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Old 01-05-2010, 08:59 PM
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Well, I found out today that my wife can get off of work to receive her Christmas present like I planned.

It seems there was a possibility of them not letting her off that I didn't know anything about when I made the decision to give her a 2 day, 3 night, hunt for Christmas.

Of course, she has to take me with her!

We are taking nothing but handloads for this trip.

We have hunted boar before and to be honest, they aren't that tough to kill. Never shot a Corsican Ram though and I think it will look neat on the wall next to old "Piggy".

At any rate, we are going to take 4 rifles. Her 357Mag Marlin 1894CB, my 44Mag Marlin 1894CS, an AR-15 and a Remington 700 in 30/06.

I have been assured that our shots will not be longer than 100 yards when stand hunting and if stalking needs to be done, I think we can get closer than that.

At any rate, we are pumped!

The load for the 30/06 has already taken a pig for the wife a couple of years ago. She may decide to use it, not sure yet. The 357Mag rifle should be enough at the ranges stated to take a "normal" sized pig with.

I went to the range tonight to run some of them over the chronograph and see how accurate they were. I was impressed to say the least out of that 20" carbine.

The load came from LoadData.com and they said it appeared in Rifle magazine issue #226 - July, 2006. It is over other published data but suffice it to say, should be fine in the heavy action of the Marlin. Components were: 158gr XTP, mixed cases, Wolf Small Rifle Primers and Lil' Gun powder.
The article said I should get 1987fps. I got just a tad more than that and accuracy was superb.
Here were the results:
Low: 2038fps
High: 2086fps
Avg: 2064fps
ES: 48fps
SD: 17.64fps
These were exceptionally accurate and she is a good shot. Recoil was nill. Just have to make some for the trip now.

My Marlin is going to be stoked with 240gr JSPHP bullets over 23.5gr Lil' Gun with Wolf Large Pistol primers.
I don't have the exact numbers right now but they are going 1980fps with a single digit SD!
These are minute of sparrow accurate @ 50 yards, an was proven today.

The AR is a tad light for them for use on hogs. I've seen some videos though were the guy is shooting a bunch of hogs from a helicopter with an AR and they don't seem to be running too far after he hit them!

There has been much discussion in another thread about the velocity at which an XTP will open up. We will see just what happens to this 2000fps load! It may hit skin and "blow up" for all I know. I kind of doubt it as I have seen them at regular handgun velocities not open at all.

If they stay together and have minimal expansion, we should have some decent penetration.

At any rate, feel free to comment.

p.s. I will have pictures should we be successful. I will re-title the thread when I post those pictures.

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Old 01-05-2010, 10:41 PM
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What-whatís going on here? No 38Spl with SR4756 and cast bullets. Say it isnít so.
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Old 01-05-2010, 10:53 PM
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Skip,

I posted this one another forum, but you may be able to glean some good information from Paco, especially concerning the lever guns in .357 Mag.

357 Magnum and the Literature

I still say you should make a slight detour and come by for a visit.
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I shot 1 deer with the 357, 158 grn Rem soft pionts. Penetration was not all that great. For a soft tissue shot it was fine. If I was to go larger game hunting with a 357 today I would load up some of my 180 grn hardcast Beartooth bullets over max win 296(H-110) charges. Sounds like your hunt is soon, you should be fine.
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:22 AM
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I got to thinking last night after posting my first reply to your comment, Dennis.

As a matter of fact, her first load that I developed for her to use in a handgun, her M586 6", was a load with a 158gr LSWC over a bunch of SR4756 from the Speer 7.9! It gave me 1280fps from the handgun while giving 1580fps from the 20" rifle.

I wanted just a taste more from the rifle than that for hogs. Our oldest son took a deer several years ago with a 158gr LSWC over a bunch of WC820. It was a doe at about 75 yards. He claims it was a one shot drop. The shot was straight on as I remember it and exited the animal. I loaded those rounds long before I had a chronograph and it's hard telling just what the velocity actually is. I do know I loaded that powder like H110/W296.

But, your observations are very astute indeed. For me, not having a homemade cast bullet in one of my firearms is certainly an odd event. We'll see how things turn out!
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:08 AM
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Where are you going hunting in Oklahoma. I have a son in Tulsa and cousins in Oklahoma City. Would like some info.
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SC; You disappoint me...not a cast bullet in the lot! And, no handgun either?!?!?!?! I was sure that 45LC would be on your hip for sure!!!! The "piggy's" are tough in the shoulder, and penetration is the key to success! Load up some stout hardcasts, so when that "big boy" trophy tusker presents himself you wont have to wonder whether those jacketed bullets will do the deed!
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Old 01-06-2010, 01:36 PM
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SC; You disappoint me...not a cast bullet in the lot! And, no handgun either?!?!?!?! I was sure that 45LC would be on your hip for sure!!!! The "piggy's" are tough in the shoulder, and penetration is the key to success! Load up some stout hardcasts, so when that "big boy" trophy tusker presents himself you wont have to wonder whether those jacketed bullets will do the deed!
FT, I am not going to be handgun-less. It just isn't going to be my primary hunting firearm. Oh, don't worry, the Ruger will be there in a "gunslinger" rig and stoked with some of the 45LC loads we have spoken of before.

Me going to the "field" without a handgun just ain't gonna happen.
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Our new son in law is from Sand Springs. The hunting is going to be done just west of Oklahoma City.
I want to keep that quiet until we are done with the hunt. I expect no trouble but would hate to seem like endorsing a place then finding out it may be a bust.

When we get back, I'll post how it went either way.
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very nice skip...i have a place to boar hunt in western NC...last trip down my 500 mag.took a 4 horn ram...going to pick the mount up this weekend if the weather holds up
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FT, I kind of guessed that!
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No pictures Skip, but the neighbor was telling me today of a couple of hog encounters. They have been rooting his hay meadow and have about destroyed it. So, he got the necessary equipment needed for some snares. They're 1/8" steel cable anchored to something like a tree. They found one that had been broken, like cable broken, and the 4" tree it was anchored to had been partially uprooted!

The one that didn't break the snare was there this morning and went about 250#. His Win M100 in .243 did him in.
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Getting exited! One week to go! How in the world am I supposed to concentrate at work?

Like a school boy waiting on summer vacation!

My wife made a new hunting outfit. Here is a picture of part of it. It took two pairs of USMC digital camo trousers to make it. I bet there isn't another one like it in the whole USA! Cargo pockets, reinforced rump and knees. It even has the little Eagle, Globe and Anchor and "USMC" in the print! Cool!
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Well, its not exactly summer here, but the Oklahoma weather is getting back toward winter average. (Upper 20's and 40's lo/hi; sunny days in 50s)
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Well, its not exactly summer here, but the Oklahoma weather is getting back toward winter average. (Upper 20's and 40's lo/hi; sunny days in 50s)
Hopefully it won't be snowing when we come. We have enough of that here!

Strange winter.

Going to stop in Neosho, Missouri and see the daughter and son in law for the weekend then Monday on to the hunting ranch.

Gonna take her to the range tonight to launch a few projectiles downrange so she can get the feel of the gun. She doesn't shoot as much as I do and this will be good for her.

Even if it is a might chilly right now!
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Good luck on your hog/sheep safari!!
We have been using the 357 marlin and 158 grain XTP for hogs and wounded deer for several seasons with good results at the short ranges normally encountered(<50 yds).
The 180 gr. XTP or Nosler Partition backed by 15 grains of Lil'gun provides a bit more hammer and might be preferred in the event you ran into a larger than normal hog. Just a thought. I've loaded a few of these and accuracy is on a par with the 158's. Velocity around 1600 as I recall. Haven't had an opportunity to test them on a 300# hog.
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I wanted to wait until I got our hunts out of the way to tell you where we were going.

The name of the place is "No Mercy Hunting Services" ( We offer fully guided trophy hunts for Boar, Whitetail and Exotic deer, turkey and more hunting species )and they are located in Gracemont, Oklahoma.

I have to say this first and foremost, the guide, Les, was superb. This guy has hunted everything on the North American continent and really knows his stuff. I called him the "Hog Ninja" he was so good in the woods!

The reason I chose this No Mercy was because I thought that it would be one of those "easy" places to take an animal. You know, sit in the blind/stand, shoot the trained animals as they came in, kind of place. Well, nothing could be further from the truth when it came time to hunt the hogs! I mean, I got absolutely worn out walking/stalking but had one of the best times of my life! In fact, if someone would like to start a collection to send me back, I'd be glad to go!

They have a guaranteed shot policy. That is not the same as a guaranteed kill policy. It simply means that they guarantee an animal to present a shot to you, it is up to you to do the rest! The rams were no problem although, they weren't push overs either. We were coming out of a stand getting ready to hog hunt and ran into a group of rams feeding. I wanted to give the wife "first shot" on one, so I backed off. She was a little jittery and unsure. The shot was 100 yards and unfortunately, she missed. It didn't dampen her spirit, which I was glad for and we ended up taking her ram later that afternoon only with my 44Mag. I can tell you this, a 44Mag is plenty for a ram of this size (100 lbs or so).
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(Entrance hole)

(The off side is pretty graphic and I don't want to gross anyone out. I need to say this, the bullet came out and it must have expanded to about .800" or so. Never found the bullet from any of the animals on this hunt.)
While the shot is just a tad high for a perfect shot, I thought it was pretty good. Their spine is just a tad lower when comparing them to a Whitetail. This shot hit the spine and it dropped like a sack of potatoes!
Pretty cool!
The next morning while sitting in the stand, the rams came in just after daybreak and I took mine. That shot too was just a bit high but with the angle of the shot that provided itself, I think it was the only one available to me. They came in as a group and made their way around the feeders pretty bunched together. I didn't want to get 2 for the price of 2 ( ) so I held off on shooting. Then, this one ram started walking away. Almost straight away and all I could think of was, "there goes your chance for today." Then it stopped and I took aim. The bullet took the animal in about the same spot going in as my wife only the exit wound was much different. Because it was going away I should have shot well behind the "boiler room" to guarantee a kill. My shot hit the lungs and liver, nicking the spine and exiting under the "beard" of this animal. It too took no more steps after being shot. Oh, I kicked just a tad but it was pretty much a done deal.
The horns on my ram are a bit tighter than the wife's, then again, you don't eat them!
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I'll post more later. I have to get busy and clean rifles and such.

The hog stories are better!
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Like a school boy waiting on summer vacation!

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For her I hope , since you didn't say.
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Thank you so much for the info. Glad to hear and see you and your wife had a good time.
I have my son start planning on an outing and make contact with the outfitter.
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Thank you so much for the info. Glad to hear and see you and your wife had a good time.
I have my son start planning on an outing and make contact with the outfitter.
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Here is another place to check out. It is a bunch closer and is just as good a time. We, the wife, son #2 and I went 2 years ago and had a great time too.

It was the first time we hunted with dogs and really enjoyed it. The only real difference is there is no walking down hill in Tennessee, or so it seemed. We drove downhill to walk uphill!

Great folks and a real blast.

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FT, I am not going to be handgun-less. It just isn't going to be my primary hunting firearm. Oh, don't worry, the Ruger will be there in a "gunslinger" rig and stoked with some of the 45LC loads we have spoken of before.

Me going to the "field" without a handgun just ain't gonna happen.
Those rifles are fine, but they surely do get heavy. But I hope you and wifey have a great time.
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Glad to be of help.

Just ducking in to post a layout of the ridge and the last hog hunt. The layout is nowhere near to scale so don't get hung up on that.

With the help of the road keeping the hogs in the woods and the pressure from my wife and the guide, the hogs ended up within range. As with most ground, none of it was perfectly level and the picture can't show that. Suffice it to say that there were rolls and swells that made sighting the hogs challenging but that also made me so to them. They came in from my left and were meandering casually. While alert, they weren't spooked. Spooked hogs can cover a lot of ground in a hurry! Even after the shot, they just went about their business only much farther to my right.



After shooting the hog on this foray, I got a chance to watch the hogs acting naturally. It was kind of cool. Digging and rooting and working out "position" in the pack or herd. What a fun time!
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This is the hog I shot. It wasn't too big, about 150lbs, but it looked like a monster in the field!

As outlined above, it was shot just under 50 yards and in the right eye. The exit hole, and I was surprised there was one when shooting it in the skull, is impressive.

The XTP in the 44Mag at 1800+fps seemed to do the trick. I wish I would have been able to harvest one with the 357Mag on this trip, maybe next time.

The pictures below this point are pretty graphic and may upset some forum members. If you are one of those folks, don't go any further!

This is from the actual site of the shot. Notice the blood on the ground. While the animal only kicked about 5 or 6 times, it really didn't move too much.



This is the exit hole from the 44Mag, 240gr XTP. Now, I'm not sure what anyone should expect from a hunting bullet but, this seems to be what you would want. I could have stuck several more fingers in the hole had I wanted to. I think you get the point!



Next time I am going to take a drag rope. I usually have one in my pack but had taken it out. I used the wife's sling instead. At any rate, we were successful and had a great time.
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I'd say the XTP works!

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I was reading on the web today where the author says the XTP is a bad choice for a trophy hog. Seems that they expand too soon for reliable penetration. He was speaking from the handgun point of view though, not fired from a levergun. The added velocity, upwards of 1800fps may be the difference.

All I can say is that "I have the bug"! The gotta go hog hunting again bug that is!

I think I may take Paul up on a visit to his area! Next time I want to try public land and do the scouting on my own. Of course I will be taking "Annie" with me too!
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Skip,

Just remember, just about every inch of Texas is privately owned, so there isn't a whole lot of "public" land available to hunt on.

I went down to the pasture by the creek bottom recently and noticed the little pigs had been visiting again. They're pretty easy to detect, because they don't root very deep. It's deep enough to make a real rough tractor ride, but nothing like what a boar hog can and will do!

This is what a sow and some pigs did to a row of thornless Apache blackberries.



Two days later I shot this young boar, about the same size as the one you shot, about 50 feet from that same blackberry row.



They're hard to hunt, unless you use dogs, because they root the place up and many times they don't come back for 6 months. So, it isn't like you can wait for them at a predetermined spot.
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SC; Good Kill! I hate to bring this up, but that pig bears a striking resemblance to Arnold Zwiffle!!!
I have a buddy that has a big farm outside of Hydro OK. He says the pigs have gotten so bad there that they shoot them like varmint hunters shoot prairie dogs out west, and just leave them dead in the fields! Here in Missouri, we have hogs down south, and they are some good eating for sure, and I hope you enjoy yours!
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looks like yall had a fine hunt, man those xtps are pretty tuff! i have shot them in the head with a 7mm rem mag and didnt get that kind of wound!
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Glad you had a good hunt and came home safe. Enjoyed the pix.
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Skip, sounds like you and the wife had the time of your lives! I'm glad everything worked out well for you both. I agree though, it would have been nice if you were able to test the .357 Magnum on that hunt. As you know it's of particular interest to me... LOL

Great pictures of what looks like a great hunt. Good for you both!!
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Yes, the .357 has a special place with me too, so I'm looking for an opportunity to shoot a hog with one of mine!
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skip...so glad you and the wife had a great time....i just got back from the taxidermist a big beautiful red boar head and a four horn ram that scored a bronze medal...i'm pretty excited...i'll be back after boar and ram again in either march or april in western NC...again..congrats!
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As outlined above, it was shot just under 50 yards and in the right eye. The exit hole, and I was surprised there was one when shooting it in the skull, is impressive.

The XTP in the 44Mag at 1800+fps seemed to do the trick. I wish I would have been able to harvest one with the 357Mag on this trip, maybe next time.
If you keep shooting like that, a K-38 will do nicely. Nice shooting!
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THANKS! p.s. Can I borrow yours? (Just kidding!)
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I just wanted to add some pictures of our ram mounts. The first one is the wife's the second mine.

Great reminders of a wonderful time!



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Excellent!
I have one just about like the first one hanging on my wall.
Always brings back lots of memories when I look at my mounts.
I recall where I was, what the weather was like, what gun I had, etc. Too bad so many don't get why we hunt, or why we have them mounted......


Many years ago I read an article by Bob Hagel. In it, he mentioned thathe always kept the shell casing from any load that he took an animal with, and if he recovered the bullet, he kept it with the case. Just for the memories.

Ever since then, I have been doing the same thing. I have a drawer full of zip-loc bags that have empty casings (and sometimes a bullet or two) along with a note that tells all the details of the shot. Range, weather, angle, distance, etc., and the gun and caliber used, along with the load/s used and the impact and exit points, the way the bullet behaved, how it expanded and penetrated, etc.

They are just as much a trophy to me as the animals they have taken for me.

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