscate their guns. As for me, I am a law abiding citizen, till such time gun confiscation begins.
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While it is important to keep a vigilance on 2nd Amendment rights, there are other avenues that politicians are taking to serve the same purpose of nullifying firearms, and they pose more of a serious threat.

I'm talking about attacking components needed for a firearm to be functional that are not constitutionally protected.

How many people here remember the AR-15 auto-sear? I don't remember the exact mechanics of it, but it was a drop in part that was for the most part, virtually eliminated, without any new laws... the BATF simply made a ruling that the auto-sear fit the definition of a "machine gun" as defined in the National Firearms Act (NFA) enacted in 1934.

Right now in California, we are in a dog fight with a bill making it's way through the CA Senate (SB249) that was purported to address a particular style of magazine release by making it illegal to sell or posses. But as written, the law's wording is so badly done (intentionally or not) that the description of the parts being made illegal, would apply to parts already in use by a wide range of semi-auto firearms.

We've also had legislation regarding ammo sales that was to go into effect, was thankfully set aside by an 11th hour court ruling on a legal challenge filed by pro-gun factions.

These are just some examples of what can be thrown at firearm owners by anti-gun legislators attempting to turn guns into paper weights without infringing on anyone's 2nd Amendment rights.
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We need to make it our job to be politically involved. My senators and representative and candidates for those offices know precisely where I stand on issues that are important to me. the first of them being the 2nd ammendment.
If they want their job and want me to vote for them they need to tell me exactly where they stand on these issues and if they will vote with their conviction or by party affilitiation. If you haven't done likewise, you haven't done your homework. You have until November to pin them down. Now get to work!
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Right now in California, we are in a dog fight with a bill making it's way through the CA Senate (SB249) that was purported to address a particular style of magazine release by making it illegal to sell or posses. But as written, the law's wording is so badly done (intentionally or not) that the description of the parts being made illegal, would apply to parts already in use by a wide range of semi-auto firearms.
You're right about SB249 and its consequences to CA gun owners. I've read the proposed bill and, like you said, some of the wording is vague. For instance; the bills author wants manufacturers to stop putting "bullet buttons" on "assault weapons" but doesn't say anything else. I have bullet buttons on my weapons and would love to swap them out for a regular mag release button which, for now, is part of CA's assault weapon ban list. And to think, SB249 started life as an agriculture bill.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:44 PM
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Someone here posted that traditionally there is one party that is anti 2A, but I don't think we can accurately state this any longer. Not judging by statements and votes of a lot of our traditional friends during the last decade. To me this argument is no longer factual.
I am not really worried, because first of all I think Heller will become one of the best tools in our political arsenal, if not the best of all. The question becomes, what will the current and future courts consider to be "reasonable restrictions?"
The U.N.? Again, I am not worried, because by law any treaty entered in to by the USA can NOT circumvent constitutional law, and all treaties must be ratified by the US Senate with a 2/3rds majority. They don't have the majority at all, and I think those who might otherwise be inclined to vote in favor will remember the price they paid for being anti 2A a decade ago. They are too busy trying to keep their jobs these days.
None of this is to say I have my guard down, nothing could be further than the truth.

I think the biggest threat we face in the foreseeable future is mass shootings. Eventually the majority of Americans with no particular pro 2A axe to grind are going to have enough of them, or something so awful will happen that overnight a tsunami of opposition will form against us. Should we wait for that to happen? Personally I don't believe it is in our best interests to sit inactive on the topic of mass shootings in the USA.
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I don't think it will happen soon,but as this country becomes more urbanized it could happen.The antigun attitudes in the northeast and left coast will spread with a growing population.
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As previously mentioned, there is no way to keep politics out of a discussion about the possibility of losing guns rights.
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Matter of fact, it is almost a rhetorical "yes or no" question.
There will always be people who believe society would be violence free if guns were removed.
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Ask the Brits and Aussies about getting paid for the guns they had to turn in. Gun owners are fools if they think it can't happen here! If they want them they will come and get them and you WON"T get paid for them either.
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I think the biggest threat we face in the foreseeable future is mass shootings. Eventually the majority of Americans with no particular pro 2A axe to grind are going to have enough of them, or something so awful will happen that overnight a tsunami of opposition will form against us.
This is one of my biggest fears too.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:13 PM
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I see it this way: the Antis and the 2A boosters are locked in an unending game that is being played out in its entirety between the 40-yard lines. Sometimes the Antis get a little deeper into the 2A half of the field, and sometimes the 2A supporters push the antis a few yards back into theirs. Nobody will ever get near either set of goal posts. The Antis will never succeed in banning all firearms, though they will have occasional (and maybe even frequent) annoying minor successes that let them feel as though they are approaching that goal; the 2A guys will never achieve unfettered firearm rights but will occasionally (as in the last few years) unwind some of the victories the Antis have achieved and restore some sense on a national level to the core issues.

And that's the future: decades of metaphorical trench warfare in which both sides will expend huge amounts of money and energy on a continuing basis to see which side will be able -- for the moment -- to claim control of a few yards of combat zone that formerly belonged to the people they consider the opposition.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:53 PM
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I think the antis are finally figuring it out.

We've always said:

"Guns don't kill people . . . people do."

BUT they've finally seen through the smokescreen to realize:

"Guns don't kill people . . . BULLETS do."

Beware . . . one day ammo may be illegal and they won't be offering you any money to buy back your boat anchors and paperweights.

Folks, stay in it for the long haul.
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A lot of you were not around when Emanual Cellar, Peter Rodino, Thomas Dodd, Howard Metzenbaum and others were heading the battle to take our firearms. Charles Schumer, Frank lautenberg, Dick Durbin, Jack Reed and others have taken their place. Little has changed. We have to take individual responsibility and join and contribute to good pro-gun organizations, support and vote for pro-gun candidates, write to your elected officials and write letters to your newspaper editorial pages. It is our fight to lose and doing nothing but talking among ourselves will not win any battles.
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Those of you that are sayin' " they can't do that " or "they can't just take 'em" are in for a rude awakening. They can do just about anything they want. They've stacked most of the fed courts with judges that give the government their way. Throw firearms in, and it's almost certain you come out the loser.

They are gonna wait & win the election, sign the UN treaty. If it doesn't get ratified, they'll pull some executive order shenanigans { turn 'em in} All the while, wrecking the economy. The people won't comply, Hilary will go to the UN council & say " we mean to honor the treaty, but we need help to confiscate the guns" Because they "signed" the UN will come to help.

Bottom line, nobody cares about our individual rights. We are bein' sold out by these traitors that are supposed to be lookin' out for us.

Duece n a half roles up your driveway, & they start pilin' out, what are you gonna do?

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Old 08-15-2012, 11:49 PM
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They can take my guns from my dead hands. Our ancestors shed blood and gave their lives for our freedom and our rights. Its only fair for me to go down fighting for the same things that they also went down for.

If a man hasn't found something in life worth dying for; Then he isn't fit to live.
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The future is never certain. I believe the anti-gun advocates will never stop pushing their agenda using any means necessary...
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Old 08-16-2012, 02:40 PM
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I'm uncertain about the future of our once-wonderful country and its Second Amendment. I do think that voting in the upcoming election would be the better part of wisdom for gun owners like myself who feel that the right to keep and bear arms is an intrinsic, inalienable right, not a priviledge to be conferred at any level of government.

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Old 08-16-2012, 02:45 PM
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To a baby-boomer like me, the argument against guns is so ludicrous, I wonder why people spend any time on it. Guns are inaminate objects that have no ability to load themselves, aim themselves, or fire themselves--people have to do those things. In the 60s when I was in high school, when I got off the bus to go to class, I walked past unlocked pickups with loaded .30-30s and 12 guage shotguns in the racks of their back windows and never thought twice about it. Try that anywhere near a school these days and you'd better be getting ready for a drastic change of address.

We didn't think of the guns of the 1960s as ever being used against a human being; at least most of us didn't. Those guns were implements not unlike hoes or shovels--tools used on a farm or ranch. The hearts (attitudes) of people were very different in those days.

IMHO there is a lot less brotherly love these days, compared to the 60s. The problem is not in the availability of firearms--it's in the hearts of people. It's a different world out there today.

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Old 08-16-2012, 03:49 PM
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I remember from history how the British once told a group of Southerners to disarm or face the consequences. The British sent a force to uphold this ultimatum and it didn't work as planned. In our country there are millions of households that have possessed guns for many generations. We live in the 21st Century, not the 18th, but some things (such as amendments to the Constitution) are not up for negotiation...period.
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It's possible. All that is required for gun-grabbers to prevail is for good gun owners to do nothing.

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Old 08-16-2012, 09:14 PM
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Nope. Next question?
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Several of my guns are already illegal in New Jersey, New York, and California. It doesn't take much to deem a particular gun "illegal" at the whim of the current government, whether state or federal. Don't be so complacent. Stones, and rights, erode one drip at a time...
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Yes........ I am. It's happened before in other countries. If the U.N. has it's way we're next.
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The Supreme Court is a concern for gun owners. If one of the sensible members is replaced by another fruitcake they can do a lot of damage.
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I agree, we must speak out with facts not slogans. We must not let our passion turn to anger, they will take that anger and portray it as rage. Some of us are our own worst enemys. It is not enough to visit the "safe" places on the net such as this to discuss these issues. You must go into the lions den and speak to those that will mock and vilify you. If you choose to do so do not forget that at that time you represent all of us. Do not allow yourself to be draw into endless debate with fools ( remember that to those just looking on they will soon not be able to tell whos who) State the facts, do not post "facts" that you have not checked out, they will be on you for the slightest mistake, painting you as a liar, a fool or both. Remember on the internet that the vast majority just read, they do not actively participate in the discussions but often they are impacted by those that do. You will have much greater impact by stating your case and moving on than allowing yourself to be draw into a pissing contest. The one who keeps his cool and is able express his ideas backed up by solid fact comes out on top.......not with the kool aid drinker you are talking to but with the quite lurker. Their #s are legion.
Anyone who thinks that the 2nd is secure forever is fooling themselves.. the founders knew that the only way to keep our freedoms was to stay vigilant and stand your ground! If you are up to it pick a liberal news out let, do not go unarmed get your facts straight, then wade in.
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