Du Pont "Bulk" and "Hi Skor" powders...?

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What are these old powders equivalent to today?

Isn't "Bulk" the same as PB and "Hi-Skor" the same as 700-X?

If I don't know, I have no idea on where or how to use these newly acquired unopened cans. :D
 
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From what I can find, Dupont "Bulk Smokeless" dates from the 1940's and 1950's and is a dram equivalent to black powder. I wouldn't use it based on that info, I'd want to see published data first (from someone who didn't blow himself up).
 
PB is a current powder still made by IMR. Here's some "Hi-Skor" loads.

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Hi-Skor was discontinued in 1966.

More than likely, Phil Sharpe's book The Complete Guide to Handloading" will have some information on "bulk powder", but I'd have to look some to find out what it is and how to use it.
 
OK, DuPont Bulk Shotgun Powder was introduced in 1893 and was still in production in 1948. It isn't a true bulk for bulk powder, but it's close to it. It's very hygroscopic, as the bulk powders tended to be. The appearance is sorta egg shaped, but the granules are irregular in size. The bulk powders were noted for being friable, which produces a lot of dust. The dust should be removed prior to use, since the burning rate is affected by the dust.

Bulk powder is a form, not just because it can be loaded bulk for bulk, with some being shotgun powders and others being SR #1 through SR #80. There aren't any bulk powders still in production, with all being dense powders now.

Most of this information was distilled from page 159 of the Sharpe manual.
 
Currently there are two HiSkor powders in the IMR line - HS-700X and HS-800X. I have used HS-700X in both 45 ACP and shotgun loads. It is an excellent performed although not as clean burning as more recent developments. It meters very well in my MEC shotgun loaders and my Dillon 550.

HS-800X is a horse of another color with impresive published ballistics in 20 & 28 ga shotgun as well as many pistol calibers. I made the mistage of purchasing a 20 lb. keg many years ago against the advice of the shop owner who stated it did not meter uniformly. That was a classic understatement - the first and only time I ever experienced squibbs in reloading a shotshell. It took a long time to use up that keg.
 
Here's a picture of DuPont Bulk Shotgun powder.

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I have some DuPont Pistol #6 (a multi-based powder), but haven't tried it yet.
 
My first post in this forum (here we go)

Hi!
I am from Uruguay and I am doing a research about HI-SKOR powder because a friend have some pounds of an unbranded powder. Some people say that his powder is Hi-Skor 700 but no one can prove it.
I think that it could be the first HI-SKOR made by dupont (prior IMR HI-SKOR 700X).
I wrote to Mike Daly (Hodgdon Customer Satisfaction Manager) about this problem and he said that:

"In 1962 a powder called "Hi Skor" that was brought out by DuPont. It was the first of the double based, fast burning . flake type powders for shotshell to be made by DuPont. It is the parent of Hi Skor 700X. At about 1964, Hi Skor became Hi Skor 700X with only minor changes in burn speed to the powder."

I took some photos to this powder and sent them to him, but he could not tell me what powder is. Then I asked him if he could tell me what it isn't, I mean, if he can tell me if it isn´t Hi Skor 700 nor 800.

Maybe someone here could look these pictures and tell me if this powder looks as HI-SKOR or HI-SKOR 700:

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It is safe to say you can't identify a powder by looks! Hercules Lightning #1 was a perforated disc and so was Hercules Sharpshooter #1 . Early Herco may have been a perforated disc, but it isn't now. Lately, Trail Boss typifies the perforated disc, but we know what you have probably isn't TB. 700X and 800X aren't perforated discs, so it isn't either one of those.

Still, you can determine what it is like in burning rate. If you load it like it is the fastest burning powder, there is no way it can be an overload, but it may not perform very well either. If you get velocities similar to Bullseye loads, you can use Bullseye data, even though you don't know what it really is. If you don't get close to 880 fps with a 158 gr LSWC in .38 Special using 3.5 gr, move up to Red Dot loads and try again. If a 4.2 gr Red Dot load with that same 158 gr bullet doesn't produce close to 930 fps, try a slower powder's loads. If the Red Dot load is over 930 fps, you have to drop back to a faster powder.

You'll probably have to check each caliber being loaded with this method, since powders act differently at different load densities.

It isn't very scientific, but at least you can make use of the powder, especially if it's hard to get powder where you are.

You might want to check these loads for comparison's sake.
http://www.bbhfarm.com/gallery/album10/aal?full=1
 
Dear Paul5388:

I agree with you that no one can't be absolutely sure just by looking at the appearance of a powder, but with some additional information I could reduce the risk to almost zero.
For example, those powders you are mentioning do not exist in Uruguay, and as I said to Mike Daly, I can know what powder is, knowing which powder isn't.

Your identification system using a burning speed table is very interesting. So far nobody in our forum had explained that way of use it, and even recently someone asked about the utility of those "burning speed tables" when the manufacturers always recommend and warn us about not using them them to develop a load.

About the site you recommend, thank you very much. It's great to have such old reloading manuals with old powder recipes because in Uruguay we are using old lots of powder. Some of them are 30 to 40 years old. Some even more.

Thanks again and regards.
 
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