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Old 10-11-2009, 01:58 PM
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I need to load some 14 gauge paper shotshells. Components aren't a problem and will be using BP or pyrodex, but where can I find a crimper to close the shells? Tried searching and lurking on different shottie forums, no luck.
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Where do you find equipment that will reload "14" gage??

If it was 12 ga with say a MEC loader you can just use one of the regular star crimp starters supplied with the loader, usually 5 star or maybe 7 star, use what ever the case where originally crimped with if reloads.
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Where do you find equipment that will reload "14" gage??
Dippers, wood dowel, and a mallet, just like my great grand pappy. But I lost his instructions for closing the shell.

And these are virgin paper cases.
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If you are using the flat top and bottom wads, like those availabe from Dixie Gun Works, then you need a roll crimper to round down the edges of the shell rather than making a pie fold. I haven't seen one in decades, but you might contact Dixie in Union City, TN for a possible source.
If you're look for a pie crimper in 14 ga, I've never seen one.
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Try giving the gentlemen at Ballistic Products a call.

They have some of the best roll crimpers for paper and plastic hulls around. They can help you if anyone can.

Tell me, are you using a smokeless load or loads for blackpowder? These are normal centerfire cases, and not pinfire ones, correct?

If you are loading them with the holy black or even most of the substitutes, I'd suggest going over to some solid brass hulls, as they will last almost forever if well taken care of, and you can easily top off the shot with a oveshot card sealed in place with Duco cement or sodium silicate (water glass).

Rocky Mountain Cartridge makes new 14 gauge cases, and the quality of their brass is second to none, and heavier than anything else made. I have some of their brass in 10 and 12 gauge and it is magnificent!

Just note that the prices haven't been updated in a couple of years, so they will be much higher than those posted:
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I need to load some 14 gauge paper shotshells. Components aren't a problem and will be using BP or pyrodex, but where can I find a crimper to close the shells? Tried searching and lurking on different shottie forums, no luck.
You may need to fashion your own tools for this and actually it won't be that difficult.A punch to deprime,any flat surface will suffice for repriming when done with any number of improvised tools,scoops and a dowel and light mallet for applying a fold crimp.....I'm assuming the cases have been previously loaded with a fold crimp with the creases still showing.
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Tell me, are you using a smokeless load or loads for blackpowder? These are normal centerfire cases, and not pinfire ones, correct?
Black powder pinfire.
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Black powder pinfire.
I'm a good guesser.

If you have a good enough supply of those paper hulls, then you don't need any of the new brass reloadable ones that use percussion caps.

Hammerdouble.com used to sell the 12, 14 and 16 gauge solid brass reloadable ones that used percussion caps to set off the charge. Unfortunately, I don't think they are online any longer, but may be sold by Galazan.(?) Used to be $75 for a box of 20 or 25.

The only other place that offers brass case pinfire stuff is Reloading kit for 7, 9, 11mm pinfire cartridges - revive your vintage Lefaucheux revolvers - - H.L. Publishing, but the only gauge they offer is 16 at this time...perhaps 14 gauge is on the way. I hope you have a fun time shooting that shotgun. Have any pictures?
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http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/1401870...x525853984.jpg

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Just put an over shot wad in place and then glue into position with a bit of common cheap window caulk. A small dab placed down onto the top of the overshot wad and then pressed down on it with your thumb and twist it around. It will spread it around and into the edge of the wad and shell wall. Let them cure over nite.

The caulk will disentegrate upon fireing and the shell casings last longer cause you never crimp them.

They may start to tear at the very end a bit after a few fireings but you can trim them back. They will probably burn out at the base wad before you get all the way back to the length they would have been had they been folded/crimped.

Gives you more room for powder,wad & shot too because you don't have to allow for the folds in the case.

Just buy a small (8oz?) handy tube of the caulk. Cheaper the better.
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