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I have always been a fan of the .32 Caliber round in a S&W revolver. Sadly, most of the Current or Past reloading Data for this round is at best Anemic with average Velocities of 700-795 FPS. They also show most Loads shot with Lead Bullets of which I am not a fan of either.When I acquired a Pre-16 K-32 Masterpiece I was sent a couple of articles on New Hope for this Old Classic round with Much higher velocities than I had ever seen for it before. I have loaded many Loads and got the best results using Rainier Ballistic's Copper washed flat Point Bullets in 100 Grain form and Unique Powder Loaded to max. Be advised these Hotter loads should be used in a K-Frame sized revolver and approached with caution when reloading for them. I hope this helps, Hammerdown










32 S&W and .32 S&W Long... by Scott aka GunFan
The little .32 S&W (Short) has some interesting ballistics from a 3 1/2" barrel. 88-grain Remington-Peters factory fodder runs about 657 fps. 85-grain Winchester-Western runs about 679 from the same tube. Energies produced are about 84-1/3 fpe and 60-2/3 fpe respectively. Place this energy on a .311"-.314" diameter bullet, and - Plunk! These should stop either an enraged field mouse or put "the hurts" on most garden pests without threatening to put a hole in the neighbor's house! Moles, ground hogs and other aberrant vermin, beware! No matter what anyone says, these little loads beat the daylights out of the .22 handgun when it comes to close-range pest eradication!

When it comes to the .32 S&W Long, modern propellants make this cartridge deliver quite a "nasty-gram" at close range! If the pests, are between 25 and 50 pounds, the .32 S&W Long should get the job done. Factory loads hve a bit more "oomph." From a 2" barrel a hefty 98-grain Remington RNL runs 632 fps and provides 87 fpe and the 98-grain RNL provides 626 fps and about 85 fpe. You must bear in mind that these loads were designed with the weaker, break-top revolvers in mind.

I frequently see 98-grain RNL ahead of 3.5 grains of Unique, delivering 979 fps and about 99 1/2 fpe from a 6" barrel. While not earth shaking, it can put down many a good-sized varmint quite easily.

I want to take the opportunity today to address those that handload for the .32 S&W Long. This is where the cartridge has an opportunity to "step from the shadows" and make a statement.

Those of us that are over 50 years of age, or have made an in-depth study of handloading, are quick to realize that the .32 S&W Long, while an extremely accurate cartridge, can be loaded to some pretty respectable power levels. Now this shouldn't be seen as a license to "firewall" the cartridge, ignoring the requisite prudence and reason regarding safety. On the contrary, the very careful approach of increasing charge levels, while keeping a sharp eye for excessive pressures. (e.g. flattened primers, excessive leading, stressed cases, etc.) A 1968 copy of Handloader magazine offered the following handloads for the .32 S&W Long.

WARNING! These loads are only suitable for use in modern, solid-framed revolvers in good condition! the following loads may, or may not, be safe in your particular revolver! Use caution when approaching maximum loads!

Note: All of the bullets used were of the Round Nosed Lead variety.

Bullet Wt. Powder Charge Velocity

Lead 89 Bullseye 1.5 695
Lead 89 Bullseye 2.0 745
Lead 89 Bullseye 2.5 880
Lead 89 Bullseye 3.0 1,010
Lead 98 Bullseye 2.0 770
Lead 98 Bullseye 2.7 910
Lead 98 Unique 3.0 735
Lead 98 Unique 4.0 940
Lead 98 Unique 4.3 1,010

Both loads yielding the 1010 fps with both propellants are maximum loads. If you look carefully, you'll notice that the 89-grain maximum load yields 201.6 fpe. That, sisters and brothers, isn't the earmark of a "flyweight" cartridge, suitable only for dispatching rats! This particular load can serious medicine for a vast number of household/garden/barnyard purposes. This particular load would be an excellent choice for the elimination of skunks, nutria, large (harbor) rats, opossum and the like.

The 98-grain, 1010 fps load yields a healthy 220 fpe! Is it any wonder how so many feral dogs, foxes, bobcats, and other larger vermin can be dealt a quick death blow with this potent load. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if such a load could be effectively employed for personal defense. If the bullet were molded as a truncated cone, hollow point, a 98-grain lead bullet, loaded in the .32 Long could easily reach into .380/.38 S&W Special territory! Some of these loads should shoot well in revolvers chambered for the .32 H&R Magnum.

Once upon a time, in 1974, a gunwrter by the name of Gorge Nonte was writing for HANDLOADER magazine. It was in the January/February edition of that year, when he published an article called, "Those unloved .32's."

After discussing several of the .32 Long revolvers being manufactured in the day, he began discussing useful loads for the cartridge. On page 36, he writes,

"... If you have one of the stronger guns, and want to make your own jacketed expanding bullets, velocities as high as 1,300 to 1,600 fps are possible in 6-inch barrels. Obtaining them requires a slightly undersized, thin-jacketed bullet of 60 to 70 grains weight, driven by a hefty charge of Bullseye or Olin 230 powder. In my own 6" K-32, a 63-grain thin-jacketed soft-point bullet made up by C-H dies produces 1,380 fps when driven by 3.5 grains of Unique. These loads show no evidence of excessive pressures in the K-32 or in either a S&W Hand Ejector or a Colt Cobra. At this time, no valid pressure tests have been conducted for the above loads, and this does not constitute a recommendation for their use. We do know of a .32 S&W Long pressure barrel under construction and when it is ready - and lab time is available - we fully intend to determine the pressures of those loads.

For general shooting, which includes small game, plinking, and occasional paper-target use to 50 yards, I have yet to find a load better than Lyman bullet No. 313445, weighing approximately 95 grains and of semi-wadcutter form. It is long enough and heavy enough to retain velocity well, it cuts clean, sharp holes in paper or other targets, and kills small game nicely without excessive meat destruction. I prefer to drive it at around 1,100 fps (6-inch barrel) with either 4.5 grains of Hercules (now Alliant) Unique or 3.5 grains of Bullseye. While Unique is really my favorite powder, I often assemble this load with Bullseye because it is a bit more efficient in the two-inch barrel length - and a little 2-inch S&W Hand Ejector gun in this caliber is one of my favorites for carrying afield because of its slight weight and bulk. That little gun may look innocuous, but with the Bullseye load it will puncture beer cans out to 50 yards with a high degree of regularity if I do my part. That can't really be considered poor accuracy from a two-inch tube."

This speaks remarkably well for the humble .32 S&W Long! While so many have relegated this little revolver to the status of a "relic" it appears that it can perform many chores that may consider a labored task for the .22 Long Rifle cartridge, and a bit excessive for the .38 S&W Special. It serves a valid purpose, and still carves out it's niche in the "overly full" revolver-handgun segment. Later in the same article, Nonte provides this .32 S&W Long load data:
Bbl length.
Bullet Powder Charge 2" 4" 6"

63 gr JSP Unique 5.0 gr. 990 1,310 1,400
63 gr JSP Unique 5.2 gr. 1,030 1,330 1,420
63 gr JSP 230 3.5 gr. 995 1,290 1,380
90 gr Cast Bullseye 3.1 gr. 850 1,010 1,100
90 gr Cast Unique 4.7 gr. 875 1,065 --
98 gr Cast Bullseye 2.7 gr. 830 910 --
98 gr Cast Bullseye 1.5 gr. -- 635 --
98 gr Cast Bullseye 2.0 gr. -- 770 --
98 gr Cast Unique 4.5 gr. -- 1,040 --
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Here is some more Load info. I found great for this round.. Hammerdown



The .32 S&W Long: A Handgun Hunter's Perspective


The .32 S&W Long is regarded by some as an archaic artifact of another time, best left to the dust of the Ages. I would suggest a less hasty conclusion. Yes, it was originally introduced by Smith & Wesson in 1878. Yes, it was originally housed in the weak Model 1 1/2 top-break revolver. Yes, it was originally a black powder load only generating 680 fps with an 85 grain lead round nosed bullet. Yes, it was introduced as a pocket pistol for self-defense, and yes it was marginal in that application. Yes, smokeless powder, stronger steels and the Magnum Age would come along and make such pip-squeak ballistics "yesterday's news". So what? Is there a problem with all that?

While the hinged-frame top-break revolvers are indeed very weak and need to be treated with care (i.e. loaded to black powder pressures only), S&W entered the modern era with their first Hand Ejector (the Model 1896), and it was chambered for the .32 S&W Long. The fixed frame of the Hand Ejector series of revolvers would revolutionize the handgun world, and ultimately lead to the first Magnums. With the introduction of smokeless powder, factory ballistics for the .32 S&W Long were upped only slightly to a 98 grain lead bullet at 705 fps (undoubtedly out of deference for the weaker top-break revolvers). I have shot small game and vermin with lead round-nosed bullets at roughly 700 fps -- head shots are effective, body shots leave a great deal to be desired. The bottom-line is that these slow round-nosed bullets are just not a humane hunting combination.

However, the fixed-frame Hand Ejectors were stronger than the older top-break revolvers, and could be safely loaded to somewhat higher pressures (i.e. 15,000 CUP). This increased pressure allows 90-100 grain cast bullets to be pushed 900-1000 fps safely (for example, see the pressure-tested load data in Phil Sharpe's "Complete Guide to Handloading"). Coupling this added velocity with improved bullet designs bearing a decent meplat, and you now have an excellent hunting combination for small game.

If this sermon sounds familiar, others have preached it long before me. In "Sixguns" Elmer Keith summarized the .32 S&W Long as, "...a wonderfully accurate target cartridge...but in factory loadings is a very poor game cartridge." He went on to say, "Properly handloaded with a bullet like the Ideal 313445 and 4.0 grains of Unique for a velocity of 1000 fps, it is a wonderful small game cartridge.". In "Hoglegs, Hipshots and Jalapenos" Skeeter Skelton also sang the praises of the .32 S&W Long as being very accurate, although underpowered for anything but the smallest game, and that its performance as a hunting cartridge could be significantly enhanced by handloading. The load he cited was comprised of a 95 grain cast bullet over 4.3 grains of Unique for 1010 fps. Generally speaking, when Skeeter was looking for this level of .32 caliber ballistics, he usually turned to the .32-20 cartridge, but I suspect that was in large part due to the fact that the .32-20 was available in his beloved Colt Single Action Army, while the .32 S&W Long was not.

Several other gun writers have gone on record in favor of the .32 rimfire rifle as a preferred small game load. For those of you that might not be familiar with the ballistics of the old black powder .32 rimfire loads, they generally had an 80-90 grain lead bullet at 950-1050 fps. The .32 rimfires had a reputation for adequate accuracy out to about 50 yards (black powder fouling could be problematic), and would kill small game cleanly without spoiling a lot of meat. When .32 rimfire ammo became scarce and hard to find, many of these shooters moved on to reproduce these ballistics in a .32-20 rifle or revolver, but the extra case capacity isn't necessary to achieve this ballistic level and a solid-framed .32 S&W Long revolver is just as capable of reproducing the old .32 rimfire ballistics (and accurate loads will probably be easier to find than with the .32-20). This, I would argue, is the special niche that the .32 S&W Long now occupies -- the ~95 grain bullet at 900-1000 fps, useful for hunting small game.

Handloading the .32 S&W Long

The .32 S&W Long is pretty much a definitive "small case" in terms of powder capacity. Uniform ignition is not a problem since the brisance of pretty much any primer will completely fill the available volume in the loaded round. The small case capacity, combined with the pressure limitations, make the .32 S&W Long best served by the medium to fast burning pistol powders, ranging from Bullseye on the fast side out to about HS-6 on the slow side. I have gotten excellent results with Red Dot and W231 in the .32 S&W Long. Red Dot in particular, bulks up well in the tiny case and has given me excellent accuracy over the years in the .32 S&W Long. Bullseye, PB and American Select are also excellent choices for the .32 S&W Long. A pound of powder goes a LONG ways when it's metered out in 2.0 to 2.5 grain doses!

One of the things that appeals to me about the .32 S&W Long is how well it performs with cast bullets. In fact, in all of the thousands and thousands of rounds of .32 S&W Long that I've shot over the years, fewer than 1% of them have involved jacketed bullets. At ~900 fps and 15,000 CUP, cast bullets are right at home, and just make sense. With a gang mould and a pot full of lead, you can make bunch of .32 cast bullets in a hurry from a few pounds of scrap wheel weights! As far as mould designs go, there are some excellent .32 wadcutter moulds available from RCBS, NEI (I like #79 in PB form) and H&G (originally listed as #66 by H&G, now available from Ballisti-Cast), and at one time Lyman made a couple of very interesting variations on the .32 wadcutter theme that make for very interesting field loads (the 95 grain 313445 SWC and the 93 grain 313492 Type III wadcutter). Other .32 cast bullet designs worthy of note are the timeless Lyman/Ideal 3118 (now labeled the 311008), the RCBS 98 grain SWC, the RCBS 88 grain Cowboy bullet, and SAECO also makes some good-lookin' .32 moulds (I have an old Cramer 95 grain SWC that I am very fond of, a design that SAECO still offers). Several years ago, I had Mountain Molds make a mould for me to produce a 98 grain .312" Keith-style SWC (73% meplat, three equal driving bands, beveled crimp groove and a big flat grease groove). A couple of years later, this bullet was used as inspiration for one the Lee custom mould Group Buys for a 6-cavity gang mould to make a .315" diameter 98 grain Keith-style SWC (there were some changes made to the ogive and driving bands). The bottom-line is that there is no shortage of good bullet moulds available to the handgun hunter who wants to hunt with the .32 S&W Long.


Some of the excellent cast bullet designs available for the .32 S&W Long (l-r: H&G #66, NEI #75, RCBS .32-90-Cowboy mould, Cramer #52D 95 grain SWC (now available as the SAECO #325), Lee custom Group Buy 98 grain Keith-style SWC, Mountain Molds Keith-style 98 grain SWC, Ideal 31133 (the 109 grain HP version of the 3118), and the 115 grain Lyman 311008).


My preferred load for the Type I wadcutters (i.e. the button-nosed target bullets that are seated deeply) is 2.0 grains of Bullseye (which, conveniently, is the lightest load I can get my Dillon 550B powder measure to drop), which averages about 750 fps or so (depending on barrel length), and with that full-diameter meplat it anchors grouse very effectively. For the lighter field bullets (like the RCBS cowboy bullet and the Lyman 313492, both of which weigh about 90 grains when they drop from my moulds), I like to load them on top of 2.6 grains of Red Dot for about 965 fps, a load that delivers excellent accuracy. Both of these loads drop small game effectively, and don't waste a lot of meat in the process. For the 98-100 grain SWC bullets, like the RCBS 98 grain SWC and Keith-style SWC’s, I have gotten very good results with a variety of powders (from Red Dot to HS-6), but commonly turn to 2.5 grains of Red Dot or 3.0 grains of W231, both of which produce a little over 900 fps (depending on barrel length) and excellent accuracy.

Another thing that I like about the .32 S&W Long is that the brass seems to last forever. I can't recall ever having a case wear out, or split.



.32 S&W Long ammo, loaded with a few of the excellent cast bullet designs available (l-r: NEI #75 wadcutter, RCBS .32-90-Cowboy bullet, Lyman 313445, Lee custom Group Buy 98 grain Keith-style SWC, Mountain Molds Keith-style 98 grain SWC, RCBS 98 grain SWC, and the Ideal 31133 HP).
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The J-frame .32 S&W Long (Model 31-1), with a 3" barrel and fixed sights.


S&W also built a few .32 S&W Longs on the K-frame. These tend to be rather rare, and you don't run across them every day. I was fortunate to pick up a 4" M&P in .32 S&W Long a while back, and it has quickly turned into one of my personal favorite revolvers. The bluing on the barrel is worn, but mechanically this gun is in very good shape, and it is one fine shooter! In this revolver, cast bullets sized .313" are a snug fit in the throats, and so that is how I size them.



S&W made a few M&Ps (K-frame) chambered for .32 S&W Long.

I have always wanted a K-32 Target Masterpiece, but given the steep prices they tend to command, I just haven't been able to find one that I could afford. So a number of years ago I decided to have a custom gun built instead (and still ended up saving a bunch of money). I bought a 6" full-lugged Model 16 barrel (from the .32 H&R Magnum production run) and a K-22 cylinder, and had these fit to a K-38 frame. I also commissioned a set of very tight reamers to be made up (.0015" clearance on the chamber dimensions, and .3125" for the throats), and took all these parts over to my good friend Dave Ewer and asked him to build the gun. This gun is mechanically VERY tight, and it shoots superbly! In hindsight, I probably should have gone with about .003" clearance on the chamber dimensions, as occasionally variations in crimp dimensions can cause problems with getting ammo to chamber, but boy does this gun shoot! When hunting, this gun gets cast bullets sized .312", at 900-1000 fps, and it shoots them all day long into little-bitty groups. This is truly a connoisseurs small game handgun.



Applications

The .32 S&W Long makes an excellent target gun. The custom K-frame described above was originally built as a bullseye gun, intended for wadcutters (either home-cast or commercial hardcast, and the Oregon Trail Bullet Company makes a fine 98 grain .313" double-ended wadcutter), loaded over 2.0 grains of Bullseye. Years ago, I shot a number of bullseye matches with this gun for the centerfire stage and it served extremely well. It is extremely accurate, and the trivial level of recoil makes recovery very easy during a rapid fire string. The full-lug barrel makes the gun slightly muzzle heavy, so the sights "hang" on the target very nicely. All in all, a very nice bullseye package.




The .32 S&W Long also makes a good varmint round. For critters like ground squirrels and prairie dogs, I will commonly use the Keith-style SWC’s loaded to around 1000 fps, and it pops burrowing rodents smartly. For jack rabbits, I generally want a little more "thump" and will commonly load the .32 S&W Long with a cast HP like the Lyman/Ideal 31133 (the 109 grain HP version of the 3118), cast soft (BHN of 9 or less, e.g. 25-to-1 alloy) and load it to 1000 fps with 3.0 grains of Red Dot (this load is too hot for the I-frame guns and only gets shot in my K-frame .32s). This load does not produce the explosive expansion that magnum cast HP loads commonly deliver, but it does offer notably better killing power for moderate-sized vermin like jack rabbits, nutria, rock-chucks, and such.


Yes, in some ways the .32 S&W Long is a relic from a by-gone era, a 19th century pocket pistol for self-defense. More effective cartridges have since been developed for that application, but the .32 S&W Long still has a place in a handgunners battery. While the .32 S&W Long lead round-nose factory ammo isn't particularly effective, when the cartridge is loaded with wadcutters at 750 fps or SWC’s at 900-1000 fps, it makes an outstanding small game round for the modern handgun hunter.



Addendum on cast SWC's in the .32 S&W Long
Commonly, when I am working up new loads for the .32 S&W Long, I will do all the shooting and chronographing with the custom Ewer K-32 bullseye gun described above. It is very accurate so I know that I'm getting everything out of the load that it has to offer, and if the chronograph tells me that the loads are a little too warm for the I-framed guns, I don't have to worry about damage to the very strong K-frame. The realization hit me that I had chronographed the wadcutter loads out of the I-framed revolvers, but I had just taken the other loads out and shot stuff with them, without knowing exactly how fast they shot in the various guns. This last weekend, I decided to rectify that oversight.

All cast bullets cast of range scrap (BHN ~ 10)
Sized .312" lubed with 50/50 beeswax/moly grease
Winchester Small Pistol primers
Temperature ~75F


Velocity data for .32 S&W Long loads

3.0 grains of W231 with the Lee 98 grain SWC 2.5 grains of Red Dot with the Mountain Molds 102 grain SWC
Ewer K-32 (6") 974 fps Ewer K-32 (6") 857 fps
3 1/4" Model 1903 820 fps 3 1/4" Model 1903 727 fps
4 1/4" Model 1903 908 fps 4 1/4" Model 1903 782 fps
6" Model 1903 866 fps 6" Model 1903 734 fps

3.0 grains of W231 with the Mountain Molds 102 grain SWC
Ewer K-32 (6") 911 fps
3 1/4" Model 1903 766 fps
4 1/4" Model 1903 836 fps
6" Model 1903 792 fps

The first thing that jumps out of these numbers is that these loads are going notably slower from the old I-framed guns than they are out of the tight custom K-32 bullseye gun. This in and of itself isn't surprising, but the margin of difference between the 6" K-32 and the 6" I-frame took me by surprise (~120 fps). The other thing that jumps out of these numbers is that the 4 1/4" is consistently the fastest of the I-framed guns, and it is consistently ~40 fps faster than the longer barreled 6" Model 1903. As my friend John Taffin has said for years when people ask him about revolver velocities, "Each sixgun is a law unto itself.". John's right.

All of these guns have cylinder throats that run less than .313", so these observations got me to thinking about the cylinder gaps in these various revolvers, so I broke out the feeler gauges and made a few measurements.

Ewer K-32 bullseye gun .0025"
3 1/4" Model 1903 (5th change, 1914) .004"
4 1/4" Model 1903 (2nd change, 1906) .0025"
6" Model 1903 (5th change, 1910) .005"

Sure enough, the slow 6" Model 1903 has the largest gap, and the fast 4 1/4" Model 1903 has the smallest gap.

Next, if we compare the two bullets by examining the data from the two loads using 3.0 grains of Winchester 231, we see that the Lee custom Keith-style SWC is consistently ~60 fps faster than the Mountain Molds Keith-style SWC. The Mountain Molds SWC stays true to the design parameters laid out by Elmer Keith (3 driving bands of equal width, large flat-bottomed grease groove, beveled crimp groove, large meplat), and was designed with a 73% meplat. This is a design that has proven itself for over 3/4 of a century. The Keith-style SWC that we got as a part of the custom group buy from Lee has a meplat of .205", which equates to about 66% (very similar to what Elmer used when he designed his first SWC, the 429421, which leaned heavily on the 429336, the so-called "Heath bullet" designed back before World War I; Elmer would use larger meplats on his later SWC designs, varying between 70% and 75% of bullet diameter). There are two possible explanations for this velocity difference between the Mountain Molds SWC and the Lee SWC -- 1) the weight difference, and 2) the difference in thickness of the base bands. These bullets were cast with range scrap with a BHN of about 10 (similar to WW alloy) and the Lee SWC weighs 98 grains, and the MM SWC weighs 102 grains. Is a 4 grain difference in weight enough to cause a 60 fps difference in velocity? Maybe, maybe not. Changes in base band thickness are known to have an impact on how well the bullet's base can seal the propellant gases. The MM SWC has a base band that is .075" thick, whereas the Lee SWC has a base band that is .110" thick. Which parameter is responsible for the velocity difference? I don't know, but I suspect that it could be the base band difference. In any event, I think it would be appropriate to use this example to modify Taffin's Axiom to, "Every bullet is a law unto itself.". As for the 60 fps difference, I'm not going to get too wound up over it since both of these loads use good flat-pointed bullets and there isn't a grouse in the world that could ever tell the difference between these two loads.

Lastly, if we compare the two loads using the Mountain Molds SWC (over 3.0 grains of 231 and 2.5 grains of Red Dot), we see that the 231 load tends to be about 50 fps faster. In my experience, the Red Dot load is more consistently accurate (from gun to gun). Some guns shoot the 231 load well, others don't, but they all seem to like the Red Dot load, so that's a load that I generally tend to gravitate towards.

The bottom line is that these loads were going a little slower than I thought out of the old I-frame guns, but these flat-pointed bullets still kill rabbits, grouse and squirrels just fine, thank you.

- Glen E. Fryxell
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I will be loading some 32 s&w long soon. I have 100 grain LRNFP Suters Choice bullets (the only 32 caliber bullets I can find locally) and W231 power. The closest load I can find using these components is Winchester's 98 LWC with 1.9 grains W231. Would it be possible to use 1.9 grains of powder with the 100 grain bullet? Do I need to change the powder load with the slightly heavier bullet? I am trying to find a starter load. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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The weight difference your talking about should not be an issue. With cast projectiles it's very hard to find a 100% match-up with components. As has been said before, watch you seating depth REAL close. With these small cases a little variation can change pressure fast.
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Since I do not have a COL dimension for the bullet I intend to use, should I make the round as long as possible so that it just fits into the cylinder?
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You have to look at they bullet types you've mentioned. The Winchester, 98gn LWC is designed to be loaded deep in the case. A LRNFP is designed to be loaded with it's length probably half way out of the case. If you set a 98gn WC bullet next to a 100gn LRNFP you would see that the LRNFP is slightly longer. Not due to the extra two grains of lead so much as due to the shape of the bullet. The WC is shaped like a soup can while the LRNFP tapers to a flat point. Now envision where the case crimps on the WC as opposed to the LRNFP. With a 1.9gn charge and both bullets properly seated the base of the WC will be a lot closer to the powder than the base of the LRNFP. That's what is meant by headspace above the powder, the distance from the powder charge to the base of the bullet.

This is not an exactly precise example because a cartridge is seldom fired straight up in the air. But at least as I understand it the smaller the combustion chamber for a given powder charge, the higher the potential pressure. The higher the potential pressure the higher the potential velocity.

Now I said all that to say that in my opinion a properly seated 98gn WC with a powder charge of 1.9gns of powder, will generate slightly HIGHER pressure than the same powder charge and a properly seated 100gn LRNFP. Due to the relative size of the combustion chamber.

Maximum overall length of 32 S&W Long is 1.280". The 1.9gn w231 load you plan on using will probably prove to be safe starting point, but under strength using the factory OAL. The powder charge you eventually settle on will probably be slightly higher. Remember to work up in 0.2 gn increments with these small ctgs.

Sorry for being so wordy but 32 Long is the first handgun ctg I ever reloaded for my own use. I still have a fondness fr it.

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Factory 32 s&w long ammo is loaded light due to the number of break top revolvers the manufacturers think are still around.

In a solid frame revolver it can be a potent little round.

I like it for its non-existant recoil and very good accuracy.
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You have been off of here so long your first posts in this section looks like a book!

Dude, if I did load the "Anemic .32 S&W Long " I doubt I would read all of your first posts!

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You have been off of here so long your first posts in this section looks like a book!

Dude, if I did load the "Anemic .32 S&W Long " I doubt I would read all of your first posts!


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I figured anyone that has been loading the .32 S&W Long Caliber would appreciate the new Load information. It is not mine, I found it searching for improvement on the load, as all the Previous Hand Loadings shown for this Old Caliber are rather weak. Sorry if I Offended you with the length of this thread, I was just Providing it for those Interested in Improving it. Hammerdown
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I figured anyone that has been loading the .32 S&W Long Caliber would appreciate the new Load information. It is not mine, I found it searching for improvement on the load, as all the Previous Hand Loadings shown for this Old Caliber are rather weak. Sorry if I Offended you with the length of this thread, I was just Providing it for those Interested in Improving it. Hammerdown
I don't want to turn this into a "personal" thing and would appreciate you not do it either. I am not offended in the least at your posts. Just making a statement. Brevity sometimes is a badge of honor.
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I didn't want to make it personal either, Nor did I Cast the first stone here How ever I found Your Remark that you said of "about me being off here so long" Very Personal, what was that all about ?. The Load info on the .32 S&W Long currently out there for us Handloaders is very Limited and out dated at best, so that is why I shared this. I was elated to find such good Information after loading this round to Low velocites for Many Years without much hope of finding anything new or up-Dated on it. I have gotten some PM's from others that were pleased to see this write up, as I said I did not write it, just passed it along to others that may Want to expand on the caliber, No Offense intended..Hammerdown
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Just got a great deal on a set of 32 S&W Long dies and some32 caliber bullets off a local gun board so this info is very timely. Now I just need to buy a gun chambered in .32 S&W .
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Congratulations on your Re-Loading Components to Load up the .32 S&W Long Cartridge. It is a Hoot to Play with and Very rewarding accuracy wise. There are plenty of .32 S&W Long caliber revolvers out there, and the Price of these revolver's in the .32 S&W Long is usually reasonable making the .32 S&W Long Caliber even more attractive to Play with. The Information I Posted above is certainly a Breath of Fresh Air for Loading this Classic round, as all The Other I have found is Meek and Out Dated. Keep us posted on when you get a revolver and begin to Re-Load and play with it. Regards, Hammerdwon
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Hammerdown,
Thanks for the information on loading the 32 S&W Long. It has long been one of my favorite "play" cartridges. Here are three of my 32L S&W's:
S&W M&P 32 Long:


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S&W HE 32WCF with extra factory 32S&W Long cylinder numbered to gun:
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I do not know for sure, but I am searching for confirmation that you have attributed the writing of that cartridge discussion to the wrong person. If I am not mistaken, it was written by bmcgilvray, a member of this board and many others. Scott, aka Gunfan has been reposting some of those old "Cartridge Discussions". It is good information, and worthy of reading but I just wanted to let you know it may have been written by Bryan, not Scott. As I said, I am efforting the confirmation.
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No stones cast. What I meant, and I may be wrong, if I am I am sorry, but there was a Hammerdown that was banned a while back for many dubious interactions in the sales area of the forum.

I mean, there was a "sticky" up in every section of the forum not long ago about not having any financial dealings with that Hammerdown, who's name was Kurt, I think, because of the unscrupulous actions of that individual.

If that isn't you, please forgive me. If it is you, then that is all I meant by "about me being off here so long". That Hammerdown was banned and hadn't been around for some time.
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Dude, if I did load the "Anemic .32 S&W Long " I doubt I would read all of your first posts!

Are you kidding? If that had been about the 6mm Remington, I would have read every word. Sure, it looked about the same to me as it did to you, since I no longer own a .32, and never loaded for it, but I reckon it was a pretty interesting post for a few folks.

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No stones cast. What I meant, and I may be wrong, if I am I am sorry, but there was a Hammerdown that was banned a while back for many dubious interactions in the sales area of the forum.

I mean, there was a "sticky" up in every section of the forum not long ago about not having any financial dealings with that Hammerdown, who's name was Kurt, I think, because of the unscrupulous actions of that individual.

If that isn't you, please forgive me. If it is you, then that is all I meant by "about me being off here so long". That Hammerdown was banned and hadn't been around for some time.
I don't rememeber anything about unscrupulous transactions. In fact, I purchased from that Hammerdown and had no complaints. There WAS some intemperate interchange between that Hammerdown and one other individual that made the previous owner decide to ban him. I'm not really competent, or, at the very least, lacking information, to judge that decision. Perhaps a lot of us are in the same boat.

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I do not know for sure, but I am searching for confirmation that you have attributed the writing of that cartridge discussion to the wrong person. If I am not mistaken, it was written by bmcgilvray, a member of this board and many others. Scott, aka Gunfan has been reposting some of those old "Cartridge Discussions". It is good information, and worthy of reading but I just wanted to let you know it may have been written by Bryan, not Scott. As I said, I am efforting the confirmation.

Hi Shaun;

I once did a "cartridge discussion" on the .32-20 but haven't yet produced one on the .32 S&W Long. Have a couple of .32 Long revolvers but haven't gotten a round tuit on test shooting and documenting results.

The .32 S&W Long cartridge certainly looks capable in its own right, lengthened-case Magnum .32 cartridges not withstanding.
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My apologies, Hammerdown.
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Does anyone have an idea what the speed of the 98gr. LRN is with a full case of 3Fg? How much better is smokeless in this cartridge other than for fouling?
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Ok, folks, this is how it is-

Many banned members were invited back a few months ago.
A general announcement was made across the board.
READ the announcements we make- they actually have a purpose.

There are actually two reinstated members in this thread.

You will never see one of the long, ongoing "crucifixion" threads on this board again. If we have a problem with a member, we deal with it and move on. There are no Coliseum games here.

If anyone does not wish to interact with any member on the board, simply use the IGNORE feature. Another option is to simply refrain from participating in a thread.

There are comments in this thread that do not need to be here. They serve no purpose other than stating the obvious or possibly rekindling old arguments.

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Quite logical Lee.

Just one thing. In order for some, and I'm not one of them so don't think I am speaking for myself, to move on an apology is often needed.

I appreciate your approach to these types of problems and I feel sure that they are based on your personal understanding of Judeo-Christian principles, much like our American founding fathers did.

It would seem that a way to minimize the rejection of some that are being reinstated would be to have them take the low road and apologize in private to those that have ought against them.

It is the responsibility of those that think others are offended at them to go and make it right, not the other way 'round.

Just a thought. Like I said, I really don't have a dog in this hunt other than knowing that some have had some real problems in this matter.
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A sound principle, and good advice.

I have left it up to the individuals to decide. All members invited back were invited with no conditions to accept beyond obeying the Rules and making a good faith effort to get along.

I will not dictate an apology by anyone. Though I often feel like I manage a schoolyard, I will not make Billy apologize to Bobby and shake hands. If they ain't learned it by now, they probably ain't gonna get it.

We ask members to obey the rules and treat each other as they would like to be treated. Avoid any fight you can on the board- most are not worth the effort.
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I can't help myself when it comes to "those unloved .32's." It was Jan Libourel that began to dispel the belief that the .32 Long was "only suitable for dispatching rats."

When you think about it, the .32 H&R Magnum is one heck of a platform for personal defense. When loaded with a 100 grain SWC, (With a healthy dose of Unique behind it) a 4" barreled revolver would be pretty darned formidable! The deeper the "little .32" slug penetrates, the better.

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Scott, thanks for resurrecting this thread and thanks Hammerdown for posting those two great articles where they could be found easily... I have already archived them in my computer. With Project 616 complete, I am now starting to consolidate my information about all of the straight sided 32 revolver rounds and whichever of my guns they can be used in.

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Anyone else have Sharpe's book? (It's pretty easy to find online in .pdf form.) I've gotten the .32 Long to get up and move, and have never had to go all the way up to his max loadings from the '30s.
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Well here a year after the last post I'm here looking into the possibility of loading for a trio of .32 SW Longs, a 30-1 nickel I found in a Pawn shop and gave my son.



A 31-1 4" I found recently in excellent condition and a I-Frame snubbie I'd picked up and posted about sometime back here. The 31-1 shoots factory WC's very well and all will group PPU 100gr RN into 4" and 15 yards which isn't great but I hope can be improved on. Thanks to those who posted this material.
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Very much enjoyed reading these posts on the .32 S&W Long. Fascinating.
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Just for the sake of completeness, there is a long running thread posted as a sticky and going to 12 pages over on the Cast Boolits board here;

The .32 S&W Long as a man-stopper

I guess we all have to decide whether the 32 S&W Long (and which variations thereof) fill our needs. For fun, the cat sneeze WC and SWC loads in my little I-frames are fun, and in my K-frame and Blackhawk are gentle to use, and of course for SD work, I can go hotter for the S&W L or "graduate" to the H&R or Fed Mag. Man, I love those 32s!

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I appreciate Hammedown's discussion of loading the .32 Long and don't consider it to be too long in light of all the information covered. I have a 31-1 in practically new condition that I've shot factory ammo but have never handloaded for.

Throwing tiny powder charges has kind of bothered me. I was glad to see that the RL550B charger can handle small amounts of powder but are there other ways to get charges in without weighing them on a scale? Are there any other chargers that can throw tiny amounts quickly? I want to load for the .32 Long and the .32ACP for my Walther.

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Hammerdown; I read & enjoyed every word of your post concerning the .32 Long. I bought my first one in the late '50's, a 6"" "I" frame used for 35 bucks. Started loading with a Lyman 313445 bullet & small charges of Bullseye. The loading manuals then weren't as complete as today.That little gun is long gone but had others along the way. Last one was a H&R 732 I gave my granddaughter. She's deadly with it. Now loading a 98 Gr. semi wadcutter with 2.4 gr. Bullseye. Not a barn burner but pretty darned accurate.Many Thanks for a great post.
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I was searching for 32SWL reloading info and bingo!

I wish I could find some lead smaller than 100g around here. I hate to buy mail order because I feel I have to buy a pallet load to make it worth my time. Matts has a good deal 85 Grain Double Ended Wadcutter Tumble Lube (.315) [TL315-85-DEWC] - $9.00 : Matts Bullets
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Question- assuming these .315 are soft, will the crimp pull them down a .001 or so?
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I was searching for 32SWL reloading info and bingo!

I wish I could find some lead smaller than 100g around here. I hate to buy mail order because I feel I have to buy a pallet load to make it worth my time. Matts has a good deal 85 Grain Double Ended Wadcutter Tumble Lube (.315) [TL315-85-DEWC] - $9.00 : Matts Bullets
but they come .315. I haven't slugged any of these yet.

Question- assuming these .315 are soft, will the crimp pull them down a .001 or so?
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I Posted the Load's in this Thread and started the Thread. That said, I Load a lot for the anemic .32 &W Long Cartridge and feel as though the Bullets Matt Offer's at 0.0315" would work well in any S&W revolver. I hope this helps, Hammerdown
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Thanks. I finally checked my gun. .312 throats and slugged at .312 using a .312 LRN

I'm probably losing a little oomph there along with cheating myself of the full benefit of rifling.
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Thanks. I finally checked my gun. .312 throats and slugged at .312 using a .312 LRN

I'm probably losing a little oomph there along with cheating myself of the full benefit of rifling.
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Than a slug of 0.315" diameter should work well and provide one Hole ragged results... Hammerdown
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New to me load. I found a recpie that called for 1.8-2.0g of Hi-skor 700x for 100g lrn. I took some to the range today and they were not too bad.

Not a powder puff load but not a harsh snap. There's probably better language to explain this, I know there's worse.

The gun is a 1958 M30 with a 3". The mottled look on the side plate is the reflection of the trees overhead. I think the t-grip is designed for an N frame but the J frame size didn't fit the shape well.

I could keep them all in about 4x4" at 15yrds. I could hit a sheet of paper at 25yrds.

This is shooting one-handed and with an energy drink instead of lunch so I know some variaiton was me.

Anyhoo- nice load here. I noticed some 32SWL showing up on the forum and wanted to share.
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I appreciate Hammedown's discussion of loading the .32 Long and don't consider it to be too long in light of all the information covered. I have a 31-1 in practically new condition that I've shot factory ammo but have never handloaded for.

Throwing tiny powder charges has kind of bothered me. I was glad to see that the RL550B charger can handle small amounts of powder but are there other ways to get charges in without weighing them on a scale? Are there any other chargers that can throw tiny amounts quickly? I want to load for the .32 Long and the .32ACP for my Walther.

Thanks for any ideas and help. Many thanks to Hammerdown for his article.

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Very much enjoyed the posts regarding the loading of the .32 S&W Long. Brevity may be the soul of wit, but when it comes to discussions of this sort, detailed explanation is critical. Very much appreciate the time and effort taken to produce these posts.

Have read articles by some of the old time gun writers. In factory loadings, they found the round to be a useful small game/target round. With proper handloads, the .32 S&W Long was considered to be very effective for hunting small game and in appropriate pistols it was useable for SD. After all, a hotted up .32 S&W Long would certainly have more to offer than the .22 LR round in hunting small game. And in a modern J or K frame it would be useful for SD if loaded with proper SWC bullets. JMHO. Sincerely. brucev.
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Up from the grave it arose! Ha!
Love the six rnd 32 L. So much that since I do not reload I tried Buffalo Bore offering of 32 auto +P.
.32 ACP +P Ammo 0.312 - 75 gr. Hardcast F.N. (1150fps/ M.E. 220 ft. lbs.)
Yes, it is pricy though I added a 20 rnd box to some .22 short hp I ordered from Midway. I informally tested this against Sellier & Bellot Ammunition 32 S&W Long 100 Grain Lead Round Nose[actually is barely flat tipped though not nearly as wide as a flat tip, perhaps the width of a BB] Muzzle Velocity: 886 fps Muzzle Energy: 174 ft. lbs.

I used a fairly solid though aged 2x8 in front of a well seasoned slab of oak w/inch or two air gap. The LRN stopped roughly an inch into the oak slab. The 32 ACP penetrated about the same except the base of it finished in front of the tip[of the 100gn LRN], since flattened to resemble a wadcutter, of the 32L.

One argument is blow-by due to one or possibly two thousands difference in the 32 L Vs. 32 acp. Perhaps, but I'm not shooting boxes through the model 31 at $1.15 a rnd[not including shipping]. The S&B is 49 centavos a pop.

There's a noticeable pistola flip w/100gn. There's none w/75gn. So, perhaps there is blow-by, yet I only use the high priced hard cast for carry. Yet another reason, after burning through some Magtech 32 long LRN, for not cleaning the lead out of the 3" brl. YMMV.

However, I like the hotter 75 gn flat hard cast penetrating deeper w/help of an extra 46 flbs of MV. As well I experience no split cases or issues using the star extractor.

I have BP 32 that I would not shoot the most anemic modern powder load through on a bet. I absolutely do not encourage any hot loads in older top latch or BP designed firearms.

This hot .32 ACP in me modern I frame manufactured in the 1950s will penetrate being just shy of 1.5X diameter of a .22 LR and almost twice the weight of a traditional 40 gn LR boolit.

Now, if I had me druthers I'd be hard pressed to pick twixt the .32 ACP 75gn flat hardcast out of the 3" brl or the 27gn .22 SHP out of a rifle brl.

In fact they compliment each other w/73 flb .22 SHP designed for maximum expansion quickly on a soft target and the 32 ACP hardcast designed to retain weight and penetrate against thicker/denim/leather covered target.

OT, but I highly recommend the .22 shp for dispensing tree rats out from under feeders.
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"... since I do not reload I tried Buffalo Bore offering of 32 auto +P."

I have also fired .32 ACP in revolvers chambered for the .32 Long. But there are two cautions for those who do so. First, the .32 ACP case has a semi-rim, which is enough to keep it from falling into the chamber. However, it is possible for the extractor star to over-ride the smaller diameter semi rim and get cases stuck behind it. It takes some care to avoid this. Second, the semi-rim of the .32 ACP is somewhat thinner than the rim of the .32 Long case. Therefore, there will be excess headspace when the .32 ACP is used and there can be some misfires expected. I have experienced them. Neither condition presents a real problem if you are shooting only at inanimate targets, but using .32 ACP cannot recommended for any self-defense applications. I load .32 ACP cases with .312 lead bullets which work OK in .32 Long revolvers, and I don't see a great deal of difference in grouping performance between .32 ACP and .32 Long loadings.

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I would venture to guess that better built quality pistols, in above average shape/slight wear, would give one better odds in the extractor star going above and beyond call of duty.

Likewise one would be well served in maintaining clean cylinder bores. No sense in adding to the load.

There is indeed a slight differential in headspace as you duly noted the thinner .32 ACP case is a mite recessed in cylinder compared to the .32 long. Upon inspection of spent cases the .32ACP primer has a wider and deeper indention than the .32 long.

Misfires are also reported occasionally in use of budget/target ammunition. Every mechanical function has a rate of failure. To me the beauty in a wheelgun, other than no safety to interfere, is option of pulling the trigger again.

I'd wager a sawbuck against two bits that you have never had two misfires back to back. Much less as a result of firing pin shortcomings as result of too much headspace. Of course I could be wrong. And if the misfire was on the sixth rnd you would be no worse for wear than had you been totin' a five rounder.

I recommend nothing. I merely share me thoughts. Personally, I have no issue carrying Mighty Mouse or loading w/BB .32ACP +P. I'll neither extol its virtues from the pulpit or soapbox as worthy, better or equal to anything else.

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There is a Buffalo Bore 100 gr wadcutter round available in 32 S&W Long.

It's probably even a better round for SD than the 32acp+p -- plus it was made for these revolvers.
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Perhaps. I looked at it, being partial to a wadcutter, yet felt the increased penetration of the .32 ACP +P flat hardcast tipped the scales. As always, to each their own. I'm sure the BB .32L 100gn WC is a fine cartridge.

In the .32L rnd I looked for the most penetration. And for me the flat hardcast 75gn .32ACP +P excels in that category. Where the 9mm parabellum is known for over-penetration the 32 L is known more for coming up short in penetration. Hence the moniker of mouse gun.

For quite some time the .380 ACP was bandied about as the bare minimum for personal protection. I prefer a wheelgun to a bottom feeder.

I'll not lay claim to the 32L being the least amount of gun. The 351C w/seven rnds can apply a nasty wound. Even then I have mine stoked w/WRF as I see little difference twixt it and the .22 Mag out of a snubnose.

So many choices in small handguns and ammunition, if that's your fancy, that if one doesn't work for anyone they've several other options available from whence to choose.

I carry what I am comfortable with and confident in. As Captain obvious I suggest everyone do the same.
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Speer used to make a lovely .32 caliber 98 grain hollowbase wadcutter. I shot probably 1,000 of them over 1.8 grains of Bullseye. They shot beautifully. I had a 4 inch Model 31-1 and a fellow at my range, who could really shoot, could group 6 into a little over an inch at 25 yards, offhand.

I have a Lyman mold somewhere that throws a gas checked SWC of about 115 grains of ex-wheelweights. I didn't put a gascheck on for .32 Long but did for .32-20. 3.5 grains of Unique gave it a bit of bark but I never chronographed it. Lyman manual #45, using a 3 inch Model 31, clocked it at 823 fps. Since I was mainly punching holes in paper, I usually loaded it over the 1.8 grains of Bullseye. With free scrounged wheelweights, it was pretty cheap to shoot. It was gentle on brass, too. I had a batch of 500 Remington cases that I loaded and shot over 10 times without losing a case to mouth or body splits, which was exceptional for Remington brass then.

I always wanted a K-32. I had a Model 16-4 with the underlug barrel but never warmed up to it and sold it.

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"I'd wager a sawbuck against two bits that you have never had two misfires back to back. Much less as a result of firing pin shortcomings as result of too much headspace. Of course I could be wrong. And if the misfire was on the sixth rnd you would be no worse for wear than had you been totin' a five rounder."

You could lose. I have experienced at times two misfires of a cylinderful with .32 ACP in my .32 Long revolver. Misfires will usually fire on a second try. But most of the time, no misfires.
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I'd lose wager double or nothing and Murphy's Law would rear his ugly head.

The second time around the BB hardcast round at a couple of feet penetrated 1.5" in the seasoned oak slab. I chunked the 2x8 and layed the slab on the ground. Ahead of the S&B 32 S&W Long 100 Gn LRN by almost the full length of the 32 ACP boolit. [in the first comparison after blowing through the solid, yet age compromised 2x8 the entire 32ACP projectile penetrated ahead of the S&B 32L]

The S&B 100gn split the wood to the left and up to the end which was around 3". Also, directly above and below the projectile hole were mini splits where the grain gave way. The nose ended up on a 30* angle and the body ovals along the grain that gave way. As the boolit split the grain the soft lead pushing against the wood sought relief vertically within the newly offered real estate.

When I shot the BB 32ACP 75gn I moved down and over a couple of inches. It maintains its shape creates no splits.

The S&B soft lead strikes the wood 90* to grain and starts to expand. This expansion makes for a larger hole and assists in splitting the wood by focusing the energy/momentum on a larger area instead of pushing through as the .32 hardcast which maintained original diameter.

I want the penetration, I want to blow through zippers/leather/denim/bone/Gideon's Bible/medallion/quarter dollar/Susan B. Anthony/ Sacagawea whatever preferably out the other side.

Now, if I could just talk S&W into manufacturing one w/5.5" barrel & tight B/C gap in a seven rnd cylinder.
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