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Old 08-13-2014, 12:51 AM
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Ok I see all Blue dissing, Red, Green, Orange etc. Do we agree on the simple fact that all presses are different ( but similar) also that we tweak and work the nauseas out and that all machines of our choice suit our needs?

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You lost me, I'll admit ignorance. Dillon, Lee, RCBS? Don't know orange. Some prefer Miehle over Heidelbergs, web vs. sheetfed but not enough for them to their lose lunch (dinner).
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I have a Spolar Hydraulic for shotshells, and a Dillon 550 for rifle/handgun. While there may be a learning curve, the presses themselves, IMO, really don't need "tweaking."

It may be the person using the reloader that needs the tweak.

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The only "tweaking" I did to my press so far is more and more caliber conversions
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I will agree that some of them can be altered in a manner than helps some of them. But they work well enough from the start.
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Tweaking? Maintenance? Adjustment? Tender, loving care?

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My lee turret press ran like a champ straight out of the box. The hardest part was "timing" it.
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The only tweaking I did to my Dillon 650 was to add a larger spent primer holder (holds about 10,000 before emptying is required) and a larger live primer holder - both not necessary, but my choice. Oh yes...... I did add an LED light if you want to consider that tweaking.

My RCBS is still stock - but I only use it for large rifle cartridges now days.

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The only tweaking I've had to do (limited to Dillon 550) is adjusting the dies the first time.
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Yes & no. A well designed & executed design will run out of the box with no tweaking. Now we may fiddle anyway, for personal reasons, but Ime, something simple like a 550b, needs nothing but components to run 100%.
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I think maybe your poll should state "progressive" presses. I use a single stage. I don't have anything against progressives, just too damn cheap to buy one . I also don't shoot competition. I may burn 1-3000 rds in one week in the summer, but that would be rare, usually it's more in the 2-500 per range trip; I'm lucky if I make it to the range more than once/month. The only "tweaking" I've ever done to any single stage, is to remove the primer arm, (and promptly lose it ). I've set up a few, (for friends), that were used & needed a little surface rust removed & a new paint job. Other than adjusting your dies & stuffing a chunk of drinking straw in the spent primer channel, (so the spent ones actually make it into your catcher), I can't think of anything to "tweak" on a single stage .

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The Dillon 650 is becoming THE reloader for Mexico if you want a progressive, mainly because it has 5 die positions allowing one to insert a powder compression die for reloading the .380 Super Cal (a .380 auto-case loaded up to provide .38 Super power in a fully supported chamber). No other progressive press in the price range offers the 5th die position. You can use a 550 with 4 positions and to the final Lee Factory Taper Crimp -- which debulges the case where the bottom of the 153 grain Saeco bullet slightly bulges it in the middle -- on a separate single-stage press. But the 650 does it all! (The Square Deal is totally not up to it: non-standard dies that do not size the .380 Case far enough down to eliminate the pregnant bulges that the Glock 25 chambers cause, no provision for a powder-packer unless you make one, no chance of using the Lee Taper Crimp dies...doesn't prime well with thicker than Winchester or Federal primers and down here you takes what you gets....so forget the Square Deal).

I think the 650 is a great press, but yes you need to "tweak" it. You need to super-solidly mount the casefeed mechanism or you keep getting jams with the dinky, pesky .380 case and sometimes they can feed upside down unless that casefeeder has just no wobble. Little things over time go slightly out of adjustment as you load more and more thousands and thousands of rounds and you need to "tweak" them back to where they need to be.

Who cares? I want to shoot thousands and thousands of rounds. What's the point of having perpetual summer if you can't go shooting when you get the chance because you're low on ammo.

Yes, the press needs "tweaking". I suppose if you loaded thousands and thousands of rounds over a single-stage press, you might need to tweak something but it would take so long between "tweaks" you might not really notice it. On a Dillon 650, you notice it a lot more as you shift buckets* and buckets of ammo out of the way while you look for the correct sized Allen wrench.

*At the Mexican Police Combat National Championships last fall, I was invited to be the "Guest Speaker" and to shoot alongside them to give them an idea of where civilian competition shooters might score compared to the shooting world they themselves were used to. I used my .380 Super 1911 and did very well. At a little "chat" at the end of things, some Mexico City cops told me to come down and shoot with them and to give them some pointers. I squirmed around on that as I have tried to stay rather low-profile since the Drug War started and don't need the bad guys targeting me because I'm "the Police Trainer" or whatever.

"Not a problem," said a sort of cute Mexico Police chick, "we have a Dillon 550 and have buckets and buckets of ammo." This was something I was surprised they would admit to a civilian from outside their world as the Mexican Army does everything it can to stop everybody -- Cops included -- from reloading down here.

I laughed at that, and replied, "Yeah. Me too." And they laughed as well. So far, I have not taken them up on their offer. I get enough adventure just running a business down here.

Chatting up Mexican cops. Once they got over the fact that I was a greasy civilian puke and realized I spoke Spanish, they chatted me up continuously.



With my "squad" at the Mexican Police Nationals. These guys had to ask for each round of ammo to shoot the course, and turn in unfired round. And unless they -- or their department -- reloads clandestinely -- they get to fire maybe a box of shells a year in practice. I was happy to hear that the Department from Mexico with the cute Cop chick on their squad used a Dillon 550. The Beretta Storm was a surprisingly popular pistol amongst the competitors. Although here in SMAGTO they use either the CZ-75 BD or the Glock 17 I would have the guess that the Beretta is pretty popular in the big cities from the number of officers who were carrying one.



In my humble opinion, all presses need "tweaking". The faster they load, the more "tweaking" you'll have to do sooner rather than later, but it's still probably going to average out to about the same amount of "tweaks per thousands of rounds" no matter what you're using unless it's real junk. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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I voted no, but it depends on the definition of "tweaking". I've added a light and a spent primer catcher to my Dillon 650, but other than readjusting due to caliber/powder/bullet change. I don't think any of the presses available(whatever color they may be) require constant fiddling (what I would consider "tweaking") to load ammunition reliably.
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"....we tweak and work the nauseas out....." (sic)


I don't understand....does reloading make you so sick you throw up?
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I think maybe your poll should state "progressive" presses. I use a single stage. I don't have anything against progressives, just too damn cheap to buy one . I also don't shoot competition. I may burn 1-3000 rds in one week in the summer, but that would be rare, usually it's more in the 2-500 per range trip; I'm lucky if I make it to the range more than once/month. The only "tweaking" I've ever done to any single stage, is to remove the primer arm, (and promptly lose it ). I've set up a few, (for friends), that were used & needed a little surface rust removed & a new paint job. Other than adjusting your dies & stuffing a chunk of drinking straw in the spent primer channel, (so the spent ones actually make it into your catcher), I can't think of anything to "tweak" on a single stage .

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ANY NEW press & dies need to be set up correctly initially & tightened up/re-timed every now and then, or when changing calibers for progressives. If YOU decide to change bullet wt's/lengths, will seating dies need to be re-set, OF COURSE! That is just the way it is & I don't think that is tweaking, just normal set up/ use/maintenance. So I answered NO. Do many go beyond the norm & really tweak things? SURE! BUT it is not absolutely needed for ALL people/presses.

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I'm amazed at the number of people that don't need tweaking. I have a single stage rcbs and I tweak. I'd like to hear what brands don't need tweaking. I'm guessing it's the 'blue' crowd, but are there others?
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I have a lnl ap and I ordered the wrong shellplate and it messed up my baseplate so I couldn't eject calibers larger than 38s. They sent me a new shellplate and everything is perfect. I alone messed it up by pulling the lever harder after it jammed and caused the problem. I love Hornady they back it all up.
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Learning how to properly adjust dies is the first step to learning how to reload. Is adjusting your press worse than zeroing the sights on a pistol or rifle? Even if you buy factory ammo, do you not test several brands to see which one your gun prefers over others?

Please lets not get into a mindless debate over the nobility of using a single stage over a turret or a progressive of whatever flavor and color?

If you prefer loading on brand X single stage-Please be blessed.

If I had unlimited funds...I would have room full of Camdex loading machines, automated brass sorting and prep all churning loads that were carefully worked up for each individual gun I owned.

The next level would be room full of engineering students all certified to have OCD. Each student would have a designated Dillon 1050 in one caliber and work to produce loads that were more accurate than everyone else in the room. the prize for each days labor would be life time tickets and parking at Alabama football games in addition to free tuition for 8 years of school.

If you are looking for a press that is ready to load with out of the box. there isn't one . Every make and model will require some form of adjustment. Even something as simple as how to mount the press of your dreams is very subjective. Like shoes one size does not fit all.
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Progressive (LnL AP) and Turret (Lee) presses need adjustment, cleaning, lube and a user that understands how they work in order to work as designed. They don't need tweaking.

Single stage (LnL Classic) presses are more forgiving, and can usually work as designed even without a user that understands how they work.
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Learning how to properly adjust dies is the first step to learning how to reload. Is adjusting your press worse than zeroing the sights on a pistol or rifle? Even if you buy factory ammo, do you not test several brands to see which one your gun prefers over others?

Please lets not get into a mindless debate over the nobility of using a single stage over a turret or a progressive of whatever flavor and color?

If you prefer loading on brand X single stage-Please be blessed.

If I had unlimited funds...I would have room full of Camdex loading machines, automated brass sorting and prep all churning loads that were carefully worked up for each individual gun I owned.

The next level would be room full of engineering students all certified to have OCD. Each student would have a designated Dillon 1050 in one caliber and work to produce loads that were more accurate than everyone else in the room. the prize for each days labor would be life time tickets and parking at Alabama football games in addition to free tuition for 8 years of school.

If you are looking for a press that is ready to load with out of the box. there isn't one . Every make and model will require some form of adjustment. Even something as simple as how to mount the press of your dreams is very subjective. Like shoes one size does not fit all.
I guess you answered my question .

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Would the term "personalize" be more appropriate here?
Reading posts here over the years this seems to be very popular. It can actually improve performance for the individual or simply allow him/her to "mark" his stuff.
In any event I've found reading how others go about the reloading process with their equipment to be informative.
Do find the rah-rah about my blue, red, green,… gear being the very best to be tiresome.
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PLEASE explain exactly what/how you tweak on a single stage RCBS, like a rockchucker?
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PLEASE explain exactly what/how you tweak on a single stage RCBS, like a rockchucker?
You fiddle with getting a small tubing into the ram to try to keep the spent primers from shooting out onto the floor

Please explain to me why everyone is so darn defensive about their reloading equipment? If it works for you, who cares what anyone else thinks.

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Maybe we could start a shift to "My dog is XXXXXX than yours"

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Reading posts here over the years this seems to be very popular. It can actually improve performance for the individual or simply allow him/her to "mark" his stuff.
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Do find the rah-rah about my blue, red, green,… gear being the very best to be tiresome.
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IMO, that small tube would fall into the personalization category. SURE some spent primers bounce out of the plastic cup provided to catch them. A waste basket under the press catches 95% of the ?% of the ones that escape the spent primer cup. It's NOT the end of the world/ NOR required, IMO. NOT a bad idea however, & along the lines of adding a light.
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IMO, that small tube would fall into the personalization category. SURE some spent primers bounce out of the plastic cup provided to catch them. A waste basket under the press catches 95% of the ?% of the ones that escape the spent primer cup. It's NOT the end of the world/ NOR required, IMO. NOT a bad idea however, & along the lines of adding a light.
Oh semantics now: "personalization" vs "tweeking". I'm done, you guys carry on.

I'll see some of you on the other reloading forums.
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In my experience it is the operator that needs tweaking when starting on a new press.
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Good thing you're fingers didn't slip and the original question was if they needed "twerking", I can only imagine the replies.
I think in Louisiana, twerking is against some law.
Does it envolve farm animals?
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I have one and I still have to tweak. But I will say that the need for any tweaking is brought on myself by me.
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I have no "color preference" when it comes to reloading equipment -- I buy what I know will work for my needs. I have four reloading presses - never have had to "tweak" any of them. I read the directions and follow them for set-up if necessary. After that . . the only "tweaking" needed is in myself . . . not the equipment as it works well if set-up properly.

As far as "color preference" . . . I do get tired of hearing that a certain color "is the only way to go" . . . a person can have just as much enjoyment out of using a a green or red single stage press as they can out of using a blue progressive, etc. It all depends on what your needs and usages are. Everybody likes different things . . some oranges, some apples and some kiwi . . . that's what makes us all "unique".
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It's not so much that the press needs tweaked, but that the press owner likes to tweak it!
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I have not had to "tweek" any press I have purchased, new or used. My Lee presses went into use right out of the box. My Redding went to use right out of the box. My C-H was put to use as quickly as I could bolt it to the bench. You didn't specify whether a press is single stage or turret, or progressive. My turret presses were good right outta the box (new). I have no need for a progressive, so I don't have an opinion/experience there...
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No tweaking at all on my Forster Co-Ax. Nada.
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