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Old 03-07-2010, 10:09 PM
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I heard today from a Car guy that they are trying to eliminate Lead wheelweights. He said they are claiming kids are walking on the interstates picking them up thinking they are candy and trying to eat them.
Sounds unlikely to me,

But has anyone heard about any plans to eliminate Lead wheelweights and when?
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Old 03-07-2010, 10:13 PM
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Done deal here in California.

I'm collecting all the buckets full I can.

Can't take away your guns, go for the ammo.

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Old 03-07-2010, 10:14 PM
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It's been in the works for a while now. The switch to some other more enviorn-friendly material was needed 'cause the green heads got enough people convinced that the small lead weights fall off the tires and lay on road ways and leach lead into the water systems when it rains among other arguments.

Haven't heard about the lead candy thing but I would be surprised at that line of thought either.
I guess to some people they look just like a Snicker Bar w/a steel clip moulded into it and a normal person would eat one of those that you find lying on the ground by the road.
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I heard today from a Car guy that they are trying to eliminate Lead wheelweights. He said they are claiming kids are walking on the interstates picking them up thinking they are candy and trying to eat them.
Sounds unlikely to me,

But has anyone heard about any plans to eliminate Lead wheelweights and when?
California banned lead wheel weights and, since they use so many, manufacturers have started making wheel weights out of zinc and steel and who knows what else. So, we all get to have them. At least the children grazing the roadside will be safe, now.

My yield of lead wheel weights in a 5 gallon bucket has decreased dramatically in the last year and I live in the sticks a long way from California.

Idiots.

From now one, I'm buying toys made in China and melting them down.
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Apparently there is some truth in this. According to what I have read, new cars will start being delivered with zinc or steel ww's beginning in 2011. I think ww's will be around for a long time. Besides, if they can no longer sell lead ww's, what will they do with the lead? Might become a cheap commodity.
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At least the children grazing the roadside will be safe, now...
... and they'll get plenty of zinc in their diet.
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Old 03-07-2010, 10:38 PM
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Of course all lead shot and sinkers will have to be eliminated step by step.
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That's probably why I can never get my truck tires balanced worth a darn.

My wife did ask me to get the lead out once, so I emptied a magazine in the garage. I got the feeling that that's not what she meant....
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Lead wheel weights are being phased out here also. Lead sinkers are allready illegal.
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I admit I am not the brightest crayon in the box. Oil, lead, mercury, and all other minerals come out of the ground. Metorites come from the sky. Does that mean metorites cause all the groundwater pollution in California? Does Saudi Arabia have a big problem with hydrocarbon pollution in its ground water?

Seriously, help me I'm confused about this pollution thing. Where's Algor when you really need him? I've got to start melting the 600 # of scrap range lead in the back yard for cast boolits.
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I hope those kids don't pick up and eat a "Tootsie Roll" they see laying on the ground near a dog run.

What will we do with all the lead after the ban starts? Ship it to China so they can put it in children's toys of course.
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Seriously, help me I'm confused about this pollution thing.

I'd be glad to. The whole thing is a crock of *****. Lead doesn't pose near the threat to mankind as do the Politicians, environmentalists and liberal do-gooders. Some of these fools need to start munching on lead wheelweights instead of the locoweed or whatever it is they use for "brain food".
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I'd be glad to. The whole thing is a crock of *****. Lead doesn't pose near the threat to mankind as do the Politicians, environmentalists and liberal do-gooders. Some of these fools need to start munching on lead wheelweights instead of the locoweed or whatever it is they use for "brain food".
Amen to that, more pseudoscience parading as fact. Here in very dry NM, my 1100 member firearms club has to set aside a very considerable amount of money for lead remediation should the loser politicans or real estate developers close us down. That lead sitting in sand berms isn't going to hurt anyone unless they build a day care center on top of it and let unattended infants play in the sand.

Now we'll probably get to pay for expensive stainless steel wheel weights. Don
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Kids are walking on the interstates picking them up thinking they are candy and trying to eat them.
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Amen to that, more pseudoscience parading as fact. Here in very dry NM, my 1100 member firearms club has to set aside a very considerable amount of money for lead remediation should the loser politicans or real estate developers close us down. That lead sitting in sand berms isn't going to hurt anyone unless they build a day care center on top of it and let unattended infants play in the sand.

Now we'll probably get to pay for expensive stainless steel wheel weights. Don
you are kidding about the money for remediation right?
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The main environmental harm that comes from lead is all the lead byproducts left after mining. The second is with the improper use of lead products. I consider myself an environmentalist but the lead issue is overblown. California has banned so many items that some companies have just given up and moved out of state. To prevent California communist from controlling me I have done several things. I bought sinker molds to make my own sinkers. A couple of friends and I spilt the cost of several tons of lead and wheel weights.
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Here in Idaho, a major tire store changed the first of the year..I am sure the rest will follow. Luckily I have at least a ton smelted now and a 55 gal drum full in waiting. I am still getting about a 5 gal
bucket a week with about 30 percent steel for free.
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Oh yeah, zink is da new lead. Unless I am mistaken lead in solid form such as a wheel weight or bullet is reletivly inert in the enviroment. It will oxidize on the surface and will not leach or otherwise move around in its enviroment. Sounds like more hysterical greenies than fact.
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Oh yeah, zink is da new lead. Unless I am mistaken lead in solid form such as a wheel weight or bullet is reletivly inert in the enviroment. It will oxidize on the surface and will not leach or otherwise move around in its enviroment. Sounds like more hysterical greenies than fact.
Well that is exactly what it is. If you have a source for WW, start hoarding. The ban will hit your state sooner than later. Lead ww have been banned in Europe for 6-7yrs. Once the major chain stores have to buy for Kalif or Maine, ORegon, etc. they'll not buy two diff types for all of their stores. The cahnge is coming sooner than later. I only have about 450# of ww left, maybe abother 600# in ingot form. I am still scrounging.
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What will we do without lead wheelweights.

Maybe I should get a mold made to cast them
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I'd be glad to. The whole thing is a crock of *****. Lead doesn't pose near the threat to mankind as do the Politicians, environmentalists and liberal do-gooders. Some of these fools need to start munching on lead wheelweights instead of the locoweed or whatever it is they use for "brain food".
Well put.
I gave up turning wrenches 4 years ago. I still get free ww's from my buddies who work at new car dealerships but most of the 5 gallon bucket is zinc and steel. These days, half the bucket is unusable. Yes, the days of lead ww's are numbered. I now stick to heavy truck shops. They still seem to have lead ww's in quantity.
I am no fisherman, but I am pretty sure lead sinkers are now illegal in the Great Lakes.
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WHat is the best way to tell is a wheel weight is zinc?

When I am melting wheel weights to make ingots, I use my turkey cooker (I bought a new one for the deep frying) and a foundry metal pot with a 2 foot handle, it will hold 20 pounds of melted lead.
When I am melting the clips and some weights float to the top, I am assuming they are steel or zinc. I haven't been being very careful about the melt tempurature.

I have about 200#'s of raw wheel weights now, and 80# of ingots
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Keep your pot right @ 700F andthe zinc won't melt.

Another way to distinguish is, assuming you have a cement floor, drop them.

The lead will thud and the zinc will ting.
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I will do both!
I have a dirt floor in my shed where I cast, but I will put a couple cement blocks there
But the easier solution seems to be your recommendation of the tempurature
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you are kidding about the money for remediation right?
I wish I were White Cloud. I think the club has something like $50,000 set aside to have the top surfaces of the berms removed and screened to catch all the nasty lead slugs and remove them. Stupid bureaucrats. Don
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Seems that while wandering about on an Interstate Highway lead poisoning would be way down the list on things that will kill you...
I don't think that getting rid of wheel weights will solve the basic problem here.
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I went to 4 different places today to try to get scrap lead, 3 said they have to sell to a rcycling company the other, someone beat me to it
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Hey why is everyone so hyped up about the lead wheel weight issue? we should all be environmentalists and start demanding the ammo manufacturers stop using lead and only produce copper jacketed steel core armor piercing ammo for the civilian market. We also need to petition congress to lift the ban on steel core ammo to the civilian market in the US due to the environmental impact of lead used in bullets. Or better yet, since we don’t seem to have a problem with the use of depleted uranium shells being launched all over Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel, maybe we can start using depleted uranium bullets in our every day firearms. Apparently that’s not a bio-hazard.
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Is depeted uranium still uranium? Can you cast it in your regular furnace?

There is one other way...
Mayco is over in Alabama, and will deliver up here in quantities of 2000 pounds or more- virgin lead.
Just get a few friends at your club and split a couple or more tons.

Makes great weights for your safe, too!
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The ones I've found so far have been marked ZN and are a different color.
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I remember reading in a gun magazine many years ago about casting zinc bullets.
IIRC, those bullets shot well and the penetration was exceptional.

The cost to produce would be much higher with the heat needed to melt the stuff..not to mention the hazards involved.

Gotta' think of some use for all those zinc weights that will be available soon at the tire shops and roadways. We wouldn't want the kids eating them.

Would solid zinc bullets be considered armor-piercing (in a handgun) under todays regs?
The magazine article I recall was written way before the hysteria & regulations over the subject.
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